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Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:05 AM

St. Louis - Police concerned about stolen guns being used in shootings

http://www.kmov.com/story/29754334/police-concerned-about-stolen-guns-being-used-in-shootings

There is a concern among law enforcement about the number of stolen guns that are used in violent crimes.

Police issued the warning after a man allegedly fired shots at officers Sunday night in Ferguson. Authorities believe the gun allegedly used by Tyrone Harris in the shooting was stolen.

Shortly before the shooting, police said they recovered a stolen gun in Jennings. 19,000 guns were reported stolen in 2014. Some guns are stolen from homes in cars and homes in the St. Louis metropolitan area, but there is a pipeline from rural counties where a higher percentage of residents own guns.

“We believe this is happening. Burglaries are occurring here in Jefferson County and those weapons find their way up to St. Louis,” said Captain Ron Arnhart with the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department.

Some in law enforcement believe gun owners who leave their guns in places where they can easily be stolen should be held accountable.

“Maybe we need to have those serious discussions about trying to hold our gun owners more accountable on the weapons that they possess now. They need to be held more accountable,” said Captain Jeff Fuesting with St. Louis County Police.

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Reply St. Louis - Police concerned about stolen guns being used in shootings (Original post)
Shredded Hedly Aug 2015 OP
700WinMag Aug 2015 #1
Shredded Hedly Aug 2015 #2
.30M1 Aug 2015 #5
Shredded Hedly Aug 2015 #6
.30M1 Aug 2015 #10
700WinMag Aug 2015 #14
700WinMag Aug 2015 #8
Shredded Hedly Aug 2015 #11
700WinMag Aug 2015 #18
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy Aug 2015 #3
.30M1 Aug 2015 #4
Shredded Hedly Aug 2015 #7
.30M1 Aug 2015 #9
700WinMag Aug 2015 #12
News2Me Aug 2015 #13
.30M1 Aug 2015 #17
News2Me Aug 2015 #19
ToBeIgnoredIsWinning Aug 2015 #21
SavannahMan Aug 2015 #15
Shredded Hedly Aug 2015 #16
the more you know Aug 2015 #20
Banshee 3 Actual Aug 2015 #22

Response to Shredded Hedly (Original post)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:09 AM

1. Simple.

Stealing from other people is wrong.

Blame the criminals that steal guns.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:13 AM

2. yes theres plenty of blame to go around

But we need solutions instead of handwringing.

This is a problem identified by the police.

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:29 AM

5. You know nothing about solutions.

You don't care for any either since you would rather blame anything but the real root cause.

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:33 AM

6. thank you for your useless reply and personal attack

Bye

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:42 AM

10. Useless copy/paste.

Notice you did nothing more. Personal attack?

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:50 AM

14. Oh please.

Don't act like you are all sensitive now.

You use personal attacks and have attacked me in the past when I was not even responding to you.

All this means is you know we are right.

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:41 AM

8. Yes.

There is a problem. It's called criminals committing crimes.

No other blame needed or warranted. Is there plenty of blame to go around as to why criminals are criminals? Maybe. Bad parenting? I would say that is a problem in many cases.

Solutions? Stop making excuses for criminal behavior. Burglary is a felony. Stop making excuses for felons. Mandatory prison sentences for people that break into HOMES and put people in fear. There is NO EXCUSE for people who break into other peoples homes and steal their property.

No there is NOT plenty of blame to go around. We just need to start putting the blame where it belongs.

Period.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:44 AM

11. negligence is a form of crime

Otherwise take it up with the COPS who are voicing concerns about stolen weapons. I'm just the messenger.

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:58 AM

18. Cops?

Or one administrator who is quoted in the article?

If my home or my vehicle is LOCKED or UNLOCKED is not an issue. NO ONE has any right whatsoever to enter my property and steal.

Quit making excuses for criminal behavior by criminals.

If I told you that police officers want stiffer penalties for criminals would you jump on the band wagon? Or are you just promoting the view of this one officer because it supports your cause?

Get back to me when the majority of LEO's want this because they feel it will make a difference.

Oh and do you have any real stats on how many guns are being stolen and used in crimes? Is it hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands?

Yeah it's an epidemic.

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Original post)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:17 AM

3. Hummmm

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-stolen-police-guns-20150807-story.html

Having policies that dissuade officers from storing guns in their cars at all, or, mandating officers secure them in a frame-mounted gun safe — as most departments do — is the very least police can do. Enhanced penalties for officers who ignore policy and whose weapons are stolen are a necessary deterrent — considering the possible consequences.

After all, in journalism, a judgment error can lead to a correction. Having a police officer recklessly leave loaded weapons in a vehicle can lead to an obituary.

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Original post)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:27 AM

4. Typical and lazy meme.

“Maybe we need to have those serious discussions about trying to hold our gun owners more accountable on the weapons that they possess now. They need to be held more accountable,” said Captain Jeff Fuesting with St. Louis County Police.


Someone just needs to focus on the criminal element and doing their job. They could be asking why gun-control advocates never put their money where their mouths are and offer up free or low-cost gun safes in at-risk communities. Come on, Senile Mike has a few billion dollars and can piss away millions in failed election campaigns, why not a few million to subsidize gun safes?

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:34 AM

7. you should run the world instead of grousing on a backwater forum

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:41 AM

9. Nah.

You should take your own advice.

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:48 AM

12. Mandatory life sentences...

For anyone caught committing a burglary. If you choose to enter the home of someone else with the intent of committing a theft or other crime there is no excuse for you to roam freely.

To me burglary is right up there with rape. You choose to violate someone by invading their home and having them now live in fear and not be able to sleep at night while you roam freely on probation? You deserve to be in prison for a long, long time.

Granted that sounds a little harsh but I am tired of the excuses for criminal behavior.

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:48 AM

13. Why should gun control advocates be expected to cover the cost of doing what responsible gun owners

should be doing for themselves? What has happened to the concept of personal responsibility?

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Response to News2Me (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:55 AM

17. Why should victims be punished for crimes against them?

Nope. Gun-control advocates need to put up or shut up. You want to mandate gun safes, you need to cough up the money. Poor people have the right to armed self-defense and not have some know-nothings penalize them. Can't convince a billionaire to put up some cash to help out? Not like any of you even try.

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 10:04 AM

19. Of course, you have that right, but with rights come responsibilities. If you want to own a

potentially dangerous object, you are responsible for keeping it out of the hands of people who should not have access, like criminals and young children. How many kids would still be living if they hadn't found mom or dad's unsecured firearms and killed either themselves or someone else?

You lock up your car when you leave it so it won't be stolen, a responsible adult should treat firearms the same way.

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Response to News2Me (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:39 PM

21. Huh???


You lock you car so it doesnt get stolen. Isnt that interesting? You dont lock it so that someone doesnt take it and drive it into a crowd of people.

...yet cars are used criminally much more than guns.

...now you tell me that keeping my guns in a locked house is irresponsible because some criminal might break in and take it? WTF?

I'll support accountability for stolen guns the day that you become accountable for whenss omeone steals your car and drives drunk with it. Until then...stuff it.

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Original post)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:51 AM

15. Wait a minute

I thought that the criminals got their guns via the background check loophole. Nobody ever said anything about the criminals stealing the guns they used.

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Response to SavannahMan (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 09:54 AM

16. and alot of those stolen weapons are coming from the sticks

From the article:

Some guns are stolen from homes in cars and homes in the St. Louis metropolitan area, but there is a pipeline from rural counties where a higher percentage of residents own guns.

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Original post)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:32 PM

20. I'm shocked that people who commit crimes to obtain guns illegally

then use those guns for other illegal purposes. I though burglars and robbers went out, broke into people's homes and vehicles, stole weapons then took them home and used them for home protect against robbers and burglars.

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Response to Shredded Hedly (Original post)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 04:53 PM

22. if you're injured by a stolen car do you charge/sue the owner, or the thief?

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