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Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:44 PM

Call to inspect Israeli nuclear site defeated

In a 61-43 vote, the Inernational Atomic Energy Agency General Assembly on Thursday defeated a proposal submitted by Egypt and supported by Syria, Iran, Libya, and Iraq to force inspections on Israel's nuclear reactor in Dimona.

Israel had been working closely with the US and other Western allies behind the scenes in order to reach a majority that would block the proposal.

Israel has managed to block similar proposals in recent years, saying their purpose was mainly to single out Israel. But this was the first time the proposal was made in the context of the nuclear deal with Iran.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4701452,00.html

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Reply Call to inspect Israeli nuclear site defeated (Original post)
Strange Luck Sep 2015 OP
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #1
pavulon-lives Sep 2015 #2
toast-chef Sep 2015 #3
spike61 Sep 2015 #4
oldenuff35 Sep 2015 #5
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #6
spike61 Sep 2015 #7
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #9
spike61 Sep 2015 #12
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #13
.30M1 Sep 2015 #56
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #58
.30M1 Sep 2015 #59
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #61
.30M1 Sep 2015 #63
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #65
.30M1 Sep 2015 #66
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #67
.30M1 Sep 2015 #69
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #70
.30M1 Sep 2015 #77
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #78
.30M1 Sep 2015 #79
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_eek Sep 2015 #8
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #10
spike61 Sep 2015 #11
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #14
spike61 Sep 2015 #15
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #21
_eek Sep 2015 #23
spike61 Sep 2015 #25
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #26
_eek Sep 2015 #28
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #29
_eek Sep 2015 #32
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #33
_eek Sep 2015 #35
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #37
_eek Sep 2015 #41
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #43
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2015 #42
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #44
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2015 #47
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #49
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2015 #50
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #52
_eek Sep 2015 #54
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #60
TIMETOCHANGE Sep 2015 #72
Currentsitguy Sep 2015 #19
ol geezer Sep 2015 #20
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spike61 Sep 2015 #18
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #24
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Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #36
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Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #74
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Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #76
Currentsitguy Sep 2015 #16
GoodCraic Sep 2015 #31
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #39
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2015 #45
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #48
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2015 #51
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #53
_eek Sep 2015 #57
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2015 #62
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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:59 PM

1. More hypocracy from Israel

I`m shocked !

Shocked I tell you !

They have lied about their nuclear status since the 1960`s.

Did a research project on how Israel ( mossad ) stole nuclear material from Numec in Apollo, Pa. years ago. Quite an elaborate cover-up.

Except the secret`s out now.



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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:00 PM

2. This is sooo worrying

lets sell them some more F15's and weapon systems that are good for stomping on their asshole neighbors.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:16 PM

3. Well, well. Isn't that interesting.

Not at all hypocritical!

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:17 PM

4. Gee, lets "inspect" weapons that they've had for DECADES

and never threatened anyone with.

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Response to spike61 (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:29 PM

5. so true and they forget the "rest of the story"

Israel is not threatening to blow any other nation off the face of the earth.

Just a small detail that the left loves to ignore.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:40 PM

6. Double standard ?

They need to be inspected.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:56 PM

7. Inspected for what? Make sure they work? You have no grasp of reality

Iran gets inspected because they keep saying theyre not trying to build a bomb. Therefore inspections are needed to prove they are not. They ARE lying, of course, because no one builds a nuclear power facility 150 feet underground. Or turns down offers from other countries to build it FOR them.
But you know all that. You'd just rather side with Islamists instead of Jews.
Which one would cut your head off quickest??

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Response to spike61 (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:12 PM

9. There has never been an inspection of the Israeli nuke sites .....they don`t even ..

officially acknowledge that they even have nukes.

If other countries want to inspect the Israeli sites, then they should be inspected.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:14 PM

12. Again, inspected for what?

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Response to spike61 (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:18 PM

13. For grape kool-aid

Did you even read the original post on the thread ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:33 PM

56. Those other countries can pound sand too.

Butthurt all these decades over the ass kicking they received the last time they picked a fight with Israel. Not terribly smart are they?

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:37 PM

58. Me thinks they ( Israel ) protest too much

If ya got nothin` to hide, why make so much noise about refusing inspections ?

( crickets ...)



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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #58)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:40 PM

59. Why are these particular countries so interested?

Going by that line I guess you are perfectly fine with the NSA snooping in your files. Got nothin' to hide right?


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Response to .30M1 (Reply #59)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:48 PM

61. The proposed Iran deal has a lot of countries curious as to what the status ....

of all the players on the chess board is.

Your second statement is a false equivalency...not relevant.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #61)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:51 PM

63. It is relevant if you are honest.

Israel has no reason to keep their side of the board even against the others. Many reasons not to in fact. Anyone with a shred of historical understanding here knows this.

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #63)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:53 PM

65. Oh, so they are allowed to play dirty chess, eh ?

Always 1,001 excuses .

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #65)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:55 PM

66. When it's many against one then they get to do what they have to.

Ground rules of combat. Don't you know anything about the 6-day War here? Maybe you should post less here and go Wiki somethings. It will really help you out in the long run.

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #66)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:01 PM

67. Just proved my point



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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #67)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:12 PM

69. That you have a problem with honesty?

Proved that a few posts back...

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #69)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:18 PM

70. No...Israel has a problem with honesty.

But that is common knowledge.

You even tried to defend it with your twisted logic.



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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #70)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:17 PM

77. No they don't.

They have no obligation to the countries that attacked it. You have a twisted sense of logic indeed in you believe they do.

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #77)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:19 PM

78. What time is it in Tel Aviv ?

Are you on blog sentry duty ?

Looks that way.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #78)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:49 PM

79. Who knows, you can Google it though.

Looks like you have nothing left. Typical of you...

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Response to .30M1 (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 08:36 PM

80. Lets give them the same

deal we gave Iran. They can inspect themselves, at their convience. I think they are just pursuing a peaceful nuclear power option, just like Iran.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:06 PM

8. Are US stocks inspected by IAEA?

Full compliance, when Russia and the US do, I will advocate for the Israelis to join suit.

Obama loves him some unilateral action, go first.

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Response to _eek (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:13 PM

10. Has anyone asked to inspect the US nuke sites ?

Not that I know of.

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Response to _eek (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:13 PM

11. Russia & the US have inspected each other several times

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Response to spike61 (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:21 PM

14. So, Israel is the ONLY country with nukes that doesn`t have to be inspected ?

Now that takes the cake.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:23 PM

15. You still cant answer the simple question; inspect them for what?

Russia & the US have had several agreements. None involve Israel

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Response to spike61 (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:31 PM

21. Oh for crying out loud

Inspect them for what ?
Inspect them for what ?

The real question is why don`t they want them to be inspected ?

Must have something to hide.

Maybe because they can never explain exactly how they got the nuke material to begin with.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:33 PM

23. "Must have something to hide. "

Yup..


Guess what it is.

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Response to _eek (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:36 PM

25. A Middle East ass whippin!

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Response to _eek (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:42 PM

26. ok...I`ll play along...what ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #26)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:46 PM

28. Canned sunshine. Enough to Fermi up the entire Middle East.

Samson protocol. Worst kept secret since Libarace's sexuality was revealed...

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Response to _eek (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:50 PM

29. Mythological magic, eh ? ... Dead Sea is really a historic nuke explosion site . right ?

How `bout they stole some `serious sh_t` from the US a couple decades ago.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:07 PM

32. Or bought it and refined it..

hmmm?

I refer you to


http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=183158


Israel has most likely been in the club since late 60's early 70's.*

That's 45 years.. when did this master heist occur?

Dimona has been working heavy water since 1962 or so....


*There are reports Golda,( or Dayan) had bombs on Phantoms or Mirage sitting armed on the flightline


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Response to _eek (Reply #32)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:12 PM

33. They stole it

Numec - Apollo, Pa. 1960`s


I have first hand knowledge of this.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:19 PM

35. Oh, do you now..

I doubt it.

Very seriously.


Israel has a purposefully ambiguous status as a member of The Club. Deal with.. or don't, we don't really care..

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Response to _eek (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:27 PM

37. Spent several years researching some of the more shady aspects of ...

...this situation.

Names, dates, times,...

" we don`t really care .".....Who is " we " ?

Never mind.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:29 PM

41. Proud Jews..

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Response to _eek (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:35 PM

43. Proud of stealing stuff ?

Wouldn`t doubt that.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:34 PM

42. Gonna throw a BS flag on that

IF you have the evidence then post it

Something reliable

Not Infowars, or Global Research, Veterans Today as they have no credibility

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:36 PM

44. Classified

Just coz it can`t all be posted here doesn`t mean the research doesn`t exist.

It does.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #44)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:43 PM

47. Yeah I expected the call of duty answer

Should have also said Black Ops FTW....

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:47 PM

49. No...it`s not a military research thing

It`s for some other reason.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:48 PM

50. Oh I'm sure

Neighbor Sam's dog hasn't spilled the beans?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:56 PM

52. there are reasons

Cancer deaths in that area ( Apollo, Pa ) were off the charts.

There were all kinds of shady things going on.....family members hired private investigators.

Israel had their fingerprints all over the Op.

Don`t really care if you understand or not.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:29 PM

54. Mossad gonna get you?

They are everywhere bru...


?w=627


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Response to _eek (Reply #54)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:44 PM

60. LOL

You are not paying attention...

The research material is mostly medical and the Israeli stuff just randomly showed up during the course of the investigation.

Nuclear material has a side effect of causing cancer if not handled or stored properly.

There are names, dates, materials lists, transportation schedules, inventory sheets.....

Can you read between the lines now ?

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Response to _eek (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:58 PM

72. The Samson Protocol

 

is one of the whispered retaliation plans. Depending on who you know and who you talk to. The whispers are that Israel is prepared to detonate tactical nukes in every major city in the middle east, and a few more to boot in retaliation for invasion or ultimate defeat and that they've been working on this since the sixties as part of a MAD plan.

It's a good idea in my book. You help another country invade mine, your people die by the tens of millions unless I'm able to completely wipe your country out with nuclear oblivion, then they all die.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:30 PM

19. No

There are 2 (3 depending on how you look at it) others:

India
Pakistan
and North Korea (though there is a separate on again off again agreement)

You gotta sign the NPT treaty to be subject to inspections.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:30 PM

20. Kinda makes ya wonder huh?

What is so special about Israel? We prop them up with billions of dollars in aid and more billions in weapons, then Bernie Sanders should not be President because he is Jewish. or or or Take your pick.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:32 PM

22. India, Pakistan...Israel.

Non signatories aren't going to be inspected..

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:03 PM

81. Not sure

if N. Korea, India, Pakistan, France, England, China, or South Africia are inspected either.

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Response to spike61 (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:26 PM

17. And?

Reciprocal, guided and staged START photo ops..


Besides Israel has no declared weapons.. And the vote went against inspections.



I Actually think the thing has gone on long enough, Israel should declare, and furthermore agree with India to a reciprocation agreement.

Seriously everyone knows, time to quit with the cutesy logic.

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Response to _eek (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:29 PM

18. Oh, certainly photo ops.

Ol grumpy still cant answer the question WHAT would they be inspected FOR?

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Response to _eek (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:35 PM

24. Israel has been playing head games on this issue since the 1960`s

...and the US covers it up for them.

Interesting historical time-line on just how Israel got the nukes.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:42 PM

27. Belgium, France, England, the US..

South Africa.

All are complicit and involved.. So what?


Israe stole stuff, waaahhh..

Most likely not.
Israel has Dimona, and has bought fissiles from Europe, How much material do you think it takes to make sunshine anyway?

Do you really even know anything about Israel? Her tech level, manufacturing base, and military capabilities?


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Response to _eek (Reply #27)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:53 PM

30. Dimona ?

Oh, one of those sites that no one is allowed to inspect ?

Oh, THAT Dimona.

Yes, I know more than I want to know about Israel.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:16 PM

34. "Yes, I know more than I want to know about Israel."

I venture to say you KNOW very little on the IDF and its capabilities, nor it's very advanced MIC.

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Response to _eek (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:22 PM

36. Comical

More mythological tales of super-human strength and magic ?

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:28 PM

38. yup like Iron Dome and Iron Beam...

***Magic***

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:30 PM

55. As soon as you demand Iran to open their military sites to inspection which the deal

does not require.

Open Pakistan and Afghanistan, Russia and the U.S. then lets deal with Israel.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:02 PM

73. They are inspected...they decided to inspect it themselves like Iran.

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Response to brew9876 (Reply #73)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:10 PM

74. uh-huh

Typical bullsh_t.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #74)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:13 PM

75. You forgot the "i" in bullshit

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Response to brew9876 (Reply #75)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 07:16 PM

76. Didn`t want to get slammed for using bad language !

Blog trickery.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 03:24 PM

16. One major difference here

Iran is a signatory to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, Israel is not, along with Pakistan India, and South Sudan, so the UN has no real authority there.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:02 PM

31. Israel's weapons are for defensive purposes. Iran's not so much.

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Response to GoodCraic (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:28 PM

39. Israel doesn`t even admit to having them

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:39 PM

45. The best headgame is to make your enemy THINK you have a massive retaliatory capability

Say as an example you drop a hint that nuclear attack on you, would result in Mecca becoming a glowing parking lot for the next 500 years....

Look at FUSAG in Early 1944 under Patton. Totally fake army, but made the OKW soil itself wondering where he would land in Festung Europa....


North Korea does it every month

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #45)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:44 PM

48. good point

It just gets old hearing about all the bluster about what a badazz IDF thinks it is.

If anything, it would be the black-ops that is probably the most viable option.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:50 PM

51. I wouldn't want to face the IDF on the battlefield, they are motivated not to lose

since their families survival is at stake

YMMV

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #51)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:02 PM

53. ok...I conceed that point

But their nuke situation "ain`t " what they say it is.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #53)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:36 PM

57. But you claim knowledge of their perfidy..

So which is it lying Jews.. or lying Jews...

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Response to _eek (Reply #57)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:51 PM

62. who said anything about jews ?

We are discussing government strategy.

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Response to GoodCraic (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:28 PM

40. Precisely the converse is true

Israel's nuclear weapons allow them to be an aggressor state in the Middle East (and they are the major aggressor in the Middle East 2nd only to the United States.) Israel's nuclear weapons systems include 3rd and 4th generation nuclear weapons (think "neutron bomb") and the missiles with which to launch them. Israel has a very strong 1st strike nuclear capability in the Middle East as well as the mentality to initiate one.

Iran's nuclear weapons don't exist. Further, the nation of Iran has not been an aggressor. The delusions of the American/Israeli propaganda system make these facts very difficult for most Americans to comprehend.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:42 PM

46. ''as well as the mentality to initiate one''- Yet never have, not even in October 1973

Belies your aggressor claims....

Iran supplied EFP in Iraq to kill US troops
Iran Kidnapped and killed US troops in Iraq
Iran has IRGC Advisors in Lebanon with Hezbollah to kill Israelis and Lebanese
Iran Supplies Hezbollah to kill Israelis and Lebanese

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 05:53 PM

64. this post is so far from reality I won't waste a minute

To respond.

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Response to GoodCraic (Reply #64)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:06 PM

68. Yeah you wouldn't want to invest any time in actually discovering the truth.

'cause what matters is your emotions and the propaganda system!

You fell very confident of your position because it is backed up by the media almost daily. US media is incredibly biased towards Israel but I'm sure you are completely unaware of that simple fact so you choose to live oblivious to the truth because your mind has been so controlled that you can't even contemplate an alternative reality which coincidentally happens to be correct.

Meanwhile noted intellectual and MIT professor emeritus Noam Chomsky explains my position:

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/9/22/noam_chomsky_the_united_states_not

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #68)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:53 PM

71. Noams expertise is Linguistics, he's a dilettante in politics

so in politics, Not much different than the man smelling of wee on the subway barking at the moon

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:58 AM

82. "Iran's nuclear weapons don't exist." - ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

Injecting facts into a thread like this spoils the party . . . . . .



CC

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