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Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:02 AM

Gun homicides have dropped 30% since 1993

while simultaneously the number of guns, gun owners, and concealed carry has expanded exponentially.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/
Gun homicides steady after decline in ’90s; suicide rate edges up
Between 1993 and 2000, the gun homicide rate dropped by nearly half, from 7.0 homicides to 3.8 homicides per 100,000 people. Since then, the gun homicide rate has remained relatively flat. From 2010 to 2013, the most recent year data are available, the number of gun homicides has hovered between 11,000 and 12,000 per year.

The nation’s overall gun death rate has declined 30% since 1993. This total includes homicides and suicides, in addition to a smaller number of fatal police shootings, accidental shooting deaths and those of undetermined intent. For example, in 2013 there were 467 fatal police shootings, up from 333 in 2009. (Government data on fatal police shootings are also collected and reported by the FBI, though the agency acknowledges there are discrepancies between federal and local law enforcement counts.)

The rate of nonfatal gun victimizations declined in a similar way to the gun death rate, with a large drop in the 1990s – 63% between 1993 and 2000. The decline since then has been more uneven. In 2014, there were 174.8 nonfatal violent gun victimizations per 100,000 people ages 12 and older.

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Response to Jack Burton (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:14 AM

1. But gunhumpers and ammosexuals and blood on the streets!

and all the other crap the half wit gun control extremists spew forth. Kind of blows a hole in their "more guns = more crime" bullshit theory.

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Response to Jack Burton (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:21 AM

2. At least 30% and up to 56% according to the FBI UCR through 2014.

18,300 in 1993 to 8,124 in 2014. ATF estimated 223,000,000 firearms in private stocks in 1993 and has estimated 170,000,000 have been added since.

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Response to Jack Burton (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:56 AM

3. I'll look forward to your raising hell.....

the next time we get one of those Out Of Control Weekend Shootings In Chicago reports from the ever-vigilant DI Minority Crimes Reporting League. Seeing as how things are so much better with the guns, and all.....

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Response to saspamco (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:10 AM

4. How can there be any shootings in Chicago?

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It is a gun free city run by Democrats.

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Response to saspamco (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:46 AM

5. Look forward to your absence in that thread.

You seldom seem to have anything to really add to them.

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Response to saspamco (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:03 PM

6. If the gun laws on the books were properly enforced in Chicago and punishment was swift ...

and certain, gun violence would drop significantly.

Gun Laws Blamed For Chicago's Holiday Weekend Shooting Surge
The Huffington Post | By Joseph Erbentraut
Posted: 07/07/2014 3:55 pm EDT Updated: 07/08/2014 10:59 am EDT

After a violent holiday weekend during which 11 people were killed and more than 60 others were wounded in shootings -- two of the deaths and five of the woundings at the hands of police officers -- Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said Monday that the city's gun sentencing laws aren't strict enough to help police stem city violence.

"It all comes down to these guns: there's too many guns coming in and too little punishment going out," McCarthy said in a Monday press conference.

In a news release, McCarthy noted police have seized over 3,300 illegal firearms so far this year, but said many gun offenders quickly return to the street because sentences for those caught carrying illegally are too lax
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/07/chicago-weekend-shootings-gun-laws_n_5564565.html

Gun shy: Lighter sentences in Cook County fuel lock 'em up debate

WRITTEN BY SUN-TIMES STAFF POSTED: 11/29/2014, 09:00AM

Cook County judges aren’t throwing the book at people convicted of gun crimes, a Chicago Sun-Times analysis has found.

One year in prison is the minimum sentence in Illinois for illegal possession of a gun. The maximum is three.

For the more serious charge of being a felon in possession of a gun, the minimum sentence is two years in prison. The maximum is 10 years.

In Chicago, felons illegally possessing a gun typically get four years, the Sun-Times found — toward the low end of the state sentencing guidelines.

And those are the sentences judges hand out, not the actual prison time. Most people convicted of these gun crimes serve less than half of their prison terms because of “good time” that inmates can get credit for under state law, in addition to credit for time held in the Cook County Jail while awaiting trial.(...emphasis added)

New York, by comparison, has a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 3 1/2 years for simple gun possession.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/147574/gun-shy-lighter-sentences-in-cook-county-fuel-lock-em-up-debate

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Response to Jack Burton (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:17 PM

7. I thought Pew was better than that...

note the compression in the charts at the link-- the 7 years from '97 to 2000 take up almost half the chart, while the next 13 years take up a little less than half.

Yes, there was an unexplained reduction in gun violence during the late 90's, but was that after a similarly unexplained spike? And is the apparent fact that we are now in a steady state of gun violence supposed to be a good thing?

These raw numbers need some background explanation before anyone can argue or pontificate over them.

(But that won't stop many here...)

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:30 PM

8. Well start your own polling/research center then

Otherwise just another anonymous internet critic with no evidence

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:38 PM

9. Is that your only comment? Can't think of anything better...

to make it look like the Pew article fully supports whatever feeble agenda you have?

I am simply pointing out that this article is missing some important data. I don't care enough to dig it out, but I'm not using the article to push some agenda.

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:18 PM

10. so you care enough to make a claim but not enough to prove it?

That doesn't bode well for your claim.

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:25 PM

12. No need to add anything more to your claim since you don't support it with anything tangible

Your post was the equivalent ''Purple Monkey Dishwasher......''

You didn't support it and frankly why should anyone believe your version?

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:21 PM

11. what chart are you looking

The two in the link have very consistent scaling.

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