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Mon May 18, 2015, 08:04 AM

Pandemonium erupts at Waco restaurant

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A Waco, Tex., sports bar that was packed with rival biker gangs — and police — was the scene of a mass shootout on Sunday that sent terrified patrons diving for cover, left nine people dead and led to 192 arrests, according to authorities.

The confrontation began about noon in the bathroom of a Twin Peaks restaurant and quickly escalated from hands and feet to knives and chains and then gunfire as it spilled into a busy shopping center parking lot, according to Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton, a police spokesman.

Several officers were involved in the shootout, police said; none were wounded, and it was unclear whether any of the nine bikers killed in the melee were shot by police.

Eighteen people were taken to hospitals with injuries that included stab and gunshot wounds, Swanton said. Some victims were being treated for both, he told reporters in Central Texas on Sunday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/05/17/shootout-among-rival-biker-gangs-in-texas-restaurant-kills-9/

Be careful out there.

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Reply Pandemonium erupts at Waco restaurant (Original post)
Agent_86 May 2015 OP
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy May 2015 #1
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #34
Muddling Through May 2015 #40
USNRET1988 May 2015 #2
ol geezer May 2015 #3
JoeNikon May 2015 #4
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #5
ol geezer May 2015 #6
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #7
Crazy D May 2015 #9
ol geezer May 2015 #10
JoeNikon May 2015 #11
Isidore May 2015 #8
Supercalifragilistic May 2015 #12
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #31
Muddling Through May 2015 #41
Supercalifragilistic May 2015 #43
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #44
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #45
Supercalifragilistic May 2015 #47
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #50
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #13
spike61 May 2015 #14
Muddling Through May 2015 #15
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #19
Muddling Through May 2015 #23
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #25
Muddling Through May 2015 #26
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #28
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #30
Muddling Through May 2015 #36
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #29
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #16
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #18
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #21
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #32
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #38
Muddling Through May 2015 #24
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #35
Muddling Through May 2015 #37
oldenuff35 May 2015 #42
Miss Quay May 2015 #17
Muddling Through May 2015 #27
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #33
Muddling Through May 2015 #39
bpilgrim May 2015 #48
Muddling Through May 2015 #49
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #20
Letmypeoplevote May 2015 #22
Banshee 3 Actual May 2015 #46

Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 08:13 AM

1. If there had only been a "no guns" sign, this would not have happened.

Because we all know, biker gangs obey those no guns signs.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Reply #1)

Thu May 21, 2015, 05:00 PM

34. The Second Amenment is important to bikers

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #34)

Thu May 21, 2015, 05:12 PM

40. *Sigh*

Do you ever tire of being wrong? If you cannot understand the reason for the dispute in Waco, please have a conservative read and explain it to you. Liberals have repeatedly demonstrated issues with reading comprehension.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 09:35 AM

3. The survivors were the good guy with guns, correct?

It's a good thing the good motor cycle guys were armed so they could take care of those nine bad guys.

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Response to ol geezer (Reply #3)

Mon May 18, 2015, 03:19 PM

4. OK, I admit that is a little funny.


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Response to ol geezer (Reply #3)

Mon May 18, 2015, 03:24 PM

5. Goodguys with guns? oh you mean the police who stopped it, yes

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #5)

Mon May 18, 2015, 04:36 PM

6. No, I mean the bikers that stopped the bad guys that were shooting up the place.

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Response to ol geezer (Reply #6)

Mon May 18, 2015, 04:43 PM

7. The bikers were the BAD guys, Matlock..........

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #7)

Mon May 18, 2015, 05:40 PM

9. Hey, never compare Ol Wheezer to Matlock

Matlock can find a clue you know

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #7)

Mon May 18, 2015, 08:22 PM

10. It would depend who was shooting at whom, would it not?

Just because someone is a biker does not necessarily make the a bad guy.

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Response to ol geezer (Reply #10)

Mon May 18, 2015, 09:36 PM

11. No, really it would not.

According to the bikers, yes, it really does make them a Bad Guy.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Mon May 18, 2015, 05:33 PM

8. Has ISIS claimed credit? ( n/t )

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Tue May 19, 2015, 12:31 AM

12. Thugs doing what thugs do.

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Response to Supercalifragilistic (Reply #12)

Thu May 21, 2015, 04:58 PM

31. It is too much to expect that conservatives would compare this to Baltimore

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #31)

Thu May 21, 2015, 05:14 PM

41. The incident in Waco had nothing in common with Baltimore.

No gangs of white people are running around looting and burning in protest of the bikers that were shot and killed. Have someone read the story to you since you seem to have comprehension problems.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #31)

Thu May 21, 2015, 10:31 PM

43. What is there to compare?

Why can't this group of animals Stand on their own?

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Response to Supercalifragilistic (Reply #43)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:12 AM

44. Yes it was too much to expect

One group is being treated very differently than the other

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Response to Supercalifragilistic (Reply #43)

Fri May 22, 2015, 05:51 PM

45. Biker Gangs, Tamir Rice, And The Rise Of White Fragility

This may be too advanced for the conservatives to understand http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/the-rise-of-white-fragility

Recently released records show that Cleveland Police would have wanted to charge 12-year-old Tamir Rice with inducing panic and being an “aggravated menace.” He was shot and killed by an officer in less than two seconds while playing in the park with a toy gun. This development is juxtaposed with the news that a violent biker gang in Waco, Texas shot up a restaurant parking lot. Nine biker gang members were killed. Police arrested 170 gang members, and confiscated countless weapons. Apparently those 170 weren’t an aggravated menace worthy of immediate death.

Tamir Rice was an African American, while the biker gangs were not.

This scenario has repeated itself too many times to be coincidence. An 8-year-old child shot and killed by officers while she slept, a 17-year-old killed by police in his own home, a 22-year-old immediately shot and killed in a Wal-Mart, and many more cases of unarmed African Americans immediately getting shot down and labeled as menaces. While on the other side of reality, the Aurora shooter, Timothy McVeigh, and many other armed mass killers were arrested without a scratch on them.

This scenario has repeated itself too many times to be coincidence. An 8-year-old child shot and killed by officers while she slept, a 17-year-old killed in the by police in his own home, a 22-year-old immediately shot and killed in a Wal-Mart, and many more cases of unarmed African Americans immediately getting shot down as and labeled as a menace. While on the other side of reality, the Aurora shooter, Timothy McVeigh, and many other armed mass killers were arrested without a scratch on them.

The most dangerous uprising that's threatening America's stability isn't black protests in places like Ferguson or Baltimore. It's taking place among an aging white majority that is losing its bearing on reality and destroying the gears of government, media and public welfare. At its center is an inexplicable, illogical and dangerous fear that some sociologists are now defining as white fragility.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #45)

Sat May 23, 2015, 10:49 AM

47. Stupid things are tough for most people to understand.

This drivel is no different.

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Response to Supercalifragilistic (Reply #47)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:53 PM

50. You have that backwards

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Tue May 19, 2015, 08:22 PM

13. White on White crime is out of control

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #13)

Tue May 19, 2015, 08:26 PM

14. Already got its own OP over on DU

I'm Sure you're not surprised

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #13)

Tue May 19, 2015, 08:29 PM

15. 9 bad guys DRT.

Looks pretty well controlled to me. I'm waiting for the "hands up, don't shoot" riots, err "demonstrations" to start any day now.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #15)

Wed May 20, 2015, 06:43 PM

19. Here is something that the conservatives who lack a sense humor will not understand

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #19)

Wed May 20, 2015, 07:28 PM

23. Fortunately

Conservatives are the ones that have a sense of humor.

Liberals on the other hand are the ones with no tolerance for differing opinions. Hence "trigger warnings", "safe zones", a total aversion to free speech that might hurt someone's "feewings". "Hate Speech" restrictions, etc.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #23)

Wed May 20, 2015, 07:51 PM

25. You have yet to demostrate this claim

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #25)

Wed May 20, 2015, 07:59 PM

26. You have yet to demonstrate anything remotely amusing.

Your lame-ass attempts at personal insults fail every time.

It's the left that speaks of criminalizing the actions of Pamela Gellar; not the right. It's the left that speaks of "free speech zones", "trigger warnings", "micro-aggressions" and the like. It's the left that coins the term "hate speech" in an attempt to use the government to silence speech that they do not like.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #26)

Thu May 21, 2015, 04:55 PM

28. Differing Portrayals of Waco, Baltimore Spur Reflection, WTFs

Here are some facts for the silly conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/differing-portrayals-of-waco-baltimore-spurs-reflection-wtfs

http://a3.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/i2sts0udedq7pgytpgtc.jpg

WASHINGTON (AP) — The prevailing images of protests in Baltimore and Ferguson, Missouri, over police killings of black men were of police in riot gear, handcuffed protesters, tear gas and mass arrests. The main images of a fatal gun battle between armed bikers and police in Waco, Texas, also showed mass arrests — carried out by nonchalant-looking officers sitting around calm bikers on cellphones.

The firefight in Waco is raising questions about perceptions and portrayals of crime in America, considering the vehement reaction that the earlier protests got from police, politicians and some members of the public.

Unlike in Ferguson and Baltimore, where protests went on for days, there was no live news coverage of the Waco shootout. And yet the incident at a Texas restaurant hasn't been used as a bridge to discuss other issues about families, poverty and crime, media critics, columnists and civil rights activists say.

They complain that there appears to be little societal concern about the gunplay at a restaurant in Texas, whereas politicians — including President Barack Obama — described violent looters in Baltimore as "thugs," and the media devoted hours of television and radio airtime to dissecting social ills that affect the black community.

On Twitter, #wacothugs and #whiteonwhitecrime were trending, with columnists around the nation debating the differences. "So the mainstream media refuses to talk (hashtag)WacoThugs, huh? No panel discussion on their childhood? Fatherless homes?" radio and TV commentator Roland Martin said on Facebook. The Atlantic's Ta-Nehisi Coates tweeted sarcastically, "Why won't America's biker gangs be more like Dr. Martin Luther King?"

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #26)

Thu May 21, 2015, 04:56 PM

30. Here are some accurate headlines

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #30)

Thu May 21, 2015, 05:02 PM

36. Nation asks why you post cartoons full of lies.

"White Thugs" destroyed no neighborhood.

No "shrines" built to deceased bikers.

The DOJ is not starting a Civil Rights investigation.

If you do not understand the sentences, get a conservative to explain them to you. Liberals have a documented history of reading comprehension failure and taking things out of context to present a false picture. See: Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown, etc.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #23)

Thu May 21, 2015, 04:56 PM

29. Really?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #13)

Tue May 19, 2015, 08:29 PM

16. 2 of the dead were Hispanic

Check out the Mugshots, Whites, Blacks, Hispanics








If you feel silly now, you should

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #16)

Wed May 20, 2015, 06:42 PM

18. Really?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #18)

Wed May 20, 2015, 06:50 PM

21. Do you ever tire of being wrong?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #21)

Thu May 21, 2015, 04:58 PM

32. I love it when conservatives are proven wrong

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #32)

Thu May 21, 2015, 05:03 PM

38. Do you ever tire of being wrong?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #18)

Wed May 20, 2015, 07:32 PM

24. Really?

Where are the "hands up, don't shoot" riots, err demonstrations? Oh, that's right, conservatives understand that 9 criminals shot by the police are not an excuse to burn the neighborhood down. Your juvenile attempts at humor are simply tiresome, and wrong.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #24)

Thu May 21, 2015, 05:02 PM

35. This may be too advanced for conservatives who lack a sense of humor

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #35)

Thu May 21, 2015, 05:03 PM

37. More lies. Yawn. (nt)

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #13)

Thu May 21, 2015, 07:01 PM

42. well if we look at the current Obama FBI stats that is not what we find.

would you like me to educate you...... I love posting those stats.....

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Tue May 19, 2015, 09:37 PM

17. Can't go anywhere without fear of being shot these days.

Police and thieves in the streets.

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Response to Miss Quay (Reply #17)

Wed May 20, 2015, 08:03 PM

27. Stay out of restaurants that cater to outlaw biker gangs

and your chances improve dramatically. I honestly don't know what the restaurant was thinking by inviting rival biker "clubs" at the same time. That's the reason the police were on hand; looks like there preparations were a good idea.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #27)

Thu May 21, 2015, 04:59 PM

33. For this thread

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #33)

Thu May 21, 2015, 05:06 PM

39. Lame.

For satire to be effective it has to actually be funny. This is just puerile.

Where are the "demonstrations" burning down buildings? Where are the "shrines" to the deceased bikers? Where is the DOJ sponsored Civil Rights investigation?

More false equivalence from the left. Yawn.

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Response to Muddling Through (Reply #27)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:54 PM

48. There are plenty of biker bars where I live, shoot they bring a big boost to our economy

 

This sounds like lame stereotyping to me... I want to see the videos, I'm sure the cops have NONE, but the business probably do.

If the cops had the place surrounded, as has been reported, I seriously doubt any of the bikers would have started fighting.

I'll withhold judgment until more evidence comes to light but as it stands right now, I smell a big blue RAT.

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Response to bpilgrim (Reply #48)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:59 PM

49. Well, video would be nice.

Most MC clubs aren't "outlaw", it appears these two had a running feud going. Be interesting to see what develops.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Wed May 20, 2015, 06:46 PM

20. When The Gang-bangers Are White Guys

Here are more facts for the conservatives to ignore or not be able to understand https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/05/19/when-the-gang-bangers-are-white-guys

These biker gangs have a long history in organized crime. They began with restless, traumatized veterans returning home after World War II. Today, biker gangs still act as a sort of private militia that police can’t always control, patrolling festivals and other events. Why don’t we pay more attention to them?

Geography may be part of the answer. There are not a lot of outlaw biker gangs in gentrifying Brooklyn and other key media centers. Of course, the number of deaths is lower overall with these groups. You don’t have the daily deluge of homicides the way we would in Chicago. But I do think that our views about urban crime are so framed by race and inequality in a variety of ways. When criminal activity seems unrelated to these factors, it doesn’t hit our national dopamine receptors in quite the same way. People tend to view these motorcycle gangs as a kind of curiosity.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Wed May 20, 2015, 06:59 PM

22. Media coverage of gang violence sure looks different when the perpetrators are white

This is a good article on this issue http://www.vox.com/2015/5/19/8620357/waco-biker-shootout-race

Those who are using what happened in Waco to start conversations about stereotypes and media biases against black people aren't complaining about the tenor of this weekend's media coverage. They're saying something a little different: that by being pretty reasonable and sticking to the facts, this coverage highlights the absurdity of the language and analysis that have been deployed in other instances, when the accused criminals are black.....

In particular, you'll see a lot of sarcasm about "white-on-white crime" and "white-on-white violence."

That's because hand-wringing over "black-on-black" violence is frustratingly common — especially as an attempt to derail the focus on high profile stories of police-involved deaths of black people. It's finally catching on that focusing on black-on-black crime in response to criticism of law enforcement practices doesn't make sense, but the absence of any similar refrain in cases in which the suspected criminals are white is a reminder of how the idea of intraracial crime is almost exclusively — and unfairly — brought up when black people are involved.

John FugelsangVerified account
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"9 killed in Waco biker gang shootout - where are the white leaders decrying this white-on-white violence?" #stuffthemedianeversays
Terrell J. Starr @Russian_Starr
Hey @CNN and @FoxNews: Are you gonna talk about white on white crime tonight. Waco is plagued with biker gang violence.
4:40 PM - 17 May 2015
.....But the key thing to understand is that the criticism here is not really of the coverage of what happened in Waco. It's of the juxtaposition of what happened here with what happens when the people involved are of a different color. The message is not that the conversation about Waco should be overblown, hypercritical of an entire culture, or full of racial subtext. It's despair over the sense that if the gang members were black, it almost certainly would be.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #22)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:01 PM

46. Sure the coverage is different, show the Whites Looting and Burning? What no cartoon for that?

Waco- 300 Black, Hispanic and White Criminals shot and stab each other. Cops put stop to it over 100 arrested and bail set over a million dollars each

Burnitmore- Thousands of Black residents run amok Looting, Burning their own neighborshomes and businesses.

Black mayor allowed the space to do so

Ferguson- Hundreds Burn, Hundreds Loot, some even Shoot, each other and cops

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