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Tue May 13, 2014, 08:21 PM

New Mexico county defies U.S. government over cattle grazing

A rural New Mexico county has voted to defy the federal government and give a rancher's cattle access to a watering hole fenced off by the Forest Service in the latest dispute over federal control of public land in the U.S. West.

Commissioners in Otero County voted 2-0 on Monday night to authorize Sheriff Benny House to open a gate allowing nearly 200 head of cattle into the 23-acre area despite Forest Service restrictions. A third commissioner was out of town for the vote.

"We are reacting to the infringement of the U.S. Forest Service on the water rights of our land-allotment owners," Otero County Commissioner Tommie Herrell told Reuters. "People have been grazing there since 1956."

But a U.S. Forest Service spokesman said the fence has also been there for decades, protecting a delicate ecosystem surrounding a natural spring as well as an endangered species of mouse from being trampled by cattle.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/13/us-usa-newmexico-cattle-idUSBREA4C0XV20140513?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

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Reply New Mexico county defies U.S. government over cattle grazing (Original post)
Paul E. Ester May 2014 OP
David-Dvorkin May 2014 #1
island4diver May 2014 #2
Sag. May 2014 #3
island4diver May 2014 #4
MisterMan May 2014 #6
Conserve1 May 2014 #8
MisterMan May 2014 #9
Conserve1 May 2014 #13
island4diver May 2014 #10
MisterMan May 2014 #11
island4diver May 2014 #12
Sag. May 2014 #15
MisterMan May 2014 #5
Mondo May 2014 #7
In The Mood May 2014 #14
saundersnorvell May 2014 #16
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #17
Strange Luck May 2014 #18

Response to Paul E. Ester (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:13 PM

1. Oh, great

I hope the Feds have a good response in mind to these violations. The longer they ignore them, the more this will spread and the worse the situation will get.

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Response to David-Dvorkin (Reply #1)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:43 PM

2. the rancher owns the water rights

It is a conflict between state and federal law, and the supremacy clause does not apply here. Water rights is a BFD. It is also based on questionable science of cattle being a threat to a mouse that deer etc are not. What was Occupy doing? Violating city law and health codes by squatting on a public park. How is it different? While I agree with Occupy's anti Wall Street stance, but they were mostly over privileged 20 somethings living on handouts from businesses and parents. The guy with the cattle is looking at losing his business and home over a mouse. At the very least, the USFS should reimburse the rancher, whose cattle could die of dehydration.

These kinds of issues between county and state governments vs USFS and BLM have been going on for decades.

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Response to island4diver (Reply #2)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:10 PM

3. The report says the spring has been fenced and protected for years.

Where has the guy with cattle been watering them? Seems like water from the spring can be piped to a water system without destroying the ecosystem around the spring.



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Response to Sag. (Reply #3)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:59 PM

4. The article also says that the USFS

claims that the rancher helped them upgrade and replace the ageing fence, allowing cattle to get to the water. The rancher is staying out of it. After reading it a second time, I'm getting the impression that this county commissioner trying to use the "standing up to the feds" stunt and using the rancher as a pawn. IOW, starting a pissing match between the county and the feds to get re elected.
You really can't base much on a single newspaper article or blog post, especially if the writer doesn't look at the nuances of that place or industry.

During my 18 months in Otero County (Holloman AFB 30 years ago) didn't concern myself with their politics since I kept my Wyoming residency and voted in Wyoming via absentee.

My question is how does deer and other large native wildlife get to the spring?

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Response to island4diver (Reply #4)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:46 AM

6. Because deer are native animals and cattle are an invasive species

the end

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #6)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:06 AM

8. lol

"Chavez said the New Mexico meadow jumping mouse was expected to be listed as an endangered species in June, which would mean those 23 acres would be considered a critical habitat."

Jumping Mouse... really?

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Response to Conserve1 (Reply #8)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:08 AM

9. Yes - really

Conservatives are idiots when it comes to the environment and everything else.

yup

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #9)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:26 AM

13. Nice

Just like at DU.. if you don't agree you are an idiot.. There is no way in hell that 23 acres is crucial to the jumping mouses survival.. It is another BLM power trip..

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #6)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:35 AM

10. True, but

that doesn't give them the ability to magically walk through fences, unless it is low enough to allow for them to jump.

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Response to island4diver (Reply #10)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:08 AM

11. The fence was put there to keep the cattle from destroying the habitat - not to keep the deer out

n/t

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #11)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:11 AM

12. do you know the difference between how and why?

I'm talking about how, I already know why.

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Response to island4diver (Reply #12)

Sun May 18, 2014, 05:04 AM

15. I've known deer to jump a 6 foot fence, cattle are maintained within a 4 foot fence. nt

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Response to Paul E. Ester (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:43 AM

5. Deadbeat morons

Throw 'em in jail

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Response to Paul E. Ester (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:50 AM

7. Two out of three?

Hardly a landslide there... It's a stunt.

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Response to Paul E. Ester (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:03 AM

14. Hmmmm

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Response to Paul E. Ester (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 08:31 AM

16. If there is a spring that close by..within 23 acres. .

There should be ground water, no? If there is ground water, why not put in a large tank and either a windmill or a solar pump on the ranchers own land?

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Response to Paul E. Ester (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 08:45 AM

17. After reading the article,

 

this sounds more like a publicity stunt, the rancher himself helped the USFS upgrade the fence so that his cattle have access to the water and the article also stated that there are other waterholes on his property for the cattle to get water from.

Now, that said, most people that don't live in the western US have no clue as to the deep resentment towards the US Govt. about how much land is under their control, especially here in Nevada.
Westerners see it as an encroachment on the state's right to administer their land and there is deep distrust of the BLM and to a lesser extent, the USFS.

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Response to Paul E. Ester (Original post)

Sun May 18, 2014, 08:53 AM

18. Reminds me of how many in CA defied the US govt over medical Marijuana (nt)

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