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Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:30 PM

A question for the left wing of this board

I admit that gun violence is running wild in the inner cities of America! I want to put an end to this!

Can we agree that the commission of a felony with a firearm should be an automatic death penalty case?

Also we need to set up a totally seperate court system to only handle gun crimes and nothing else. This way we can give due legal recourse to the defendant and if guilty make sure they are executed in the shortest time possible.

Can we agree on this common sense solution to gun crime? It would seem in the best intrest of all of us to get rid of the bad actors.

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Red Bull Mar 15 OP
StateUsernameHere Mar 15 #1
Red Bull Mar 15 #4
StateUsernameHere Mar 15 #5
Red Bull Mar 15 #8
StateUsernameHere Mar 15 #11
Red Bull Mar 15 #12
StateUsernameHere Mar 16 #13
Red Bull Mar 16 #15
StateUsernameHere Mar 16 #16
Red Bull Mar 16 #17
StateUsernameHere Mar 16 #18
Red Bull Mar 16 #19
StateUsernameHere Mar 16 #20
Red Bull Mar 16 #22
StateUsernameHere Mar 16 #23
oldenuff35 Mar 15 #9
StateUsernameHere Mar 15 #10
oldenuff35 Mar 16 #14
DoDaMan Mar 16 #21
i verglas Mar 16 #26
AZ0 Mar 16 #33
MumblyPeg Mar 15 #2
ProgressiveTaxation Mar 15 #3
MumblyPeg Mar 15 #6
Red Bull Mar 15 #7
Trevor Mar 16 #35
Scary Red Mar 16 #24
Phlegm Monger Mar 16 #25
Carlos_Danger Mar 16 #27
saspamco Mar 16 #28
Juan Rico Mar 16 #31
Phlegm Monger Mar 17 #36
liberalguy Mar 16 #29
Tovera Mar 16 #30
Phlegm Monger Mar 17 #37
AZ0 Mar 16 #32
Argentina Mar 16 #34

Response to Red Bull (Original post)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:31 PM

1. No we can not agree on that.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:39 PM

4. Why not?

You want to restrict me and take what I havery but ignore the only problem their is.

If you commit a felony with a gun then we punch you out! If we make a seperate court system for this then we can dispense with all of the bad actors in very short time making life safe for their neighbors.

Other than loosing the gun issue that you already have why would you want these people shooting up inner city or any neighborhoods if not just for political gain?

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:41 PM

5. I am not restricting you and I am not taking what you have.

Last edited Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:35 AM - Edit history (1)

And I think the death penalty is wrong.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:46 PM

8. My point is

If you commit a certain crime and know if convicted you are say 90 days from execution then that has a bigger impact than maybe 20 or 30 years, do you agree?

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:51 PM

11. The death penalty is wrong IMHO so no I don't agree.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:59 PM

12. Ok!! I will meet you in the middle

Would you agree to all that I propose if we make the first offense mandatory life without parole? I will even gladly submit to the taxes it will take to create a huge and well funded prison system and as many prisons as needed!

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:01 AM

13. I leary of putting in mandatory sentences.

That doesn't mean I believe in lenient sentences but mandatory sentences are not always the answer.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:05 AM

15. So for you the answer is

Not death or life on prison for these animals shooting up people and the neighborhood. So what do you propose other than restrictions on me and firearms??

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:08 AM

16. I am not against life.

It depends on what crime was done.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:09 AM

17. Ok! We are making progress

What about gun crimes?

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:12 AM

18. If it involves premeditated murder I would say yes to life imprisonment.

If it involves wounding someone I would not necessarily be against life imprisonment. I suppose it would depend on the situation.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:23 AM

19. I see where you are coming from

So how do we deal with the bad actors who are armed and robbing and just committing other gun crimes?

The penalty has to be sure, Swift and hard! This way they do not want to repeat the mistake and all their friends have to learn from their punishment. I am open to your opinion.

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:30 AM

20. You can add more years to their sentence.

I am not looking to be lenient with them, but I just don't believe in the death penalty. This doesn't mean I don't at times question my beliefs or stop myself​from thinking that someone deserves capital punishment.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:33 AM

22. I am not suggesting

At all that you want to be lenient!

What i am asking is look at it from my perspective. We always here from the left if we take your guns or restrict you then these maniacs in say Chicago will be under control.

They say that the reason gun crime is so bad is because around these major cities guns a easily accessible. But fail to mention the crime rate where those guns are available is very low.

So many on the left want to restrict us because of a bunch of bad actors that nobody wants to bring the hammer down on, see my frustration?

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:34 AM

23. Ok.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:46 PM

9. Oh, you mean you are worried about that 3% who commit 53% of our gun crimes???

But don't give a rats ass about the victims or the rest of the country???

Do you want to discuss the true and provable numeric facts of this???

Do you want to discuss where this is happening, who is doing it, and who has governed these areas over the last 5 plus decades?

Or would you rather continue the lie that our gun violence problem is somehow the fault of white conservatives?

Step right up and have this discussion.... But we use facts, provable facts....

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:50 PM

10. You seem nice.

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Response to StateUsernameHere (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:04 AM

14. Well educated, and knowledgable on this subject as well.

I like facts, true provable facts.

When it comes to the gun violence problem in our nation the FBI data base, published online with 22 years of complete data, is very specific about Who is doing the gun crimes, Where violent gun crimes are happening, When incidents of gun violence happen, the Sex of the offender, the Race of the trigger pullers, and how Old they are.

This data is consistent in its findings from beginning to end,over the last 22 years.

This provable information also clearly demonstrates a direct connection to the overall numbers of gun deaths in our nation consistently declining in direct proportion to the increased number of CCW permits issued in our nation.

Facts, provable truth and facts, are hard things for the anti gun zealots to deal with in the gun control argument.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 12:30 AM

21. They sure ignore the science and data that shows them what the true problem is....

this isn't global warming so the numbers are lies to them.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 04:36 AM

26. well-educated, knowledgeable: so you say

Honest? We'll be the judge.

that 3% who commit 53% of our gun crimes


FALSE.

100% false.

http://www.discussionist.com/1014331209#post44

But you'll be saying it with your dying breath, I expect.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:07 PM

33. You are a Canadian rehashing bullshit

but I am sure you will be spewing bullshit to your dying breath. I have a question for you. Since you are a Canadian living an utopian life, why in the fuck do you care about what happens here in the USA? I think you foreigners born under the realm of crowned royalty just don't understand what it means to be born free...


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Response to Red Bull (Original post)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:32 PM

2. hehe...

I already know where this is headed

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:38 PM

3. "headed"...

to the SCOTUS to be summarily rejected.

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Response to ProgressiveTaxation (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:43 PM

6. so tell us why

you would oppose it then.
It eliminates at least 99% of all your complaints about guns.

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Response to ProgressiveTaxation (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 15, 2017, 11:43 PM

7. As Scalia said

Executing a minor in 1796 was not unconstitutional and is not today. It is left up to the states to decide that issue.

With the dawn of a new Supreme Court on the horizon i think it may very well pass muster.

Edit: He was talking about a minor convicted of murder. But he also said in other decisions that execution is a states issue to do with as they see fit.

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:30 PM

35. The Constitution prohibits

cruel and unusual punishment. What is unusual has changed since 1796.

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Response to Red Bull (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:53 AM

24. Not that common sensical...

Criminal law is complex enough as it is, and most jurisdictions already increase penalties when a firearm is used. "With a deadly weapon" doesn't limit you to guns. And setting up a new, separate court system when we can't fill the judgeships we have is not such a hot idea.

The death penalty is on its way out. At this point, 31 states still have it, but several of those don't execute anyone. More and more it's seen as a waste of money and court time, and it is not evenly applied. And, would this mean death for someone who holds up someone at gunpoint, but not necessarily for someone who beats you senseless with a baseball bat?

Besides, how many criminals thought they were going to get caught? Heavy penalties can deter, but obviously not enough.



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Response to Red Bull (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 03:02 AM

25. The Death Penalty has no place in a civilized society.

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Response to Phlegm Monger (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:53 AM

27. Civility is subjective...

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Response to Carlos_Danger (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:34 AM

28. More and more so, every day.

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Response to Phlegm Monger (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 02:41 PM

31. I think letting a mass murderer live for fifty years after committing an atrocity is uncivilized.

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Response to Juan Rico (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 04:37 AM

36. I get that others disagree.

But if the shit hits the fan and society is crumbling all around us, I'm all in for summary executions.

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Response to Red Bull (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 10:29 AM

29. Of course not.

If the death penalty were useful for ending violent crime, the states which do it most should be safer than the rest.
I find it funny how many tears you guys shed when guns are given the death penalty (buybacks) and how few when people are.

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Response to Red Bull (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:01 AM

30. I oppose capital punishment.

Not, in my case, because I don't believe that there are crimes sufficiently heinous that the perpetrator doesn't deserve to be culled. I most certainly do. I oppose capital punishment because the system is too error-prone for me to be comfortable with something that has no "reset button."

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Response to Tovera (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 04:38 AM

37. That's where I stand as well.

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Response to Red Bull (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 03:43 PM

32. I'm not a lefty but no.

How about we just start enforcing federal law? It is not in many urban areas with high gun crime rates. A Chicago felon caught just with possession of a firearm could go to prison for 10 years if federally prosecuted. They aren't and just go to jail for a few months. While anecdotal, I have a Marine brother that has been a Chicago cop for years and he arrests felon thugs in possession of firearms and sees them back on the street within a few months. He is pissed because the local courts give lenient sentences and the feds don't prosecute under federal laws. Those same thugs are either found shot dead, which is good, or end up eventually charged and convicted of homicide. If these thugs were convicted of federal gun crime laws before they went on to kill someone and spent 10 years in a federal prison, they would be less likely to continue their thug life when released. Here is factual evidence of the lack of federal prosecution in urban areas, the punch line though is that the feds don't prosecute in urban areas that have gun laws restricting the ownership of guns...
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/03/28/chicago-los-angeles-new-york-prosecuted-fewest-federal-gun-crimes

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Response to Red Bull (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:18 PM

34. I'm one of those rare lefties who's in favor of capital punishment.A person who uses a gun to murder

another person should get death by firing squad.

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