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Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

Iran releases video of Sailors Seizure




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Reply Iran releases video of Sailors Seizure (Original post)
Gunslinger201 Jan 2016 OP
Bob the Bilderberger Jan 2016 #1
Gunslinger201 Jan 2016 #3
joefriday6 Jan 2016 #2
nolens volens Jan 2016 #4
Gunslinger201 Jan 2016 #5
Strange Luck Jan 2016 #16
Cave Dweller Jan 2016 #17
Strange Luck Jan 2016 #20
Gunslinger201 Jan 2016 #18
Time Jan 2016 #6
rh24 Jan 2016 #7
marmot84 Jan 2016 #8
Gunslinger201 Jan 2016 #9
Badsamm Jan 2016 #10
Gunslinger201 Jan 2016 #11
marmot84 Jan 2016 #24
Gunslinger201 Jan 2016 #25
Badsamm Jan 2016 #29
Gunslinger201 Jan 2016 #30
marmot84 Jan 2016 #22
Cave Dweller Jan 2016 #19
marmot84 Jan 2016 #23
Cave Dweller Jan 2016 #26
marmot84 Jan 2016 #27
Gamle-ged Jan 2016 #31
Strange Luck Jan 2016 #12
_eek Jan 2016 #13
Strange Luck Jan 2016 #14
_eek Jan 2016 #15
liberalguy Jan 2016 #21
Doctor_R Jan 2016 #28
Ben_Ghazi Jan 2016 #32

Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:28 PM

1. I can't believe the sailors didn't shoot it out

Since the USS Pueblo happened, we were told that we weren't to surrender but to shoot it out to the last man.

Must be the new rules in Obama's navy.

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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:32 PM

3. I thought of the Pueblo when I saw that too

Realistically speaking it would take roughly 3 hours to give the entire Iranian Navy their Practical Factors in Survival Swimming

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:29 PM

2. Not this guy?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:44 PM

4. I wonder

if their ROEs prevented them from defending themselves?

When you have to wait for radio confirmation to the pull the trigger people can get killed or in this case captured while waiting for a decision.

Best ROEs I ever had were NOT while serving the US Army.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:46 PM

5. Something smells, now they are saying they drove the boats out of there

I thought one was broken?

Yeah, we need to learn more

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:05 PM

16. Why do you need to learn more, it's all obama's fault, right? Requires no thinking at all (nt)

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:11 PM

17. If he can take credit

for killing Bin Laden, he can take credit for this.

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Response to Cave Dweller (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:18 PM

20. And what is 'this'?

Did he personally give the go ahead for this, approve the plan, etc?

First it was "Obama is weak, we won't get them back till we get a real president!" and then that didn't work out as cons were hoping it would and so now they blame him for boat issues, etc.

Keep reaching and just like always you won't be able to grasp anything.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:14 PM

18. Did the Boat Break or not?

I was on Active Duty in that part of the World (it was a long time ago, granted)

Last night they said one of the Boats had Engine Trouble

Today they say both were driven out

Did the Iranian Fonz put a Golden Monkeywrench to it?

This was to humiliate the Country and Obama won't do shit




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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:53 PM

6. "loss of confidence in ability to command"

why would soldiers fight, if the commander in chief is not backing them up?

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:53 PM

7. THe timing was perfect. They released the images just as Secretary of State Lurch was

thanking the Iranian government.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 12:54 PM

8. Iran is claiming that they strayed into Iranian Territorial waters

If this is true then they were in the wrong and should have expected to be detained.

I find it odd that the Republicans here are jumping to the conclusion that this was an aggressive action by the Iranian state. It appears not to be on real analysis.

No president in their right mind would repond aggressively to this. Not even your hallowed Reagan (who retreated from Lebannon and attacked a defensless Grenada and claimed a "Great Victory" among other absurd military realities.)

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:01 PM

9. Those Boats are Fast as Shit

If they got caught snooping they could have easily gotten out of there

There's more to this story and Iran still sucks

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:19 PM

10. Why does Iran suck? Please sight your MSM talking points when making ridiculous comments

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:48 PM

11. Because Iran has been at War with us since 1979

I was involved in the aborted hostage rescue mission in 1980 and Iran has been killing Americans ever since

(Including trying to kill my son when he was in Iraq)

Iran isn't going to abide by the deal Obama and Kerry stupidly made and they are about to get a big payoff

Iran wants Nukes? I'll send them TWO from SAC Omaha


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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:49 PM

24. Again you are wrong

Iran is not in a state of war with us. We hope to keep it that way. Why do you want to make war?

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:52 PM

25. No really I was there

You can't tell me I'm wrong when I was there

It's like Andrea Mitchell saying 13 Hours is going to hurt Hillary becausr it's full of Lies. And the Movie is the recollection of the SURVIVORS

Iran is at War with us, Asymetric Warfare (look it up)

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:26 PM

29. Putting puppet governments in foreign countries will make people do crazy things like taking

Some of the people hostage.

Your son was fighting an illegal war in a sovereign country on lies.


Sorry you and family keeps making bad choices.

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 06:42 PM

30. Gonna forgive me for voting for Trump?

Just chalk it up to lack of Judgment?

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:15 PM

19. If they were

inadvertently in Iranian water, that could be determined in a matter of minutes by the Iranian boat commander. If a vessel is in distress, you render aid, not take the crew into custody.

Even during the height of the cold war, if a soviet or US ship or plane entered airspace or the territorial limit, they were escorted out or if needed aid was rendered. No prisoners were taken, even for 24 hours.

And we are going to trust these clowns to adhere to the treaty that goes into affect in a matter of days. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They are going to cheat more than Bill Clinton did.

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Response to Cave Dweller (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:43 PM

23. That's just false

If the vessel violates territorial waters you acquire and board. IF the vessel is in distress you render aid. Just ask the U.S. Coast Guard.

http://www.uscg.mil/international/affairs/publications/mmscode/english/chap3.htm

... Finally, the third principle is that a vessel in the territorial waters of a state other than its flag state is ordinarily subject to the concurrent jurisdiction of the coastal state and the flag state; the nature and extent of the coastal state’s jurisdiction vary with the particular circumstances. Warships and other government vessels entitled to sovereign immunity are not subject to this concurrent jurisdiction.

You are clearly not a lawyer so let me help you. Basically Iran can do as they please unless exceptional circumstances are in effect. They were not thus Iran was entitled to detain the boat.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:08 PM

26. You are correct

I am not a lawyer. But Iran could have just investigated what was going on, waited for the US to send anther boat to tow them or help make repairs.

But seeing that Iran has absolutely no fear of Obama, what the hell.

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Response to Cave Dweller (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 03:40 PM

27. Wrong again

Iran has every right to detain this boat. And I know you don't pay attention but such incidents have happened under right wing presidents too. It had nothing to do with Iran's disposition towards Obama.

You can continue to live in your fantasy land cheered on by FOX news as long as you want but there is an objective reality. Ignore it at your own peril.

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Response to marmot84 (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 07:46 PM

31. Fifty miles off course?...

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:51 PM

12. So you blame the president for what happened? Please, explain to us all how that works

Go on. We're gonna love this

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:54 PM

13. works both ways right?

I credit Obama with this..



Though he didn't pull the trigger.

BUT, I think the whole damn thing is a pandering exercise and a tempest in a teapot.. File under shit happens

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Response to _eek (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 01:56 PM

14. So every single action, all day long, by every person in the military (planned or not)

relates back to Obama?

You are so grasping at straws now. Obama derangement syndrome isn't funny anymore, maybe you should talk to someone.

We get it, you hate him and blame him for everything in the universe, even if it is something you make up. But you just aren't sounding rational anymore, and I think you know it too.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:04 PM

15. perhaps you missed my edit..

Perhaps not, I am not freaking out, blaming or accusing.

You seem hell bent on attacking somebody here, so OK, ill go at it with you, might be a hard one for the likes of you, as I am not a Christian, a Republican, or a birther freaking out on Jade Helm. So your weak arsenal of smarm and eyerolls will be useless.

It seems you are grasping, needing to get a back slap from the rest of the Zombie crowd..Defending a man, and attacking a post that did not one of the things your silly little refutation claimed.

Your shtick works on low hanging fruit, but it won't work with me, I love tangling it up with zealouts right or left. And have no problem mixing it up with a copy pasta Chef Boyardee.

Obama derangement syndrome is a serious condition, but knee jerk idiocy seems to be far more destructive to human cognition.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 02:33 PM

21. This is fishy as hell.

 

We are ignorant of fundamental facts.

Why were they there? Was either boat actually having mechanical difficulty, or did they leave under their own power?

My nickel bet is that some navy commander and history buff didn't like the idea of the agreement and learned well from the Tonkin Gulf and Maine incidents.

FWIW, here's Farsi Island

The Revolutionary Guard's official website published images of the detained U.S. sailors before their release, showing them sitting on the floor of a room. They look mostly bored or annoyed, though at least one of the sailors appears to be smiling. The sole woman had her hair covered by a brown cloth. The pictures also showed what appeared to be their two boats.

"After determining that their entry into Iran's territorial waters was not intentional and their apology, the detained American sailors were released in international waters," a statement posted online by the Guard said Wednesday.

Vice President Joe Biden, speaking later to "CBS This Morning," denied that Americans made any apology.

"There's nothing to apologize for," Biden said. "When you have a problem with the boat you apologize the boat had a problem? No, and there was no looking for any apology. This was just standard nautical practice."

Gen. Ali Fadavi, the navy chief of Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard, was quoted earlier Wednesday by Iranian state TV as saying that an investigation had shown the Americans entered Iranian territorial waters because of "mechanical problems in their navigation system."

U.S. officials also blamed mechanical trouble for the incident. They had said on Tuesday that Tehran assured them the crew and vessels would be returned safely and promptly.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAN_US_NAVY_BOATS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-12-16-04-56

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 05:43 PM

28. Hmmmm...

Something smells about the captured American Navy vessel?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027526801

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jan 13, 2016, 08:18 PM

32. they are just followin Obamas rules of engagement.

Surrender bedore you upset, offend or otherwise hurt a muslim.

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