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Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:58 PM

Unfortunately, there has to be a good number of Democrats out there hoping that Trumpcare

passes not only this Thursday but also eventually by the Senate in the near future. With 24 million about to lose coverage, and a large portion of those twenty four million coming from Red States, the Democrats will have a strong unifying theme for 2020

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Reply Unfortunately, there has to be a good number of Democrats out there hoping that Trumpcare (Original post)
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Response to archives (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:02 PM

1. No one

is going to lose coverage, Drama.

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Response to Countingman (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:10 PM

4. Yep

That number is a CBO estimate over 10 years.

Two major components, once the individual mandate goes away, people voluntarily dropping their policies. And the freezing of medicaid federal funds in 2020.

Contrary to what Howard Dean has been saying, if this passes 14m people aren't going to be thrown off their health care insurance, or medicaid starting 1 Jan 2018.

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Response to Countingman (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:12 PM

5. Ain't what the CBO said, and back in 2009 Republicans loved the CBO

hell, the head of the CBO was appointed by Price when he was in Congress

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Response to archives (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:03 PM

2. since it will pass we have to hope it works

the people are more important than political advantage

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Response to rampartb (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:07 PM

3. I'm skeptical of it.

It seems like nothing more than ObamaCare Lite and that won't be very helpful.

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Response to Countingman (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:12 PM

7. Tell us what would "be helpful"

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Response to rampartb (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:14 PM

8. Well said.

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Response to Konservative (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:16 PM

9. i said the same of the aca. you?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:07 PM

15. I don't want any Fed anything.

Trump, Reagan, Bush, Washington. I don't care who is offering it. It's not the taxpayers job.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:19 PM

12. I completely agree!

Many of the issues this country faces aren't solved because people are more interested in political advantage than solving the problem.

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Response to archives (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:12 PM

6. 24 million in 10 years, not "about to lose coverage."

Also, a good percentage of those will drop coverage, not "about to lose coverage."

Also, millions of us effectively lost our coverage under BOcare, probably more than those who gained coverage.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:17 PM

11. With the trend starting as soon as the act goes into effect,

and your last point isn't valid, more Americans not only gained coverage, but better coverage

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Response to archives (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:22 PM

14. Millions lost use of their coverage and had to pay more for it.

My premiums tripled, and I haven't gotten a dollar from my insurance for two years because of the deductibles also tripling. I been effectively uninsured for the past two years. That's why I no longer have insurance. I get charged less for services if I'm not insured. So it's a win, win, win. No premiums, lower costs, an I get to stick it to dumbass.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:56 AM

17. 18 million of whom will lose coverage in year one. nt

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:50 AM

18. Like I said, many by choice.

And what about the millions like me who lost coverage under dumbass? I guess we don't count.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:15 AM

19. You're uninsured?

If not... no, you don't count.

Many of those who will lose coverage next year are 64 year olds who won't be able to afford 14,000 a year premiums - over half their gross income.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:59 AM

21. I got to pay three times as much for insurance that I couldn't use.

And because I had insurance, providers charged me more for services. Isn't that special? And I am among the millions of under-insured that aren't accounted for in the statistics.

So, yes, BO basically took away my insurance, except for something catastrophic for which a much smaller portion would have been covered.

I no longer have traditional insurance. I had to go to a health share program where I self-pay and get reimbursed. Because I'm self pay I get charged lower rates. The premiums are about half of what I'd pay for insurance, and I have a $1500 family deductible. So, fuck you, Obama and your "Affordable" health care that average Americans can't afford, let alone use.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:57 PM

23. No one is charged more for services because they are insured.

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Quite the opposite. Hospitals gouge the uninsured.

Does the self pay clinic have a cardiac surgeon on staff? An oncologist? A brain surgeon?

If not, you still need the insurance to cover your care if two aspirin and a bandaid won't take care of the problem.

Even catastrophic coverage protects us from bankruptcy.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:50 PM

24. Nope, you're flat wrong.

Providers charge more once they learn that you are insured. What's more is that different insurance companies charge different prices. It's all negotiated.

As an example, I went to see a podiatrist last week and they were going to charge $120 until I said I was self-pay, then the charge was magically $90.

There is no such thing as a "self-pay clinic." I just find a provider who accepts self-pay patients.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 04:59 PM

26. That is the opposite of my experience.

Every medical bill I receive lists the cost of care followed by a (usually substantial) reduction labeled "insurance write-off". I've had private insurance for decades, and it has always been this way.

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Response to Scratch (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 05:02 PM

27. Well yes, your insurance often pays a portion, but it's on an increased charge to begin with.

So your insurance may pay $20 of a $120 charge, but if you're self-pay you might only be charged $90. That won't show up on your EOB, so you'd never know that.

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Response to bfox74 (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:31 PM

29. I'm looking at a recent bill for blood work.

The charge was for $322. The insurance adjustment knocked that down by $177. (That's a considerably larger percentage than the one in your hypothetical example.) The insurance itself paid $125. I was on the hook for a $20 co-pay.
I have no complaints.

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Response to archives (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:16 PM

10. Among the politicians and party core I'm sure there are

Among the Democratic politicians and party core I'm sure there are some that hope the bill passes.

I'm also sure that there are Republican politicians and party core that are hoping it fails for exactly the same reason. The Republicans are going to have a big problem if it does pass. There will be some short term pain among the hard right if it doesn't pass but that is mostly a small and passing problem because they can blame Democrats for the bill failing.

Even if it does pass and turn out to be successful in the long run, which is highly doubtful on both counts, the sort term effect will be people paying more for insurance and a lot of people dropped off entirely. Like Obamacare and any other big change there will be a short term shock as the market adjusts to the new system and the problems will get a lot more coverage then the successes.

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Response to JJ667 (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:20 PM

13. Fact of the matter is that health care will never be resolved in a partisan political arena

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Response to archives (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:15 AM

16. Democrats don't hope for anyone to die or get sick without

treatment. That is the difference between the GOP and us. Why Paul Ryan even admitted he had been dreaming of making middle class lives much worse since his days at kegger parties.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 12:06 PM

22. Unreal

You actually believe that the GOP hopes people die and get sick.

Now I know how much value to place on a future posts by you.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 04:21 PM

25. Truth hurts.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 05:13 PM

28. It does but you will get over it.

Hopefully as you mature you will gain the wisdom to control your small minded bigotry instead of your bigotry controlling you.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:45 PM

30. Paul Ryan and the GOP cannot kill people fast enough. Makes it obvious

GOP wants the rich to live forever and the poor to die asap. If Healthcare is too expensive why not stop government research into cancer, altzheimers', heart disease and Parkinson's? Why? Because the 1% want to live to be 145 years old so all those things need to be studied to keep them alive as long as science will allow. So it is not the extention of life that is a problem.It is how health care is doled out in the rest of the west that terrorizes the GOP. Why Medicaid is going to be a block grant. Soon medicare will be too. GOP policy is all about making room for the 1% to live almost forever. Will your 145 year old wife be joining you?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #30)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:57 PM

31. It is going to take a long time

Be patient. Wisdom will eventually displace your bigotry. It will just take a little longer for you than others.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #31)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:02 PM

32. Calling me a bigot. Stereotyping: a favourite tool of those

who practice the dark arts.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:14 PM

33. I am too much of a mudblood for the dark arts

I find it amusing that you characterized my posts as "stereotyping". Now re-read your posts and get back to me about that stereotyping

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:21 PM

34. "Stereotyping" is a way to get people to reaction formate.

But then you knew that.

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:25 PM

35. You have provided several perfect examples in this thread alone.

Practically text book.

Tell me how the GOP wants to pollute the air and poison our water.

If you do a good job I will provide you with a Capt. Planet badge.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:34 PM

36. Well they do want to undo the environmental regulations.

Another way to kill people and make sure only those with access to very expensive Healthcare, and access to a national commitment to advanced medical research, survive till they are 145. You never answered my question. Will your wives be allowed to survive to 145?

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Response to gowiththrottleup (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:43 PM

37. You flatter me

I only have 1 wife. Neither of us will live to be 145.

I also must point out that your stereotyping has led you astray.

I am not a Republican. I can see why you would think that since I disagreed with your rediculous characterization.

Stereotyping has failed you.

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Response to archives (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:21 AM

20. I'm working hard to prevent ACA repeal

The hardship it will bring to people for tax cuts for a few hundred billionaires is unconscionable.

But if it happens anyway, I'll make the best of it and hang the corpses of each victim around Republicans necks.

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