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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:18 PM

Turkey 'on alert' as NATO convenes on ISIL invasion in northern Iraq

The state of Turkey was "on alert" late June 11 after 80 Turkish citizens, including Consul General Öztürk Yılmaz, have been taken hostage by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, as Turkish authorities talked to their U.S. counterparts on phone and briefed their NATO allies at an emergency meeting.

"All institutions of Turkey are on alert," Justice Minister Bekir Bozdağ has told the members of the Parliament, stressing that Ankara "takes all necessary initiatives in international organizations."

While Turkish Foreign Ministry established a crisis desk to help relatives of Turkish citizens abducted in Mosul, two key meetings were held in Ankara. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Deputy Prime Minister Beşir Atalay and National Intelligence Agency (MİT) chief Hakan Fidan convened at the prime ministry for an emergency meeting that lasted two hours.

The second meeting was presided by President Abdullah Gül. Beside the participants of the first meeting, Turkish Chief of Staff Necdet Özel was also present in the "evaluation" meeting that took longer than two hours. A public statement, scheduled to be released after this meeting, was ultimately cancelled.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-on-alert-as-nato-convenes-on-isil-invasion-in-northern-iraq.aspx?pageID=238&nID=67692&NewsCatID=359

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Attila Gorilla Jun 2014 #1
Troll2 Jun 2014 #2
Tolk Jun 2014 #3
Attila Gorilla Jun 2014 #4
Troll2 Jun 2014 #5
Attila Gorilla Jun 2014 #6
Troll2 Jun 2014 #7
Attila Gorilla Jun 2014 #8
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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:29 PM

1. How about if we just let Turkey take care of it?

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:35 PM

2. If they are attacked, they could invoke Article 4 of the NATO Treaty

It is not clear why they didn't, since their consulate in Mosul was overrun and diplomats are being held.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:38 PM

3. somehow I fear we are going to get dragged back in there

I really think we should let Russia and China have a go at it but I don't see that happening

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:41 PM

4. What is Article 4?

Would we even care if they evoked it? We're pretty good at ignoring things.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:47 PM

5. sorry, I should have said Article 5

Article 4
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

An attack on any one state is an attack on all.

If we ignored an attack on Turkey, the Treaty may fail -- especially since the UK is not getting along with the EU, the US is suing BNP Paribas, which the French are upset about, etc.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:51 PM

6. I still don't see us going back in.

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:56 PM

7. We might have to provide air support if we want to continue using Turkish air bases

For years we used Incirlik to do the air patrols of the no-fly zone over northern Iraq. I'm sure the Turks feel that we owe them to help clean up the mess we left on their border. If we don't they could kick us out of Turkey, and then we would not have those assets to watch Iran, watch Russia, support Georgia, etc.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:23 PM

8. I don't know.

It's a pretty damn serious situation. You know the White House is buzzing, pondering this very issue.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:09 AM

9. Maybe Turkey should have thought first about supporting terrorists.

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