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Wed May 21, 2014, 03:41 PM

Funny thing about abortions. The bible not only condones it, it's actually PRO-ABORTION

As in "have more!"

"Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Hosea 9:11-16

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” Numbers 31:17

And of course there's the goofy ritual in Numbers 5:11-27

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
5:12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
5:13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
5:14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: (5:14) "And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him ... and she be not defiled:"
5:15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. (5:15) "Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest,"
5:16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD: (5:16) "The priest shall ... set her before the LORD."
5:17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
5:18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: (5:18) "And the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse."
5:19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: (5:19) "And the priest shall ... say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee ... be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse."
(5:20) "But if ... some man have lain with thee beside thine husband,"

(5:21) "The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell."

(5:22) "And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen."

5:20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
5:21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
5:22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
5:23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
5:24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. (5:24) "And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse."
5:25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
5:26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. (5:27) "When he hath made her to drink the water ... if she be defiled ... the water that causeth the curse shall ... become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people."
Is magic OK?
What the Bible says about magic
(5:28) "If the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed."

(5:29) "This is the law of jealousies,"

(5:30) "When the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law."

5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people."

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Reply Funny thing about abortions. The bible not only condones it, it's actually PRO-ABORTION (Original post)
JasonTaverner May 2014 OP
Commipinko May 2014 #1
Grebbid May 2014 #2
JasonTaverner May 2014 #3
JayVeeNYC May 2014 #4
blue May 2014 #5
Commipinko May 2014 #6
blue May 2014 #8
Commipinko May 2014 #11
blue May 2014 #13
Commipinko May 2014 #17
blue May 2014 #20
Commipinko May 2014 #28
mindwalker_2pi May 2014 #29
Commipinko May 2014 #30
Cliqueclaque May 2014 #7
blue May 2014 #10
Cliqueclaque May 2014 #14
feafeafea May 2014 #15
blue May 2014 #22
feafeafea May 2014 #24
pieceofpi May 2014 #31
blue May 2014 #32
pieceofpi May 2014 #33
blue May 2014 #34
pieceofpi May 2014 #39
blue May 2014 #40
pieceofpi May 2014 #41
Dexter Morgan May 2014 #16
Cliqueclaque May 2014 #19
feafeafea May 2014 #26
JayVeeNYC May 2014 #9
blue May 2014 #12
JayVeeNYC May 2014 #18
blue May 2014 #23
JasonTaverner May 2014 #21
blue May 2014 #25
JasonTaverner May 2014 #27
island4diver May 2014 #35
JasonTaverner May 2014 #36
island4diver May 2014 #37
JoePolitics May 2014 #38
Letmypeoplevote May 2014 #42
JasonTaverner May 2014 #43
LeeCPTINF May 2014 #44

Response to JasonTaverner (Original post)

Wed May 21, 2014, 03:49 PM

1. You can't make that crap up!

 

Really, If you did, you'd be laughed off the planet.

Fun stuff

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Response to JasonTaverner (Original post)

Wed May 21, 2014, 03:50 PM

2. The bible is pro-alotofstupidsh*t

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Response to Grebbid (Reply #2)

Wed May 21, 2014, 03:51 PM

3. LOL - yes, there is that.

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Response to JasonTaverner (Original post)

Wed May 21, 2014, 03:52 PM

4. Oof. 5:18 is an actual abortion recipe.

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Response to blue (Reply #5)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:09 PM

6. Can you believe it if you've not read it?

 

If You've read it , how can you believe it?

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Response to blue (Reply #8)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:22 PM

11. Ok, I'll put you down for, No, and You can't.

 

Thanks.

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Response to blue (Reply #13)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:28 PM

17. How, exactly doe excerpts from the bible constitute a slam to your belief?

 

It's your holy book, right?

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Response to blue (Reply #20)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:51 PM

28. No, the are cited excerpts of the bible, left in context.

 

Try again, this time think.

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Response to Commipinko (Reply #28)

Wed May 21, 2014, 05:13 PM

29. Sorry, I kind of agree with blue in this case

You are showing inconsistencies between two beliefs of a certain group. I don't see the point of it other than to cause friction.

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Response to mindwalker_2pi (Reply #29)

Wed May 21, 2014, 05:16 PM

30. One needs friction to move things.

 

Think, "clutch".

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Response to blue (Reply #5)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:18 PM

7. A lot of people use Biblical arguments for being against abortion..

Why is it bad to point out that the Biblical message on abortion is mixed at best?

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Response to blue (Reply #10)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:27 PM

14. Scriptural argument are basically worthless because you can make scripture say anything

However even the Devil can quote scripture.

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Response to blue (Reply #10)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:28 PM

15. You say picking and choosing what parts of the bible to believe is good?

If you believe the bible, which says abortion is ok, and you think abortion is wrong, "more power to ya"?

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Response to blue (Reply #22)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:43 PM

24. Since it says abortion is not wrong, you are picking and choosing vs believing

"If you believe in it, and you think it says abortion is wrong, more power to ya."

Since it says abortion is not wrong, then picking and choosing what parts of the bible to believe is "more power to ya" according to what you write.

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Response to blue (Reply #10)

Wed May 21, 2014, 05:28 PM

31. If one uses the Bible to try to legislate others' bodies & lives

then why shouldn't others' site the same source in rebuttal? Sounds like you want it both ways.

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Response to blue (Reply #32)

Wed May 21, 2014, 06:16 PM

33. Good grief.



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Response to blue (Reply #34)

Thu May 22, 2014, 12:25 AM

39. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Good grief.





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Response to blue (Reply #40)

Fri May 23, 2014, 10:49 AM

41. Not an insult, just a brush off.



You won't change my mind. I won't change yours. I have better things to do with my time & you do too.

Have a lovely weekend!

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Response to Cliqueclaque (Reply #7)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:28 PM

16. Really..Not religous ,against abortion cause i don't believe in killing defenceless babies...

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #16)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:34 PM

19. I'm not pro abortion, I'm pro-choice

One of my major reasons for being pro choice is that the law will only impede the ability of poor or middle class women to get an abortion if they want it, the wealthy women will just fly somewhere abortion is available or they will have a "procedure" at their private physician's office.

If we made the elites play by the same rules as the rest of us things would be a lot different in this country.

Not a fan of hypocrisy which is why neither party particularly speaks to me.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #16)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:44 PM

26. You believe in only killing babies with good "defences"?

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Response to blue (Reply #5)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:19 PM

9. "Gods creation", but you're ok with

Destroying the Earth and environment?

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Response to blue (Reply #12)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:31 PM

18. Do you support strong environmental regulations,

Alternative energy, heavy fines on polluters, scrapping oil subsidies?

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Response to blue (Reply #5)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:34 PM

21. No - I am merely saying I can cherry pick verses with the best of them

In all truth I am an atheist who was at different times an Evangelical Christian, a Methodist, a Unitarian, a Buddhist and a Taoist.

I do not have a problem with Christianity in so far as it does not mix in my government.

I promise I will never tell you which gods to believe, or not believe in as long as you don't try to pass laws favoring religion or legislating from scripture.

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Response to blue (Reply #25)

Wed May 21, 2014, 04:48 PM

27. Agreed

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Response to JasonTaverner (Original post)

Wed May 21, 2014, 09:23 PM

35. you are assuming that people oppose abortion because of the Bible.

and only do so because of religious fundamentalism. What about a secular libertarian who believes that abortion violates the non aggression principle? What about Democrats for life? Your point has nothing to do with many if not most abortion opponents.
You really need to research the differing opinions on it beyond the historical revisionism and race baiting political operation that is MSNBC. The Bible does not condemn slavery either, but the "Bible thumpers", especially the Baptists (other than the break off SBC) and Quakers were a major part of the abolition movement.
First off, it is a bio ethical question: When does life begin? When is that human life a person? Roe v Wade currently defines it as when the fetus is viable enough to survive on its own. Medical technology moved the goal posts. Do I agree with the "at conception"? Not really. Do I agree with the extremists at the other end who define it as at birth ( or in come cases even after.) No.

Why is it easier to find an MD that will perform an abortion on a human but impossible to find a DMV that will do one on a cat or a dog?
If someone causes a miscarriage in commission of a felony, should they be charged with felony murder or manslaughter, which is the case in some states even if the woman was on her way to have it aborted?
And, what about this guy who is up for first degree murder? Had the girlfriend done it, it would be a non issue.

Do these passages say abortion is OK, not OK, make any judgement at all? Do you even know?

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Response to island4diver (Reply #35)

Wed May 21, 2014, 10:59 PM

36. If that is what you think, then fine - think that

But you know the majority of anti-choicers are religiously motivated

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Response to JasonTaverner (Reply #36)

Wed May 21, 2014, 11:21 PM

37. No I don't know that.

Even if true, so what?

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Response to JasonTaverner (Original post)

Wed May 21, 2014, 11:23 PM

38. Republicans are dropping the bible attacks on abortion because tbdy don't work.

It's like how creationists invented "Intellegent design". The biblical arguments were losing, so they camouflage it.

Same happens now with abortion and gay marriage.

They'll claim religion is not part of it. I don't buy it.

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Response to JasonTaverner (Original post)

Fri May 23, 2014, 06:34 PM

42. Here is some material from a good Jewish site on the Jewish view on abortion

http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm

Abortion

Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion. Where the mother's life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child, abortion is mandatory.

An unborn child has the status of "potential human life" until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother's, because you cannot choose between one human life and another.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #42)

Fri May 23, 2014, 07:30 PM

43. +100

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Response to JasonTaverner (Original post)

Fri May 23, 2014, 09:43 PM

44. I don't base my morality on ancient bronze age mythology

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