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Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:07 PM

California health officials to launch campaign against ‘vaping’

California’s top public health officer called Wednesday for a “bold public education campaign” to inform Californians about the health effects of electronic cigarettes, which have grown increasingly trendy in recent years.

The devices, also known as vape pens and hookah pipes, contain at least 10 chemicals known to cause cancer or birth defects, according to a report from the California Department of Public Health. While they are widely marketed as smoking cessation devices, “there is no scientific evidence that e-cigarettes help smokers successfully quit traditional cigarettes,” the report says.

Instead, the report says, e-cigarettes are addicting a new generation to nicotine with many of the same marketing techniques that have been banned for tobacco products. The devices are advertised on TV and radio, where tobacco ads are banned, and some packaging features cartoon characters.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article8496602.html#storylink=cpy

This is good news. Vaping needs to be stamped out. It is not a viable alternative to tobacco. And to me it is just as offensive as tobacco smoking. We need to work especially hard to get this message out to your impressionable youth.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:11 PM

1. Depending on the brand etc, the effluent is steam vice smoke, so it represents a lesser threat to

bystanders. Its also less of a threat to the user without all the tars. It is a cleaner nicotine delivery device for what are arguable addicts.

Nicotine use in any form is dumb. This is cleaner and less obnoxious. Its availability to minors should be restricted etc, but the moralizing I see on it is also dumb.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:13 PM

2. I happen to believe that there is nothing dumb about having morals.

n/t

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Response to john262 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:23 AM

50. When you force them on others it's a problem

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:53 AM

52. I am not forcing anything on anyone,

I am agreeing with CA health officials but I don't have the power to force anything on a anyone myself.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:14 PM

3. Now they are finding that they have formaldehyde and may be dangerous like regular cigs(link)

I would ban all smoking.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069?query=featured_home&&

Hidden Formaldehyde in E-Cigarette Aerosols

E-cigarette liquids are typically solutions of propylene glycol, glycerol, or both, plus nicotine and flavorant chemicals. We have observed that formaldehyde-containing hemiacetals, shown by others to be entities that are detectable by means of nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectroscopy,1 can be formed during the e-cigarette “vaping” process. Formaldehyde is a known degradation product of propylene glycol that reacts with propylene glycol and glycerol during vaporization to produce hemiacetals (Figure 1Figure 1
Daily Exposures to Formaldehyde Associated with Cigarettes and E-Cigarettes.
). These molecules are known formaldehyde-releasing agents that are used as industrial biocides.5 In many samples of the particulate matter (i.e., the aerosol) in “vaped” e-cigarettes, more than 2% of the total solvent molecules have converted to formaldehyde-releasing agents, reaching concentrations higher than concentrations of nicotine. This happens when propylene glycol and glycerol are heated in the presence of oxygen to temperatures reached by commercially available e-cigarettes operating at high voltage. How formaldehyde-releasing agents behave in the respiratory tract is unknown, but formaldehyde is an International Agency for Research on Cancer group 1 carcinogen.4

Here we present results of an analysis of commercial e-liquid vaporized with the use of a “tank system” e-cigarette featuring a variable-voltage battery. The aerosolized liquid was collected in an NMR spectroscopy tube (10 50-ml puffs over 5 minutes; 3 to 4 seconds per puff). With each puff, 5 to 11 mg of e-liquid was consumed, and 2 to 6 mg of liquid was collected. At low voltage (3.3 V), we did not detect the formation of any formaldehyde-releasing agents (estimated limit of detection, approximately 0.1 μg per 10 puffs). At high voltage (5.0 V), a mean (±SE) of 380±90 μg per sample (10 puffs) of formaldehyde was detected as formaldehyde-releasing agents. Extrapolating from the results at high voltage, an e-cigarette user vaping at a rate of 3 ml per day would inhale 14.4±3.3 mg of formaldehyde per day in formaldehyde-releasing agents. This estimate is conservative because we did not collect all of the aerosolized liquid, nor did we collect any gas-phase formaldehyde. One estimate of the average delivery of formaldehyde from conventional cigarettes is approximately 150 μg per cigarette,3 or 3 mg per pack of 20 cigarettes. Daily exposures of formaldehyde associated with cigarettes, e-cigarettes from the formaldehyde gas phase, and e-cigarettes from aerosol particles containing formaldehyde-releasing agents are shown in Figure 1.

Inhaled formaldehyde has a reported slope factor of 0.021 kg of body weight per milligram of formaldehyde per day for cancer (http://oehha.ca.gov/risk/pdf/TCDBcas061809.pdf). Among persons with a body weight of 70 kg, the incremental lifetime cancer risk associated with long-term cigarette smoking at 1 pack per day may then be estimated at 9×10−4. If we assume that inhaling formaldehyde-releasing agents carries the same risk per unit of formaldehyde as the risk associated with inhaling gaseous formaldehyde, then long-term vaping is associated with an incremental lifetime cancer risk of 4.2×10−3. This risk is 5 times as high (as compared with the risk based on the calculation of Miyake and Shibamoto shown in Figure 1), or even 15 times as high (as compared with the risk based on the calculation of Counts et al. shown in Figure 1) as the risk associated with long-term smoking. In addition, formaldehyde-releasing agents may deposit more efficiently in the respiratory tract than gaseous formaldehyde, and so they could carry a higher slope factor for cancer.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:22 PM

5. That is a lie.

Please cite the relevant studies that back up your claim. This study states that regular cigs are far more dangerous than e-cigs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018182/

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:04 PM

19. Depends on the juice.

Yes, there are some that have all sorts of chemicals in them (mostly the disposables you see in convenience stores and gas stations).

Those who buy the juice separately have many options and there are many with nothing but water, food-safe additives and nicotine.

Since none of these ingredients are carcinogenic, the second-hand vapor is safe.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:23 PM

22. We learned from prohibition that outright bans don't work. But what I would do is double the

cigarette taxes and outlaw all smoking including vaping except for in private homes where there are no children present. Having someone walk by me in the park puffing away and blowing smoke in my face is not cool.

Then I would use the funds generated form the doubled sin tax to fund programs to help returning veterans.

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:26 PM

24. Did you need Big DaddyMike to tell you this too?

I don't think I need to listen to anyone that had to be told scarfing fatty processed foods and guzzling sodas was bad for them, and had to have it banned to do the right thing to lose weight...

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Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:00 PM

65. More contrived bs. First, it isn't smoking anything it's vaping.

Second they performed this alleged study on "tanks". Third they cranked them up to 5 volts which is too hot for a person to hold & vape. Just more panicky crap.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:15 PM

4. In CA they have stickers on Ambulance windows that warn the ambulance could cause cancer

So, yeah, I am not shocked by this at all.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:24 PM

6. Good! Finally!!!!!

I have noticed that breathing in vape fumes does something to my lung function, almost creating an asthma. I'm not sure if it aggravates my acid reflux or what the mechanism is, but I feel a definite shortness of breath when people blow it in my face.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:46 PM

9. Do you get the same reaction

To a bowl of hot soup? Steaming hot coffee or tea?

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Response to clem kadiddlehopper (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:13 PM

10. No. My boss used to blow it right in my face.

So full on exposure for an hour at a time compounded by the fact that it's probably all in the air.

It took me a while to pinpoint my problem. I was popping acid reducers and antihistamines. I think it causes some sort of irritation or inflammation in my lungs. And since the fluid is unregulated there could be anything in it.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:28 PM

25. Your boss is an ass

I vape, but do it in my office or outside. I would never exhale directly in someones face.. It's just crass and vulgar.

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Response to _eek (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:46 PM

33. He IS doing it in his office...

But then he calls me in and asks for help on this or that (his computer skills are atrocious) and blows it right into my face. I've have it blown in my face by a cell phone rep and a gas station cashier too. When I see the wisps, I hold my breath and leave asap.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:54 PM

34. That sucks, and is boorish, and shitty behavior.

But most vapers, and smokers are not like that. Would you punish all for the asinine behavior of a few?


No one come's into my office with out being invited in, and I quit vaping when I have employees in. I also run a fan, as the smell is distracting, strawberry quick is the usual response

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Response to _eek (Reply #34)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:54 PM

35. The problem is a lot of people have been told it is just water vapor.

They don't realize they could be screwing up others around them. My boss didn't listen to me until I started printing out studies on second hand ecig vapors because he believed the marketing.

So yes we need more studies and more education. And frankly, why anyone would trust the Chinese enough to inhale their unregulated chemical products...well let's say I wouldn't do it.

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Response to Let it go (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:22 AM

53. Psychosomatic Drivel

In response to some of your comments below:

Most e-cig liquid is made right here in the good 'ol USofA and contains one of more the following:

Propylene Glycol
Vegetable Glycerin
Flavorant
Colorant
Nicotine

Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are in everything and I can guarantee that you eat, drink, inhale or wear a product containing one or the other every day. Items that include propylene glycol and/or glycerin:

After Shave, Air Fresheners, Antacid, Anti Frizz, Anti-Aging, Anti-Dandruff, Anti-Fungal Treatment, Anti-Itch/Rash Cream, Antiperspirants, Astringents, Baby Bubble Bath, Baby Conditioner, Baby Lotion, Baby Oil, Baby Powder, Baby Shampoo, Baby Soap, Baby Soap & Bath, Baby Sunscreen, Baby Toothpaste, Baby Wipes, Bagels, Baking Doughs, Bar Soap , Bath Oil/Salts/Soak, Blush, Body Firming Lotion, Body Mist, Body Oil, Body Powder, Body Spray, Body Wash & Cleanser, Breath Fresheners, Bubble Bath, Cakes, Pastries and Pies, Candy Bars, Canned Beans, Canned Meats, Canned Pastas, Canned Vegetables, Cereal Bars and Granola Bars, Children's Shampoo, Concealer, Conditioner, Condoms, Contact Lens Cleaners, Contact Lens Saline Solution, Contraceptives, Cookies, Crackers, Croutons, Stuffings, & Bread Crumbs, Denture Care, Deodorants & Antiperspirants, Depilatories, Dessert Toppings, Detangler, Diaper Cream, Dips and Spreads, Disinfectant, Dry Dog Food, Ear Wax Removal, Energy Bars, Energy Drinks, Exfoliating Stones and Brushes, Eye Cream & Treatment, Eye Drops/Artificial Tears, Eye Liner, Eye Makeup, Eye Shadow, Fabric Softener, Fabric Treatment, Face & Bodywash, Facial Cleanser, Facial Hair bleach, Facial Moisturizer/Treatment, Facial Powder, Facial Scrub, Facial Wipes, Feminine Moisturizer, Feminine Powder/Deodorant, Flatbread & Pitas, Foot Care Kits, Foot Cleansing, Foot Moisturizer, Foot Odor control, Foot Treatment, Foundation, Foundation with SPF, Frozen Dessert, Frozen Meals, Frozen Meat, Frozen Meat Substitutes, Frozen Seafood, Frozen Sides and Appetizers, Fruit Flavored Drinks, Fruit Sauces, Glitter, Hair Care Kits, Hair Color and Bleaching, Hair Growth Inhibitor, Hair Loss Treatment, Hair Perm, Hair Relaxer, Hair Removal Waxes, Hair Spray, Hand Cream, Hand Dishwashing Soap, Hand Sanitizer, Hand Wipe,s Household Cleaner Wipes, Ice Cream & Frozen Yogurt, Ice Cream Bars & Novelties, Insect Bite/Sting Treatments, Insect Repellents, Internal Analgesic, Jerky, Kitchen Cleaners, Laundry Detergent, Leave-In Conditioner, Lip Balm, Lip Balm with SPF, Lip Gloss Lip, Gloss with SPF, Lip Liner, Lip Plumper, Lip Treatment, Lipstick, Lipstick with SPF, Liquid Hand Soap, Lubricant/Spermicide, Makeup Remover, Mascara, Mask, Massage Oils and Lotions, Meal Starters, Men's Grooming, Menstrual/Diuretic, Moisturizer, Moisturizer with SPF, Mouthwash, Muffins, Nail Care Kits, Nail Polish, Nail Strengthener, Nail Treatment, Nipple Cream For Moms, Nuts & Seed Snacks, Oil Controller, Oral Pain Relief, Packaged Deli Meats, Packaged Dried Fruits, Packaged Entrees, Packaged Meat Substitutes, Packaged Pork, Packaged Poultry, Packaged Sausages, Packaged Seafood, Packaged Sides, Pain Relief, Pain/Wound Treatment, Peels, Personal Cleansing, Pie Crusts, Poison Ivy/Oak/Sumac Treatment, Polish Remover, Pore Strips, Pudding, Ready-to-eat Popcorn, Redness/Rosacea Treatment, Salad Dressings, Sanitary Pads, Sauces, Scalp Treatment, Scar Treatment, Shampoo, Shampoo Plus Conditioner, Shaving & Hair Removal, Shaving Cream, Skin Care Kits, Skin Fading/Lightener, Skin Toners, Sports Drinks, Spray-on Baby Sunscreen, Spray-on Sunscreen, Starch-Based Sides, Stirfry Sauce, Stretch Mark Treatment, Styling Gel/Lotion, Styling Mousse/Foam, Sunless Tanning Sunscreen, Sunscreen Tanning Oil, Teeth Whitening Toothpaste, Topical Pain Relief, External Analgesic, Tortillas and Taco Shells, Vapor Rubs, Varicose/Spider Vein Treatment, Whipped Cream, Whitening Toothpaste, Wound Treatment

Your best bet is to remain in your own home. ...at all times

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Response to Brundlefly (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 10:56 AM

57. Maybe

But I do notice certain blends, especially fruit based and too much PG irritate my throat, and lungs.
I have to stick to menthol and mints or tarter not so sweet fruit additives. OR both!!! Green ice is a tart and minty Mt Baker blend I have as my everyday.

Alas if the PG or VG is giving you asthma, you are screwed.. guess what is in an inhaler..

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Response to Brundlefly (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 12:38 PM

61. Increased levels of toxic metals' in e-cigarette secondhand smoke

The study - published in the Journal of Environmental Science, Processes and Impacts and led by co-author Prof. Constantinos Sioutas of USC - comes at a time when the World Health Organization (WHO) propose a ban on the use of e-cigarettes indoors.

Prof. Sioutas, along with colleagues at Fondazione IRCCS Instituto Nazionale dei Tumori (the National Institute of Cancer Research) in Milan, Italy, conducted the study to measure the level of exposure to harmful substances in secondhand smoke from e-cigarettes. By doing so, they hoped to provide regulatory authorities with valuable information.

They found that secondhand smoke from e-cigarettes has an overall 10-fold decrease in harmful particles and almost no organic carcinogens, which is likely because they do not burn organic material the way traditional cigarettes do.

But they also found that e-cigarette smoke contains chromium - a toxic element that is not present in traditional cigarettes - and nickel at levels four times higher than normal cigarettes.

The researchers say there were other toxic metals present in e-cigarette smoke, such as lead and zinc, though they were at levels lower than in normal cigarettes.

"Our results demonstrate that overall, electronic cigarettes seem to be less harmful than regular cigarettes, but their elevated content of toxic metals such as nickel and chromium do raise concerns," says Prof. Sioutas.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/281762.php

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Response to Let it go (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 01:47 PM

62. Is there a point there?

I don't know what you are getting at but; from your own link:

They compared the smoke from a traditional cigarette brand with some from an Elips Serie C e-cigarette - one of the most popular brands in Europe. As such, they say their results could vary based on which type of cigarettes and e-cigarettes are used.Commenting on their findings, Saffari says:"The metal particles likely come from the cartridge of the e-cigarette devices themselves - which opens up the possibility that better manufacturing standards for the devices could reduce the quantity of metals in the smoke. Studies of this kind are necessary for implementing effective regulatory measures."

EDIT: Great "study" BTW. They looked at one product, out of hundreds, not even available in the US. Bravo!

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Response to Brundlefly (Reply #62)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 02:59 PM

63. The point is it's unregulated.

Every manufacturer could have different toxic metals. Is it really okay to blow that with other people around?

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:28 PM

7. When I...

....light up....please take your offended sensibilities elsewhere.
Eat nothing but vegies.
Drink only pure water.
Exercise regularly.
Maintain a healthy weight.
Avoid alcohol, smoking and drugs.
You still die.

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Response to Majnun (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 06:41 PM

8. I have a friend of long standing who holds that exercise

is bad for you.

He says it causes sweating and shortness of breath.

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Response to In The Mood (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:22 PM

21. I has even made me puke and I am sure the body aches

and fatigue I felt afterwords were also caused by exercise...

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Response to _eek (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:24 PM

23. Well, there you are.

Most definitely overrated.

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Response to In The Mood (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:31 PM

26. I keep hearing about runners high...

I must have got some bad shit..(thanks to Dennis Miller)

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Response to _eek (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:36 PM

27. Yep, where is the FDA when they could

actually do something useful and earn their keep?

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Response to _eek (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:29 AM

54. It is terrible for you.

Between injuries, fatigue, vile body odors, and making fatbodies upset, exercise is a clear and present danger that should be highly regulated or banned.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:19 PM

11. The ignorance regarding e-cigarettes has reached critical derp levels.

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Response to who_what_where (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:01 PM

66. The nico-Nazis are hyperventilating....n/t

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:21 PM

12. E-cigars helped me quit.

Switched to them two years ago. After a few months, I stopped smoking entirely. No real or electronic.

It is amazing to me that people who want to stop smoking are against something that helps achieve that goal. This shows me that it isn't about smoking, it is about a moral panic and control.

You can make all the rules you want, people can and will vape wherever they want , because it instantly dissipates and doesn't stink up the place.

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Response to Hades (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:36 PM

16. I haven't totally quit but the juice I use has no nicotine. ...

I'm also vaping a lot less than I did at first. I will probably just quit when i use up the juice I have.

I will bum a cigarette occasionally (perhaps once a month). It gives me a rush but I don't like the smell on my hand and my clothes afterward.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:30 PM

13. I wonder if they're campaigning against marijuana use?

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:30 PM

14. liberals hate freedom.

It may have chemicals but all that leaves as smoke is just vapor. Can't hurt anyone or anything. Liberals want to legalize weed and criminalize water vapor. That's all I need to know about liberals.

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Response to Dork_Diggler (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:41 PM

17. I feel we ought to legalize weed. We lost the War on Drugs decades ago. ...

I also have no problem with e-cigs and use them myself.

I'm a libertarian. I tend to disagree with authoritarian liberals and conservatives. Some people can't seem to mind their own business.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:35 PM

15. Vaping needs to be stamped out?

 

Wow! You sound like a moonbat liberal trying to take away people's freedumb!

....the hypocrisy is staggering....

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Response to meanitt (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:19 PM

20. I don't regard this as liberal vs conservative issue. It's nothing more or less than a public

health issue.

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Response to john262 (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:12 PM

30. Vaping is far from a public health issue.

 

It affects no one other than the person receiving the nicotine. It's a water vapor, so to speak.

Other than using common courtesy when vaping and limiting access to adults only, it poses no public health risk.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 11:09 PM

36. Didn't you read the link I provided?

Or are you more of an expert than the California health officials?

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Response to john262 (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 08:21 AM

37. Then why isn't the FDA regulating it?

 

They've certainly reviewed it. This whole thing sounds like a nicotine and marketing issue.

You don't like vaping so it is A-OK for the big bad government to step in and grab e-cigs out of people's mouths.
Got it.

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Response to meanitt (Reply #37)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:18 PM

40. Usually the State of California is a trend setter when it comes to issues like this.

Since California is doing it look for other states to follow. But regarding the federal government, I am fine with leaving this issue to the states and keeping the feds out of it. And after all the states and the feds often are not on the same page. Look at contrasting laws about pot for instance where it's legal in some states yet illegal on the federal level.

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Response to john262 (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:03 PM

67. You mean like stealing water from other states to irrigate desert?

Or an enlightened approach to immigration? The only trends they set are usually based on hyperbolic panic & Hollywood.

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Response to john262 (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:40 AM

39. this study would seem to differ

http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_ItaEng.pdf

Conclusions
The above experiment, within the limits of the observed parameters, has underlined that e-smoking does not produce detectable amounts of toxic and carcinogenic substances in the air of an enclosed space. Further studies are needed to better understand all the involved aspects. However this preliminary assessment indicates that passive vaping impact, when compared to the traditional cigarette smoking, is so low that it is just detectable, and it does not have the toxic and carcinogenic characteristics of cigarette smoking. The absence of combustion and the lack of sidestream smoking, with its known toxic effects are probably the main reasons for the differences observed in air pollution characteristics between e-cigarettes and tobacco smoking. On the base of the obtained results and on ARPA data about urban pollution, we can conclude by saying that could be more unhealthy to breath air in big cities compared to staying in the same room with someone who is vaping.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:01 PM

18. I applaud this move....

I hate it when people do things that I personally do not enjoy or partake in. I hope they start a campaign against strawberry ice cream next.

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Response to UnicornWhisperer (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:38 PM

28. And tofu.

Don't forget to ban that damned tofu.

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Response to In The Mood (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:49 PM

29. Hey what's wrong with TOFU?

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Response to brew9876 (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:24 PM

31. Tofu is great...

When you use it as tofu, like in miso soup, or in a good Szechuan, but as TOFU, as a faux meat.. it is rank...

Chick peas make a far better meat substitute..or better yet just eat meat or don't, just quit trying to make fake meat.

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Response to _eek (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:28 PM

32. Agreed.

I was stationed in Korea a few times and they made some awesome soup that had TOFU in it.

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Response to _eek (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:41 PM

69. Yep. I've drastically cut my red meat consumption without needing "meat substitutes" at all.

Though owning a variety of cookbooks does help.

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Response to brew9876 (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:23 AM

38. Outside of causing men to grow boobs?

Nothing...nothing at all.

Restaurant owners who sell tofu to men should be thrown in jail.

-CG

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Response to Charles Goodnight (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:26 PM

41. I am the biggest carnivore on the planet

but Agedashi Tofu is delicious.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:30 PM

42. I've yet to find a style of tofu I like

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of different Asian cuisine, but I'd rather have a bland chicken breast added to a dish than have tofu.

I do love miso soup, but at the end of the table you find a small plate with all of my tofu chunks sitting on it.

-CG

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Response to Charles Goodnight (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:34 PM

43. It's basically deep-fried

coated in Panko and flavored with a Teriyaki. Think of it as similar to a sort of Asian Provolone Stick.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:37 PM

44. I'd order it without tofu.

Although after your description, now I am craving musubi.

I think need to pick up some SPAM on the way home tonight.

-CG

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 11:04 AM

59. add a little liquid smoke

it makes it even closer to provolone.. with sriracha and hot mustard curry sauce... NOMs!!

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:41 PM

45. So, do you feel all warm and fuzzy?

I think that is how the California statist types feel when they ban things they don't like.

Screw freedom. It looks sort of like smoke, even if it is not, and you don't like it. That must be enough to ban it.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:15 PM

46. It never fails that when this topic comes up the nicotine addicts come out in force

to defend their favorite drug. Smoking is a filthy and nasty habit and the information I linked to shows that vaping can lead to conventional tobacco use. That's enough for me.

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Response to john262 (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 06:28 PM

47. I do not use vapor.

Trying to force the government to control other people to stop doing things you don't like, that cause you no harm is a nasty habit too.

Maybe you could push for a gun ban while you are at it.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 08:22 PM

48. I am not trying to force the government to do anything. I am simply

agreeing with California health officials.

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Response to john262 (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 29, 2015, 09:58 PM

49. You are cheerleading

having someone's freedom to do something you don't like taken from them by force of law.

Maybe the state of California health officials will decide pit bulls are dangerous, and we could cheerlead for the banning of pitbull ownership?

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 06:49 AM

51. Just because I agree with this policy doesn't mean

i am obligated to agree with every other policy. I would oppose banning pit bulls.

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Response to john262 (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:34 AM

55. So, you don't like vaping.

The health council report is just a convenient excuse for you to support further regulation/banning on something that causes you no harm.

Just be honest. It is okay, most people enjoy controlling other people when it runs parallel with their likes/dislikes. It is not like you are unusual.



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Response to john262 (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:05 PM

68. Ignorance is a filthy, nasty habit. It isn't smoking it's vaping.

And it doesn't necessarily involve nicotine. You love using others as fuel for your ego-trip, I guess, regardless of facts.

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Response to question (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 08:42 PM

70. It's certainly the lesser evil compared to cigarette smoking, if nothing else. n/t

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 11:01 AM

58. I quit after 25 years of 2 pack a day habit,

over a year not one cigarette. And no plans to go back, or even a desire.
I also have no plans to quit vaping, I like my nicotine high, and have excellent cardio since I quit. I regularly do metric centuries on my bike, 100 kilometers averaging 17-18 mph over Middle Tennessee's rolling hills.

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Response to _eek (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 11:04 AM

60. Same here

smoked for 28 years, sometimes upwards of 4 packs a day!! I quit quite literally in one day with vaping. It's been 11 months now. I have one cigarette on the first of each month to remind myself why I quit. My fiance still smokes and yet I have no desire to go back.

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Response to _eek (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 31, 2015, 06:21 PM

71. Outstanding!

I quit my 30-year smoking habit through vaping (the aspire Nautilus is the Bomb)
and also have not the slightest desire for a nasty cigarette. It's been about four
months for me.

I like the act of smoking and I can now safely do so. My "smoker's cough" has
gone away and my wind is much better now, too.

Congratulations to all of DI's former smokers. Thank God for e-cigs, they work.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 09:35 AM

56. Worked for this 35 year smoker

 

Funny how these smoke nazis have no problem with the much deadlier smoke coming out of their tail pipes.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Fri Jan 30, 2015, 07:58 PM

64. Another anal "health alert" from California...

where they don't think it's necessary to vaccinate their kids, but they condemn vaping without any viable studies. The chemicals in vaping juice are exactly the same as those in medical atomizers...except for the juice flavor. And why would they wait for scientific evidence when they can simply ban something else?

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