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Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:39 PM

Spot-on commentary by DI poster rh24 on this issue - FURTHER edit update, 2/8/2016

Last edited Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:30 PM - Edit history (5)

Are you kidding? The liberal elite?
Most of those who fetishize refugees and immigrants from third world shit-holes..fancy themselves true cosmopolitans. Not because they want to live next to the little dears or send their kids to the same school with all the little Mohammeds and Hijabis. No, they prefer their cultural enrichment take place from a safe distance. They like to go to some little fetid Paki dive or wear some macrame trinket famously fashioned by an Ethiopian migrant, but that is the extent of it.

Nope. It is the poor and working classes that get to experience their cultural enrichment up close and personal. Like this poor little boy and all the women assaulted in Cologne on NYE.

But, hey: You gotta break a few eggs on the way to Utopia, right? If a 10 year old boy is raped or a few hundred women get sexually assaulted in public in a town square, it is a small sacrifice for the greater good of a delusional liberal shibboleth, er, I mean society.



Poor, poor widdle liberals can't handle the truth....


UPDATED: Sweden is to introduce temporary border controls in the south of the country from noon tomorrow, according to Swedish Minister for Home Affairs, Anders Ygeman.

Border controls on Öresund bridge and ferry routes.
Migration agency boss: we can no longer do our job.
Greens back changes.

Ygeman told a press conference in Stockholm on Wednesday evening that the Swedish Migration Board (Migrationsverket) had asked the government today for the introduction of border controls.

Therefore border controls will be implemented at noon tomorrow and apply initially for 10 days, said Ygeman.

*snip*

Ygeman also said that the Swedish police had judged that the Schengen area trigger points regarding threat to internal order and security have been activated and so allow border controls to be introduced.

More at link:

http://www.thelocal.se/20151111/sweden-set-to-mount-border-checks

Is Europe finally waking up to the slow-motion catastrophe wading onto their shores?

EDIT UPDATE 11/25/15:

Sweden slams shut its open-door policy towards refugees

Sweden needs “respite” from the tens of thousands of refugees knocking at its door, the government has said, announcing tough measures to deter asylum seekers in a sharp reversal of its open-door policy towards people fleeing war and persecution.

The country’s generous asylum regime would revert to the “EU minimum”, Sweden’s prime minister, Stefan Löfven, said on Tuesday, revealing that most refugees would receive only temporary residence permits from April.

Identity checks would be imposed on all modes of transport, and the right to bring families to Sweden would be severely restricted, he said

*snip*

Sweden’s new asylum regime will apply for three years.

More at link: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/sweden-asylum-seekers-refugees-policy-reversal

Someone down-thread in this OP was flatly wrong, and needs to own it.

New update, 1/28/2016:

Up to 80,000 refugees who arrived in Sweden last year will be expelled from the country over the next few years, the country's interior minister said Thursday.

Anders Ygeman told newspaper Dagens Industri that since about 45 percent of asylum applications are currently rejected, the country must get ready to send back tens of thousands of the 163,000 who sought shelter in Sweden in 2015.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/28/sweden-to-deport-up-to-80000-refugees.html

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Zimm_Man_Fan Nov 2015 OP
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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:49 PM

1. Since Sweden is the left's favorite country, we ought to have consensus now on securing the border.

 

Right?

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Response to shortviking (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:57 PM

5. You'd think so - even the Left has got realize that what's going on is a form

of slow-motion national suicide. But with the Left, one never can expect anything amounting to common sense to break out, even under the tremendous of the facts.

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Response to shortviking (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:27 PM

12. The leftist mind does not work that way.

If conservatives or republicans are for it automatically they are against it.
Does not matter if for years they praised Swedens policies they will bite off their nose to spite their face.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:20 PM

17. Maybe we ought to use reverse psychology on them.

We should start demanding open borders, gun control, and the defunding of police departments all over the nation and then "reluctantly acquiesce" once libs go into their default mode de résistance of high-pitched screams, childish name-calling and chronic bed-wetting. Just imagine an America where it's considered un-PC and even bigoted to be against strictly controlled borders and the police and..........
.......on second thought, I can't either. Oh well, it was just a thought.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:50 PM

2. mm hmm

 

According to Ygeman the introduction of border controls means that refugees coming to Sweden face three choices: to return to the country they came from, seek asylum in Sweden or select a different route (if Sweden had been chosen as a transit country).
So do we all know what the Schengen area means?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area
The Schengen Area is the area comprising 26 European countries that have abolished passport and any other type of border control at their common borders, also referred to as internal borders. It mostly functions as a single country for international travel purposes, with a common visa policy. The Area is named after the Schengen Agreement. Countries in the Schengen Area have eliminated border controls with the other Schengen members and strengthened border controls with non-Schengen states.
If you enter France, for example, you may continue on to any other Schengen member country without needing another visa, or even showing your passport. This includes Sweden.

A country may effectively opt out of that arrangement, citing internal order and security, and resume controlling entries at its borders with other member countries.

This is what Sweden is doing. Why?

Mikael Hvinlund of Swedish Migration Board told the press conference that the agency had asked for border controls because it can no longer fulfil its mission.

"We can no longer guarantee shelter."
And oh look:

Green Party migration spokeswoman Magda Rasmusson said in a statement that the border checks “do not mean that the right to have your asylum case heard has changed for those who come here.”

Doesn't look quite the way you wanted it to look, does it?

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Response to i verglas (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:04 PM

7. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE TO READ

 

or think, or whatever someone might be averse to:

Sweden is NOT preventing anyone from entering Sweden and making an asylum claim. NOT.

Sweden is simply declining to apply the Schengen Area rules that allow free movement among European member countries without border controls.

Sweden is NOT preventing anyone from entering Sweden and making an asylum claim.

NOT.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:07 PM

8. Thanks for the Schengen explanation and the link.

I'm not surprised that Swedish officials are attempting to minimize the nature of this dramatic shift in policy; it's hard for folks who have been on the wrong side of an issue to do a complete 180 without a nod to the rhetorical niceties. And this is a dramatic shift in policy, no one can doubt.

I'll wager three things:

1. Those "20-day" border control periods will from henceforward be extended indefinitely - kinda like daylight savings time has been since it was introduced as a "temporary," emergency wartime measure during The Big One.

2. That those applications for "asylum" will increasingly be speedily denied, and the criminal invaders sent just as speedily on their way back to where they belong.

3. That as the Swedish people come to realize that they CAN exercise sovereign control over their country, their people, and their culture, they will eschew tender rhetoric and embrace robust assertion of their rights to be free of criminal invaders.

Bank it!

Thanks again for your reply, and the "Schengen" border crossing explanation - I hadn't know that.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:12 PM

9. guess I'll bookmark it for future reference

 

2. That those applications for "asylum" will increasingly be speedily denied, and the criminal invaders sent just as speedily on their way back to where they belong.

http://www.unhcr-northerneurope.org/where-we-work/sweden/
Sweden joined the European Union (EU) in 1995 and the Schengen area in 2001. In 1954, Sweden ratified the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, and acceded to its Protocol in 1967. Sweden ratified the 1954 Convention Relating to the Status of Stateless Persons in 1965, and acceded to the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness in 1969. Sweden is a member of UNHCR’s Executive Committee (ExCom).
You might want to read up on the Convention it.

This was my bible for a decade and you'll find it a great help:
HANDBOOK AND GUIDELINES ON PROCEDURES AND CRITERIA FOR DETERMINING REFUGEE STATUS under the 1951 Convention and the 1967 Protocol relating to the Status of Refugees

(edit: unlike the US, other signatories to the Convention live up to their responsibilities by applying its criteria honestly rather than dishonestly denying asylum to claimants from their puppet/client states)

And then you will have learned two things in one day.


But first, let me know how much you're betting.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:36 PM

29. I reckon the odds of my wager paying cash on demand just went up. WAY up:

I'll wager three things:

1. Those "20-day" border control periods will from henceforward be extended indefinitely - kinda like daylight savings time has been since it was introduced as a "temporary," emergency wartime measure during The Big One.

2. That those applications for "asylum" will increasingly be speedily denied, and the criminal invaders sent just as speedily on their way back to where they belong.

3. That as the Swedish people come to realize that they CAN exercise sovereign control over their country, their people, and their culture, they will eschew tender rhetoric and embrace robust assertion of their rights to be free of criminal invaders.

What say you?

Keep that bookmark handy.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:47 AM

30. You lost the bet - see the edit update. When you get back from timeout,

you might want to take the time to pay up on a lost wager.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:06 AM

34. Oops AGAIN! You continue to lose, even in your well-deserved involuntary absence:

Sweden and Denmark have moved to drastically reduce inward refugee flows, as Scandinavian countries compete with each other to shed their reputations as havens for asylum seekers.

For the first time since the 1950s, from midnight on Sunday travellers by train, bus or boat have needed to present a valid photo ID, such as a passport, to enter Sweden from its southern neighbour Denmark, with penalties for travel operators who fail to impose checks. Passengers who fail to present a satisfactory document will be turned back.

“The government now considers that the current situation, with a large number of people entering the country in a relatively short time, poses a serious threat to public order and national security,” the government said in a statement accompanying legislation enabling the border controls.

Hours after the Swedish checks were introduced, Denmark announced it had stepped up border controls on its southern boundary with Germany.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/03/sweden-to-impose-id-checks-on-travellers-from-denmark

You are, of course, the most intellectually dishonest and factually-challenged poster DI has ever seen - just as you were over at DU - so you will not acknowledge your rank, manifest error.

But once again: you lose.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:44 PM

38. I ignored your repetition of nothing

 

But here you go.

2. That those applications for "asylum" will increasingly be speedily denied,
and the criminal invaders sent just as speedily on their way back to where they belong.

See whether you can focus your mind on the matter at hand, and provide what proof you have of that statement.

You know, the one my comment was directed to.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:33 PM

39. You lost the debate, and anyone who takes the time to scroll through the thread

for themselves will see that indisputably. Or indubitably. Deal.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:11 PM

41. "Sweden to deport up to 80,000 refugees" --> 1/28/2016

Up to 80,000 refugees who arrived in Sweden last year will be expelled from the country over the next few years, the country's interior minister said Thursday.

Anders Ygeman told newspaper Dagens Industri that since about 45 percent of asylum applications are currently rejected, the country must get ready to send back tens of thousands of the 163,000 who sought shelter in Sweden in 2015.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/28/sweden-to-deport-up-to-80000-refugees.html

Your narrative on this issue continues to crumble, just like your credibility on any number of issues on DI, as you lose debate after debate after debate. That eleventh wave (or whatever it's up to now among womyn disgruntled with what Mother Nature has made them) feminism you're so fond of simply doesn't equip its adherents for the ability to employ logic, data, and FACTS to wrestle with the larger world.

I win again - striking a blow for Da Patriarchy!

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:12 PM

44. see post 42, added in wrong place

 

Just to maintain the chronology ...

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Response to i verglas (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 06:32 PM

26. America, Canada, and Mexico should make a "Schengen area" out of the North American continent.

It would solve the problem of undocumented immigration from Mexico.

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Response to Argentina (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:21 PM

27. the US would like nothing better when it comes to Canada

 

We in Canada aren't quite prepared to give up our sovereignty, although Harper was working on it. The North American Security Perimeter.

http://rabble.ca/news/2011/04/north-american-security-perimeter-should-be-election-issue-0

These things work among like-minded nations. There are a lot of things on which Canada and the US are not like-minded, and many of us don't care for the loss of control over our information, and various other consequences, that would flow.

But I see what you did there.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:57 PM

40. You do know what this means, right?

The EU as any sort of a unified political entity is now doomed. This is exactly the event that EU officials were most afraid was about to happen. Now, they won't be able to stop the next domino.

Once they resume border controls, you can bet that the velvet rope isn't going to have much slack. You can also bet these "temporary measures" are going to rapidly become more permanent and more stringent.

The people in power may be your kind of people, but at the end of the day, they are nothing more than self-serving politicians. They know that when the wind blows, there are two kinds of politicians just like there are two kinds of trees. Ones that bow with the wind and survive, and the ones who don't and get blown over. They like their phony jobs.

Germany will be next. Greece will be no more than a day behind them. The central and eastern European countries won't be far behind.

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Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:57 PM

4. Is that what you call it?

"Helping?"

LOL

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Response to Post removed (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:58 PM

6. Heh - that's an awesome cartoon.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:17 PM

10. maybe you should start a new thread and repost it for us!

 

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Response to i verglas (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:20 PM

18. watch this space.



















....I keed, I keed! Jeepers.

Still shouldn't have been hidden, but I've had about enough fun with *placeholders* as it is. Too much fun.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:30 PM

13. Unfortunately he hurt somebodies feelings. Hidden.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:36 PM

14. maybe someone will post the results

 

I'd like to meet the Muslim hereabouts whose feelings were hurt, I guess.

Or the Swede. If I were a Swede, I'd be pretty pissed.

edit: at the cartoon, eh, not the hide ...

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Response to i verglas (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:41 PM

15. Here:

Jury Service
Mail Message
On Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:01 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

They'll be helping the Refugees go back
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=200298

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is uncivil, off-topic, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

pure racist bigoted garbage

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of Discussionist members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:15 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Reminiscent of Nazi propaganda posters! Typical!
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Does this racist bullshit need an explanation?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Looks very similar to Nazi-era propaganda. Hide this shit.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:21 PM

19. interesting two juror comments

 

I have said the same about some of Charlie Hebdo's efforts.

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Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 08:32 PM

28. Juror #4 apparently thinks Muslim is a race, poor thing...

Sad to be so uninformed.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:43 PM

16. In reality 4libs were on the jury and got even with gunslinger.

They did not care about the cartoon only to get a hide on gunslinger.
Pretty vindictive buts that the jury system.
Get called for jury system everyday and get alerted on everyday and all vindictive alerts just trying to get a hide.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:24 PM

20. That's about the size of it. Happened to me with this most recent kerfuffle

over the indicted cops who looked like thugs to me, and I said so in perfectly reasonable post. That was my measured opinion - it had nothing to do with their ethnics, but some alerter sent it to four liberal jurors who suspended their critical judgement in order to censor an author they don't like.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:24 PM

21. uh huh

 

Interesting how the four jurors who voted to hide all gave coherent reasons ... and the three who didn't were mute.

I find that is consistently true when it's the right wing using an alert to silence an adversary, only in reverse: it's the ones voting to hide who have nary a word to say to explain their decision, while the ones who don't vote to hide generally have something to say.

Odd pattern, isn't it?

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Response to i verglas (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:30 PM

22. Any jury I am on I never hide but usually say something about the alerter.

Personally saw nothing wrong with the gunslinger post just 4 libs using the racecard to get a hide on gunslinger.
It was a political cartoon not nazi propaganda.

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Response to Dexter Morgan (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:43 PM

24. You say tomato, I say "get a brain, moran."

"It was a political cartoon not nazi propaganda."

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Response to magdrop (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 01:22 PM

25. The very same morons that see imaginary shit swastikas.

But they are humorless, easily manipulated drones

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:07 PM

35. Ha!! I wish IV could come out from one of her interminable time outs to eat her hearty helping

of crow!!

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Response to rh24 (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:13 PM

36. Order up! I got a whole plate of that crow right here for her!

And you and I both know she can't stay away from this place despite her stated disdain for it on her profile page, even on timeout - chow down, IV!

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:48 PM

37. I can't wait for her no less than 100, 000 word defense of the Raping Muslim Mob in Cologne.

Although the farm team here is doing their damnedest to rationalize it.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 08:21 PM

54. And more timely than ever, given your update!

I encourage everyone to look at Gunslinger's hidden post!

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Response to rh24 (Reply #54)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:46 PM

55. Yep! And it's still a disgrace that it was hidden at the time, you are

exactly right.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 05:21 PM

11. My favorite gif ever.

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Response to Thorson (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:12 PM

56. It is a pretty awesome one - which is why some delicate flower alerted it

and unfortunately got it hidden. Truth hurts.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:06 PM

23. Bullshit hide for Gunslinger. Bought to us by the same fruitcakes that see imaginary Shit Swastikas

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:54 AM

31. Yup...the left wants us to join the "rest of the civilized world" in all areas...

...except border protection. PC principle is in full control.

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Response to Supercalifragilistic (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:56 AM

32. Well said, and exactly right. n/t.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Original post)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 02:59 PM

42. "That those applications for 'asylum' will increasingly be speedily denied"

 

I suppose someone somewhere sometime claimed that people who make unfounded asylum claims will be given permanent resident permits in Sweden.

Let me know if you find that person, and I will let them know they were mistaken.

The "EU minimum" of a three-year temporary residence permit for successful asylum claimants does not allow for refoulement at the end of that period.

I doubt you've ever seen that word before, so I'll help you out some more. Aren't you lucky to have an expert handy?

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.html?ftuId=FTU_5.12.2.html
The aim of EU asylum policy is to harmonise asylum procedures in the Member States by establishing common asylum arrangements, with a view to offering appropriate status to any third-country national requiring international protection and ensuring compliance with the principle of non-refoulement.

... The objectives are to develop a common policy on asylum, subsidiary protection and temporary protection, with a view to offering an appropriate status to all third-country nationals who need international protection, and to ensure that the principle of non-refoulement is observed.
Hm, you may be needing more basic help than that. Google refoulement and google offers you:
re·foule·ment
rəˈfo͞olmäN/
noun
Law
noun: refoulement; plural noun: refoulements
the forcible return of refugees or asylum seekers to a country where they are liable to be subjected to persecution.
"international and EU law prohibit refoulement"The principle of non-refoulement does not apply to:
about 45 percent of asylum applications <that> are currently rejected(although some countries, like Canada, maintain a policy of not returning people to danger zones, even if they are do not have a well-founded fear of personal persecution), and Sweden has no plan to refoule people whose asylum claims are founded under the convention, and you were never talking about people whose asylum claims in Sweden are unfounded.

Just keep asking, and I'll keep doing what I can to help you.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:05 PM

43. This utterly non responsive post is laughable: you have been proven incorrect.

Even as an attempt to save face, it's a barren jumble of words totally unrelated to the specific issue at hand.

2. That those applications for "asylum" will increasingly be speedily denied, and the criminal invaders sent just as speedily on their way back to where they belong. ^---What I said, way back when.

Sweden to deport up to 80,000 refugees ^----Here's what's happening, today. Deal.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:17 PM

45. ah, the tendency to equivocate

 

It's my favourite personality trait.

Yes of course, when you started down this dusty trail, you were really saying that entrants who had no well-founded fear of persecution under the Convention in their country or origin would be removed, while those with founded claims would be given immediate citizenship and a big wet smooch.

That's what you were saying.

You weren't saying that people with a genuine fear of persecution would be refouled from Sweden regardless of the outcome of their claim (or after being denied their right under Swedish and European law to make have a claim determined).

Nooo, not you.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:59 PM

48. Now you're just telling big windies, as is your wont when you find yourself

losing the debate. Here's what I stated:

2. That those applications for "asylum" will increasingly be speedily denied, and the criminal invaders sent just as speedily on their way back to where they belong.
^---What I said, way back when.

Sweden to deport up to 80,000 refugees
^----Here's what's happening, today.

All your insipid word salad's aside, I was proven exactly right and you have been proven precisely wrong. AGAIN.

Deal.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:06 PM

49. To be sure, here's all THREE things I stated, all sustained by reality on the ground

in Sweden:

I'll wager three things:

1. Those "20-day" border control periods will from henceforward be extended indefinitely - kinda like daylight savings time has been since it was introduced as a "temporary," emergency wartime measure during The Big One.

2. That those applications for "asylum" will increasingly be speedily denied, and the criminal invaders sent just as speedily on their way back to where they belong.

3. That as the Swedish people come to realize that they CAN exercise sovereign control over their country, their people, and their culture, they will eschew tender rhetoric and embrace robust assertion of their rights to be free of criminal invaders.

Bank it!

The border controls are still in place and tightening every single day; Sweden is now deporting 80,000 criminal invaders with more to come; and a Right-wing renaissance is taking place in Sweden as we speak, with the native peoples of that fair land waking up to the realities on what they have unleashed on their women, their culture, and their peace of mind and safety of body.

And good for them! That fact that I won this debate on the other side of the world is a very small thing compared to the waking up of the Swedish people.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:22 PM

50. give your bedfellows a big smooch from me

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement

So you suppose they concur with you that
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=30153
nothing ... would or could ever compel me to renounce the irrefutable fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
?

Faith and not works, I guess.

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Response to i verglas (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:32 PM

51. 1. Godwins Law invoked signals a definitive debate win for Zimm!

I'm a poet and didn't know it.

2. I stand by every word in that linked post of mine. I wish you, too, could come to that "peace that passes all understanding," yourself. Perhaps one day you will, as Roads to Damascus can be long, winding, and full of ups and downs and obstacles that this thing called life seems to strew in our respective paths.

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:22 PM

52. and a win for Sweden. There are but two ways to prevent "refugees" from causing

these problems.

1. Do not allow them entry in the first place

2. Expel those that are already there.

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Response to Tin Ear (Reply #52)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:33 PM

53. Absolutely right! And that goes for right her in the United States, too.

Glad to see Sweden's waking up; our wake-up call I hope is coming on Nov. 8, 2016!

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Response to Zimm_Man_Fan (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:22 PM

46. The Times They Are a Changin

Sweden and Denmark, the left's favorite countries and Bernie's, have come to their senses at last.

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Response to Tin Ear (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:57 PM

47. Yup - 80,000 being expelled as we speak, and more to follow. Reality is

waking the people of Europe up at last.

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