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Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:37 AM

Two preteen girls charged as adults in stabbing of 12-year-old 19 times in planned murder plot



Two 12-year-old girls have been charged as adults in the attempted murder of another 12-year-old girl whom prosecutors say was stabbed 19 times to please a mythological creature they learned about online.

The two girls, charged Monday with first-degree attempted homicide, face up to 60 years in prison if convicted in the savage Saturday morning attack in a Waukesha, Wis., park, according to prosecutors.

According to a criminal complaint, one of the two girls told a detective they were trying to become “proxies" of a mythological demon-like character called Slender Man, which they learned about on creepypasta.wikia.com, a website about horror stories and legends.

The slaughter of their friend, whom they baited after a sleepover, had been planned since at least December, one girl told a detective.

They said they invited the girl over Friday night and, after failing to kill her that night, lured her to a park in the morning where they played a game of hide-and-go-seek.

More: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pre-teen-girls-stab-girl-12-planned-murder-plot-cops-article-1.1814357

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Reply Two preteen girls charged as adults in stabbing of 12-year-old 19 times in planned murder plot (Original post)
Attila Gorilla Jun 2014 OP
metroins Jun 2014 #1
st. thomas aquinus Jun 2014 #2
CB Ond Jun 2014 #4
sadie Jun 2014 #3
Ms.Eloriel Jun 2014 #5
lowcountryliberal Jun 2014 #6
Argentina Jun 2014 #7
YouKnowItsTrue Jun 2014 #14
john262 Jun 2014 #9
reticle Jun 2014 #10
Attila Gorilla Jun 2014 #15
Ajax Jun 2014 #16
Kheledon Jun 2014 #23
evangenline Jun 2014 #17
sadie Jun 2014 #18
evangenline Jun 2014 #19
sadie Jun 2014 #20
evangenline Jun 2014 #27
sadie Jun 2014 #28
GloriaMundi Jun 2014 #8
MrSlayer666 Jun 2014 #11
Argentina Jun 2014 #12
MrSlayer666 Jun 2014 #13
randypowers Jun 2014 #21
steelysunshine Jun 2014 #22
Attila Gorilla Jun 2014 #24
steelysunshine Jun 2014 #26
toast-chef Jun 2014 #25
Phlegm Monger Jun 2014 #29

Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:41 AM

1. Slender Man. He Lives.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:58 AM

2. well most plots are planned

What terrible headline writing.

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Response to st. thomas aquinus (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:40 AM

4. Not when it comes to the X-Files

I'm convinced that they made up those plots as they went along.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:59 AM

3. This is sickening to me.

What could possible be going on in these girls lives that they would repeatedly stab (very personal) a friend to death? Yes, I know she didn't die, but their intentions were to kill her.

I'm not sure how I feel about them being charged as adults. Okay, I think.

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Response to sadie (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:00 PM

5. No, not okay

No child should EVER be charged as an adult. Their brains are simply not finished gettig to the "finished" stage before ADULTHOOD.

There's a tendency when the crime is especially heinous to reach for the "cure" of trying the child as an adult. That's wrong. If the child can prove s/he has an ADULT brain, then it would be okay to try as an adult. Otherwise, not.

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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:29 PM

6. Fine when they get out at 18 they both get to live with you.

They will be larger and more clever then.

You don't get to hide the knives

That would show you don't trust them ant that might hurt their feelings.

And you must leave them alone with your children and pets for the same reason.


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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:09 PM

7. I think children who commit adult crimes should be tried as adults. Think of the poor victim.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:31 AM

14. Absolutely they should be tried as adults. There are many behaviors that present

themselves during childhood that hint at growing up to be a sick, and twisted, murdering adult. One of those behaviors is murdering small animals. These two girls skipped the small animals and went straight for murdering humans. At 18 I don't want them anywhere near my children or pets.

Many serial killers kill to control others’ lives, and as children, small animals are the only lives they have the power to control. Cannibalistic serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer would bike around the woods as a child, collecting dead animals to dissect. Dahmer even killed and dismembered his own puppy, mounting its head on a stake when he was done. http://www.crimemuseum.org/blog/9-early-warning-signs-for-serial-killers-2

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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:30 PM

9. It doesn't matter if their brains have reached the "finished" stage or not. Some crimes are just so

serious that those crimes need to be addressed in a forceful manner, child with an unfinished brain or not.

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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:52 PM

10. I Don't Care...

.... I don't care what happens to these miscreants, I hope they don't see the outside of a prison until they are over 60.

I don't CARE about their unfinished brains, I don't CARE about their tender age - they are damaged goods and their misfortune should not inadvertently become the misfortune of others.

99.99999999% of juveniles don't do this kind of sick shit. To act like they are just "young" is ludicrous.

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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:02 AM

15. I have to agree with the conservatives here.

You can't cure a sociopath.

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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:41 AM

16. I get what you're saying, but I disagree.

Children don't suddenly become adults when their brain is finally 'finished'. It's a gradual process.

We wouldn't punish a 4-year old for stealing a candy bar the same way we would punish a 17-year old for the same thing....even though neither one of them is an adult. We would hold them to different standards of conduct because we believe that the 17 year old knows better than the 4 year old.

Society accepts that teenagers don't always act like rational adults, and the law takes this into account. However, there are cases where the crimes they've committed have been deliberate, and well thought out. The acts weren't committed out of impulsiveness or with a lack of understanding. These are the cases where children should be tried as adults.

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Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:31 AM

23. I agree.

I do not think it wise to try twelve-year-olds as adults--ever.

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Response to sadie (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:20 PM

17. I am horrified by your post.

 

I find that many children these days are like this--absorbed in fantasy. They are Crystal Children and they have very developed upper chakras but the lower ones? Not so much. So very ungrounded and unaware of "reality."

The larger piece of this is why people gravitate towards violence as a form of entertainment. I was absolutely repulsed by the images I saw once on a video game that my younger brother was playing years ago. I thought--who are these sick fucks who think up this shit? There is something wrong with people who want to create that garbage, as well as entertain it in their consciousness. Blood spurting, people shot and stabbed...Just demonic.

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Response to evangenline (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 07:56 PM

18. Crystal Children?? What the hell is that.

What part of my post are you horrified at?

You're one of those that blame the makers of the video games and not the parents. I'm not sure we would ever have anything in common.

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Response to sadie (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:16 PM

19. Where did you read that I don't hold parents accountable

 

for what their kids watch? That's right, you didn't read that. Matter of fact, I think it's really crazy for minors to have private Internet access at all times. They can be watching real-life violence and/or hardcore sex and it's odd to me that parents who would normally be afraid to let their kids go to unknown physical locales have no problem giving them access online to whatever depraved site is out there.

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Response to evangenline (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:58 PM

20. Okay. Point taken. My apologies.

I read too much into your post.

However, you didn't answer any of my questions. Will you do so now?

I agree with you on some parents.

**Edited to add some.

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Response to sadie (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:41 AM

27. I was horrified that you decided that you were okay

 

with them being charged as adults. I also noticed that their names were "printed" online in an article!

I don't know if you are old enought to remember Dungeons and Dragons in the '70s and how some geeks got carried away with the game and started embodying it. It's the same deal. Is it madness? Why are some people so unable to discern fiction from "reality?" Because this "reality" is not really real either. The Hindus call it maya but in any case, the idea that what we experience is real is just another illusion.

To punish and shame girls who are either nuts or who go between various realms of reality, is just cruel.

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Response to evangenline (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:16 PM

28. To me it's not about girls.

It's about plain mean, evil if you will. Take a look at the young boy that tortured and killed the teacher several months back. While in jail, he attacked a women and tried to kill her in prison. He is in his early teens.

Lots of people screamed that he shouldn't be tried as an adult because.....brain! I disagreed then and I disagree now.

Any kid that will do what he did, or what these two tried their damndest to do, should not be slapped on the hand and released at 18 or 21. It's not their brain not being fully developed. It's what part of their brain IS developed and somehow went terrible wrong.

That's just my opinion. I have children. I love children. But I can admit there are some just plain evil, mentally ill, mean children.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:13 PM

8. This reminds me of the movie "Heavenly Creatures"...

...based on a true story of two 12-year-old girls who killed one of their mothers. The movie did a good job of showing how two young women became wrapped up in a shared fantasy world to the point where they committed murder.

It's known in psychiatry as "shared psychotic disorder", or more colloquially "folie a deux" (folly of two).

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:09 PM

11. Best to just put these rabid dogs down.

They are full fledged psychopaths. There's no fixing what is wrong with these girls. It's a service to both them and society to just end their existence as soon as possible.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:45 PM

12. Lock them up and throw away the key. Let them rot in prison for the rest of their lives. Maybe

someday one or both of them will think about what she did and realize it was wrong.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:00 AM

13. Unlikely.

That almost never happens and what good would that do if it did?

Obviously, they aren't going to be executed, no one has the stomach for that but they should never see the outside of a jail cell again.

Ultimately, your scenario is what will likely happen.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:20 AM

21. no bleeding hear liberalism from me on this. Anyone old enough to drive, to drink, to consent for

sex, to get married, to sign a binding contract, to vote - is old enough to be tried as an adult

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:23 AM

22. The problem with trying them as adult is...

if they are found guilty they go to an adult prison. They don't belong in an adult prison. They belong in a mental health facility. The beauty of that is it would never be seen as cruel and unusual punishment.

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Response to steelysunshine (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:35 AM

24. They'd be in one for the criminally insane.

Not a fun place to be.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:47 AM

26. Yeah I know

I have a pretty good idea of what it's like to be around the criminally insane 24/7. Half my family is Irish the other half German.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:40 AM

25. They should be tried as adults.

This has nothing to do with not fully developed brains. It was cold blooded murder, that they have been planning for months.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Original post)

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:19 PM

29. Only adults really believe in Slender Man.

Perhaps they had to be charged in order to continue being held.

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