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Mon Feb 20, 2017, 09:50 AM

Vatican House of Cards as pro and anti-pope factions clash

A real-life version of the hit political drama “House of Cards” is unfolding at the Vatican, from cardinals openly defying the pope to anonymous posters sullying his name.

In the latest episode, a group of powerful Princes of the Church released a statement defending Pope Francis — but religious watchers warn the move could backfire and work in the favour of his conservative challengers.

“No pope controls everything,” said Vatican expert Luigi Accattoli. “There has always been some resistance, even from cardinals.”

But this time the critics are “louder and more numerous”.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/vatican-house-of-cards-as-pro-and-anti-pope-factions-clash/

Is it time to refer to Burke Catholics as the Avignon conspiracy?

The Schism in the Western Roman Church resulted from the return of the papacy to Rome under Gregory XI on January 17, 1377, ending the Avignon Papacy, which had developed a reputation for corruption that estranged major parts of Western Christendom. This reputation can be attributed to perceptions of predominant French influence and to the papal curia's efforts to extend its powers of patronage and increase its revenues.

After Pope Gregory XI died in 1378, the Romans rioted to ensure the election of a Roman for pope. On April 8, 1378 the cardinals elected a Neapolitan when no viable Roman candidates presented themselves. Urban VI, born Bartolomeo Prignano, the Archbishop of Bari, was elected. Urban had been a respected administrator in the papal chancery at Avignon, but as pope he proved suspicious, reformist, and prone to violent outbursts of temper. Many of the cardinals who had elected him soon regretted their decision: the majority removed themselves from Rome to Anagni, where, even though Urban was still reigning, they elected Robert of Geneva as a rival pope on September 20 of the same year. Robert took the name Clement VII and reestablished a papal court in Avignon. The second election threw the Church into turmoil. There had been antipopes—rival claimants to the papacy—before, but most of them had been appointed by various rival factions; in this case, a single group of leaders of the Church had created both the pope and the antipope.

The conflicts quickly escalated from a church problem to a diplomatic crisis that divided Europe. Secular leaders had to choose which claimant they would recognize:

France, Aragon, Castile and León, Cyprus, Burgundy, Savoy, Naples, Scotland and Owain Glyndwr's rebellion in Wales recognized the Avignon claimant.

Denmark, England, Flanders, the Holy Roman Empire, Hungary, Ireland (English Dominion), Norway, Portugal, Poland (later Poland-Lithuania), Sweden, Republic of Venice, and other City States of northern Italy, recognized the Roman claimant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Schism

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 10:16 AM

1. there are a few actual anti popes currently leading congregations

peter iii at el paimar de troya
pope rafael in kenya
pope michael i in kansas
pope linus ii in hertfordshire uk
pope alexander ix in elx spain

i don't think this guy counts



hmmmm, maybe i can make a frog suit (spray paint an old wetsuit maybe with fins, add glitter with a green ski mask and lips) and be an anti pepe for mardi gras ......

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Response to rampartb (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 10:41 AM

2. He might qualify if he finances his passion by selling indulgences.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 01:50 PM

3. The Vatican

went with a South American to be Pope to stop the large numbers of Catholics in South and Central America from leaving Roman Catholic Church. The Evangelical growth in South and Central America is huge.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/14/why-has-pentecostalism-grown-so-dramatically-in-latin-america/
Tens of millions of Latin Americans have left the Roman Catholic Church in recent decades and embraced Pentecostal Christianity, according to a new Pew Research Center survey on religion in 18 Latin American countries and Puerto Rico. Indeed, nearly one-in-five Latin Americans now describe themselves as Protestant, and across the countries surveyed majorities of them self-identify as Pentecostal or belong to a Pentecostal denomination.
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Many Cardinals say the Roman Catholic Church moving to the left is not working.


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