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Thu Mar 16, 2017, 05:57 PM

Are you for or against state mandated no smoking in businesses and restaurants

You can smoke in your house and car and outside but not in bars, restaurants, state buildings etc.
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I am for state mandated smoking bans
16 (48%)
I am against smoking bans
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Reply Are you for or against state mandated no smoking in businesses and restaurants (Original post)
mrwordsworth Mar 16 OP
Argentina Mar 16 #1
JaimeBondoJr Mar 16 #14
metroins Mar 16 #24
JaimeBondoJr Mar 16 #29
i verglas Mar 17 #31
Daves Not Here Man Mar 16 #2
outside Mar 16 #3
Juan Rico Mar 16 #4
Da Mannn Mar 16 #5
Aldar Mar 16 #6
liberalguy Mar 16 #13
NeoKhan Mar 17 #34
metroins Mar 16 #7
NeoKhan Mar 16 #10
metroins Mar 16 #22
NeoKhan Mar 16 #25
metroins Mar 16 #27
NeoKhan Mar 17 #30
metroins Mar 17 #32
NeoKhan Mar 17 #33
metroins Mar 17 #40
NeoKhan Mar 17 #43
_eek Mar 17 #37
metroins Mar 17 #39
_eek Mar 17 #41
mrwordsworth Mar 16 #8
saspamco Mar 16 #9
NeoKhan Mar 16 #12
saspamco Mar 16 #15
NeoKhan Mar 16 #17
liberalguy Mar 16 #16
saspamco Mar 17 #35
wisbadger Mar 16 #11
Stars Mar 16 #18
mrwordsworth Mar 16 #19
Stars Mar 16 #20
mrwordsworth Mar 16 #21
Stars Mar 16 #23
Hades Mar 16 #26
mrwordsworth Mar 16 #28
i verglas Mar 17 #36
Squeek Mar 17 #38
kc_tim Mar 17 #42
Carlos W Bush Mar 17 #44
Squeek Mar 17 #45

Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:00 PM

1. I'm in favor of smoking bans. Because when people smoke in businesses, they expose nonsmokers to

second-hand smoke, which is hazardous to their health.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:22 PM

14. I'm for leaving it up to the employees and posting signage that says it's a smoking establishment.

Let the free market dictate where those who don't want to be exposed to smoke choose to go. Let the market consist of smoking establishments and non.

Nobody who doesn't want to work there will have to, and no one who doesn't want to patronize a smoking establishment for whatever reason has to.

Get the fucking government out of it.

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:45 PM

24. That's how it was

And it was unhealthy.

We have enough things to worry about when going places, being subjected to toxic air isn't something you need to think about.

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Response to metroins (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:57 PM

29. Life is inherently unhealthy. Want to keep your good health?

Pick places to go that plainly advertise a non-smoking environment, and consider yourself "Pro-Choice".

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Response to JaimeBondoJr (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 04:27 AM

31. how about leaving it up to the employees

whether they want to be exposed to asbestos and suchlike carcinogens, and work at heights without safety harnesses, etc. etc. etc.?

I'm a smoker. If we could have robot-staffed bars and restaurants, I'd vote for let the market decide.

Since human beings work in them at present, I'll go with those human beings being just as entitled to regulatory protections as any other workers -- and just in case that's not clear, all workers are entitled to those protections.

Workers do not exactly enjoy a seller's market in the labour market at the moment, and have not for a long time, and will not for a long time. It is plain silliness to say that if an employee does not like the working conditions at one place, they can go get a job somewhere else with better conditions.

The only way that working conditions will be maintained at a minimal standard, we know from centuries of experience, is if employers are regulated into compliance.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:01 PM

2. When it first came into here in NY, I hated it.

But I was in my twenties, smoked and hit the bar a lot. But honestly, it's better. I quit smoking and don't go to the bar much anymore, but it's nice to breathe smoke free in them. And a cigarette smell while in eating is terrible.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:06 PM

3. Not here in California.

You can't smoke in parks, beach or 20 feet from a door or window. I own a condo in LA County that we rent out and you can't smoke in your own condo. The HOA has a smoking area in the parking lot. My son can't smoke anywhere on his college campus.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:17 PM

4. Against. It should be the decision of the business in question.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:28 PM

5. It should be up to the business, not the state

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:39 PM

6. smoking bans are more big government and no, I don't smoke

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Response to Aldar (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:11 PM

13. How freedummy. Nt

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 07:03 AM

34. Typical authoritarian lefty contempt for freedom.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 06:44 PM

7. Totally for it

It's a health issue.

Plus it is just plain disgusting.

Around 15-25% of smokers develop lung cancer. If a person still smokes today, they are making a very bad choice.

I understand how you could start back then, or even still do it 10 years ago, but in today's information world, you're insane to smoke.

A family member of mine has stage 4 non small cell lung cancer and he quit 2 years ago, before diagnosed.

I do not want to breathe in that air.

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Response to metroins (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:00 PM

10. "Plus it is just plain disgusting."

This is your basis for threatening government violence?

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Response to NeoKhan (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:40 PM

22. You didn't read my post

It is a health issue.

Smoking doesn't just effect the smoker, it effects everybody. I don't want to have to breathe that stuff in.

Imagine going to a restaurant, everything's going well and then somebody starts smoking next to you. Then you have to breathe in toxic air or leave early.

Times were not good before the ban and smoking is a public health issue.

And plus it's disgusting.

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Response to metroins (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:57 PM

25. So stay away from places where people smoke.

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Response to NeoKhan (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 10:37 PM

27. You shouldn't have to plan

everywhere you go and factor in toxic air quality.

Today I went to brake shop, taco cabana, best buy, bags n luggage, Apple, torchy tacos, chiropractor, hat creek, Sears and gas station.

I shouldn't have to Google every store to see if I'm going to get sick before I go.

Smoking is literally lighting something on fire and breathing in toxic smoke. It is one of the most unhealthy things a person can do and it kills a lot of people. It is killing one of my family members right now with lung cancer and it gave my mom COPD, she'll likely die early because she smoked.

This is a public health crisis and anything to keep my air clean is something I support.

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Response to metroins (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:25 AM

30. Oh you poor, entitled thing, you. I didn't realize the rest of the planet owed you.

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Response to NeoKhan (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 06:45 AM

32. They owe you too

We all should expect to breathe air that won't cause cancer.

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Response to metroins (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 06:57 AM

33. No they don't. Every restaurant ever isn't expected to be smoke free on the off chance I'll eat ther

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Response to NeoKhan (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:34 PM

40. You as a human should expect to be able to breathe clean air

In any reasonable situation.

I don't understand at all why you're advocating to breathe toxic air and advocating that others should too.

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Response to metroins (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:41 PM

43. I don't breath toxic air. I stay away from places I don't like.

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Response to metroins (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 09:30 AM

37. Do you avoid pit BBQ?

I am a "ex" smoker.. Just vaping occasionally now.

But I do feel if a business wants to offer an exclusively smoking restaurant, then they should be allowed. Under a 18 and over licensing ability.



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Response to _eek (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:33 PM

39. I usually avoid any smokey areas

I guess I'd be ok if there were smoking restaurants that had been licensed to allow smoking.

I don't want normal businesses to do it though, grocery stores, clothing stores etc.

It'd be nice if they licensed the restaurant to allow smoking and it had an adequate ventilation system. I feel really bad when I see smokers. That stuff causes so many different types of cancers and I just feel bad for them. I don't think many people realize what it does until it's too late.

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Response to metroins (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:37 PM

41. I am opposed to smoking in general areas

Like malls, clothing stores and the like. Wait until you get to your car.. It aint that hard.

I am regularly in Vegas, and I like that the restaurants and shopping areas are smoke free, and the casinos allow it. Seems that if a business opportunity is there, the business should be allowed to serve adults that want to poison themselves.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:19 PM

8. I am against smoking bans

I don't smoke but if a restaurant or bar isn't good at ventilation I can simply go somewhere else and not infringe on others. I hate being in small confined spaces with smokers but they aren't keeping me there against my will.

Ohio passed the smoking ban and one of my favorite micro brew restaurants closed due to it. The only redeeming thing ohio did during those years to counter this major mistake was to get rid of e-check except for Cleveland I think where they love to waste time and money of others.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 07:41 PM

9. I always remember Steve Martin's reply to "Do you mind if I smoke?"

"No, not at all. Do you mind if I fart?"

And I speak as someone who enjoys a decent cigar every once in a while. If you were raised with any sort of respect for other people, you know that personal habits like smoking shouldn't be imposed on others.

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Response to saspamco (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:08 PM

12. It's not the job of the state to enforce respect under threat of government violence.

"Do you mind if I impose manners under the threat of fines or arrest?"

"You already failed, jackass."

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Response to NeoKhan (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:30 PM

15. Take it up with patrons enjoying smoke-free places of business.

I don't need the state to impose good manners on me---but plenty of clueless assholes do. If "government violence" is available as a threat to make some people act civilized, that suits me fine.

I bet you're OK with "government violence" being utilized against women seeking legal pregnancy terminations, or against consenting adults engaging in sexual practices which don't appeal to you, or against gatherings of people who don't share your right-wing beliefs.

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Response to saspamco (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:58 PM

17. Your snowflake sensitivities are not more important than human life.

against consenting adults engaging in sexual practices which don't appeal to you, or against gatherings of people who don't share your right-wing beliefs.


Link or slink.

BTW - Will you endorse state violence against those blowing secondhand smoke on 4/20?

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Response to saspamco (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:34 PM

16. As far as I know, farts don't cause cancer or emphysema. Nt

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 08:15 AM

35. Yeah, I know. It's a good response, though.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 08:03 PM

11. It should be a decision between the business and consumer

The nanny state should stay out of it. I am not a smoker.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:10 PM

18. While I hate smoking

and think it's a nasty habit... I do not agree with a government entity telling anyone how to run their business.

Yeah, and I am a lefty. Shocking I know.

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Response to Stars (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:19 PM

19. You mean you take a liberal view on smoking rights?

Or individual rights? Are you like one of those real liberals?

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Response to mrwordsworth (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:26 PM

20. Individual rights.

I do not believe that the government should have any say on how wayne down at the machine shop should run his business.

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Response to Stars (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:28 PM

21. So you are not a progressive

I like your pro liberty stance.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 09:43 PM

23. I wouldn't say that

I just don't lock step on every issue.

I think I am pretty normal actually.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 10:29 PM

26. This is a fun one...

...watch who is ok with demanding business' be forced to not allow smoking, yet demand a business be allowed to choose to allow or not customers to conceal and carry.

Choice...they like to pick and choose depending on their bias.

Me? I'm for the owner deciding whatever they want for their clientele.

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Response to Hades (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 10:39 PM

28. Actually this issue is bi partisan

Even among gun owners and conservatives which is sad.

We are a more progressive nation than we are conservative.

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Response to Hades (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 08:31 AM

36. hey, no inconsistency here


- require that businesses prohibit smoking on the premises
(actually, the law itself prohibits the smoking - the smoker can be fined for smoking, and the business can be fined if it permits the smoking)

- require that businesses prohibit the carrying of firearms on the premises
(actually, the law itself needs to prohibit the carrying of firearms - a business couldn't reasonably be expected to know whether someone was breaking that law on its premises)

100% consistency.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 10:17 AM

38. For anyone who thinks

that state mandated no-smoking rules will hurt businesses....

Massachusetts. All workplaces, restaurants, and bars in Massachusetts are 100% smokefree as of July 5, 2004. The law has limited exceptions for membership associations and smoking bars, which are defined as bars in which 51% or more of the revenue is generated by the sale of tobacco products.


That's how it's been here since 2004.

Business hasn't been hurt a bit. Some restaurants and bars are packed full of people. There's one little local cafe I like but won't go to for Sunday morning breakfast because the waiting line is literally out the door. No smoking. People flock there anyway.

But all talk of health aside on the issue of secondhand smoke, there's still the issue of how many people who don't smoke and don't want to be near smoke because they don't want to stink.

There have been times I've been coming out of a store where employees are on break, smoking by the front door. Just passing by them whips up a cloud of stink, and it sticks to my clothing and hair and I reek like a dirty ashtray.

Now that is truly disgusting.

And there have been times when I've bought something on eBay and when I received it, the whole thing smelled from cigarette smoke. It's pretty discouraging when you buy something advertised as "new...unworn", and you have to wash it or hang it up outside before you can wear it because the seller was smoking while packing it for shipment.

I quit smoking in 1996. I never realized how much I reeked.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:38 PM

42. Being a supporter of freedom, choice, and individual rights

I am against such bans.

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Response to mrwordsworth (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:32 PM

44. I think smokers are the most disgusting people on earth.

I wouldn't be opposed to sending them all to Siberia.

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Response to Carlos W Bush (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 17, 2017, 03:49 PM

45. Well, one thing to understand...

Nobody should start smoking. That's an individual choice, and a bad one at that.

But once the addiction to whatever substances are in tobacco start, it's no longer a matter of just giving it up and that's that.

That stuff is like crack.

Here's an article on nicotine addiction and why it's so hard to quit.

https://betobaccofree.hhs.gov/health-effects/nicotine-health/


I've been cigarette free for almost 21 years, but every now and then I'll get a craving. Or sometimes I'll have a dream where I smoked a cigarette, and even though the habit, and the smell, are repulsive, in my dream I'm feeling the familiar soothing calm that came to me when I smoked in RL. You can quit, but you'll always be ripe for getting sucked in again. And I know that if I ever smoked even one cigarette, that would be it.

So really it does no good to try and punish someone who may want to quit, but can't deal with the withdrawal symptoms which can be as awful as getting off cocaine or heroin.




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