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Tue May 13, 2014, 08:12 PM

Why I Carry: Mob in Savannah, GA Brutally Attacks Family of 8, Including Women and Young Children

... "Occasionally, it’s important to take a look at crimes that did not result in a defensive gun use in order to remember why we carry, everyday."

"In this case, a family of 8, including 2 adult males, 2 adult females and 4 young children were attacked in a well traveled tourist area of Savannah, GA." ...

"I’m guessing this story would have turned out much different if Jim and his brother in law, a combat veteran, had been armed."

"This also makes a case for standard capacity magazines and carrying more than 1 with you at all times. ..."
http://gunssavelives.net/why-i-carry/why-i-carry-mob-in-savannah-ga-brutally-attacks-family-of-8-including-women-and-young-children/#

The video is truly frightening.

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Reply Why I Carry: Mob in Savannah, GA Brutally Attacks Family of 8, Including Women and Young Children (Original post)
WhiskeyMakesMeHappy May 2014 OP
GardenGrubber May 2014 #1
MissOtis May 2014 #5
spike61 May 2014 #37
Strange Luck May 2014 #2
YouKnowItsTrue May 2014 #3
chesley3 May 2014 #38
YouKnowItsTrue May 2014 #72
chesley3 May 2014 #79
exindy May 2014 #92
chesley3 May 2014 #95
hap May 2014 #4
... May 2014 #17
JoePolitics May 2014 #33
iffley May 2014 #6
unreformed66 May 2014 #55
iffley May 2014 #60
unreformed66 May 2014 #66
iffley May 2014 #71
batcat May 2014 #93
Chuck Schick May 2014 #7
Mr_Scorpio May 2014 #8
purple apoplexy May 2014 #9
MisterMan May 2014 #10
Winston May 2014 #14
MisterMan May 2014 #15
Tin Ear May 2014 #16
MisterMan May 2014 #23
Tin Ear May 2014 #25
MisterMan May 2014 #30
Tin Ear May 2014 #32
spike61 May 2014 #35
Irony May 2014 #27
just say yes May 2014 #88
manuel ororoca May 2014 #11
aberro May 2014 #18
manuel ororoca May 2014 #24
Letmypeoplevote Aug 2014 #96
island4diver Aug 2014 #97
spike61 May 2014 #36
unreformed66 May 2014 #50
DrMiguelitoLoveless May 2014 #12
aberro May 2014 #19
aberro May 2014 #20
DrMiguelitoLoveless May 2014 #22
lightershadeofbrown May 2014 #81
unreformed66 May 2014 #56
Ajax May 2014 #86
762Justice May 2014 #13
unasleep_in_2003 May 2014 #40
DocDocGoose May 2014 #52
Paradigm May 2014 #58
aberro May 2014 #21
MisterMan May 2014 #26
unreformed66 May 2014 #63
Barefoot Dancer May 2014 #83
joefriday6 May 2014 #28
DIXON71 May 2014 #29
_eek May 2014 #34
Appalachian Man May 2014 #31
NSFW May 2014 #39
just say yes May 2014 #41
Winston May 2014 #42
just say yes May 2014 #43
Winston May 2014 #44
just say yes May 2014 #45
Winston May 2014 #46
just say yes May 2014 #47
Winston May 2014 #48
Sam May 2014 #85
just say yes May 2014 #89
Sam May 2014 #90
just say yes May 2014 #91
Barefoot Dancer May 2014 #49
The Doctor May 2014 #51
DocDocGoose May 2014 #53
The Doctor May 2014 #57
Winston May 2014 #59
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #62
unreformed66 May 2014 #68
Barefoot Dancer May 2014 #82
DocDocGoose May 2014 #69
Winston May 2014 #54
unreformed66 May 2014 #61
762Justice May 2014 #84
CTA102 May 2014 #64
Winston May 2014 #65
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #70
CTA102 May 2014 #77
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #80
cowman_in_NV May 2014 #67
CTA102 May 2014 #78
MountainDew May 2014 #94
just say yes May 2014 #87
ByTheWatersOfBabylon May 2014 #73
ByTheWatersOfBabylon May 2014 #74
ByTheWatersOfBabylon May 2014 #75
ByTheWatersOfBabylon May 2014 #76

Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:05 PM

1. Savannah, GA: Surveillance Cam Shows White Family Exaggerated Claim About Attack by "Black Mob"

I for one am really glad none of these drunks had guns.

updated story from WSAV3
http://www.wsav.com/story/25506282/scmpd-altercation-involving-atlanta-family-not-a-random-act

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Response to GardenGrubber (Reply #1)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:56 PM

5. Yes, a mess of guns would have made that a whole lot better.

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Response to GardenGrubber (Reply #1)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:47 PM

37. If you watched that video, you see the one guy ran from at least 30 ft to jump into them.

Obviously there is no sound, but his friend tries to stop him. THAT guy is who threw the first punch. He was far enough away to have kept walking and he chose to run back and start swinging.
Then watch the rest of it.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:10 PM

2. Carrying a handgun. Good enough for government workers

good enough for civilians.

Now that we have that out of the way - who do you think shouldn't be allowed to carry/own a gun?

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #2)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:17 PM

3. I'll bite. A felon convicted of a violent crime.

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Response to YouKnowItsTrue (Reply #3)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:32 PM

38. slightly off topic,

but a direct reply to your statement.

My belief is that any felon who has served his full sentence (not out on parole or on probation, etc.) should have all of his civil rights restored, including the right to vote and to carry a gun.

He's paid his debt to society. Leave him in peace.

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Response to chesley3 (Reply #38)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:34 PM

72. I totally agree with you. But I don't believe that's the law as it stands so

I picked what I felt was the least intrusive as far as rights and laws are currently concerned. The closest I could ever come to agreeing with current law is convicted violent felon.

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Response to YouKnowItsTrue (Reply #72)

Thu May 15, 2014, 07:39 AM

79. violence does

present a proble. But a right is a right.

Once a man/woman's debt is paid, their rights should be restored.

If, the crime was violent enough that no one would ever want that man to have a firearm, then life without parole, or death, is the answer.

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Response to chesley3 (Reply #38)

Thu May 15, 2014, 02:32 PM

92. That go for pedophiles, too?

How about a man who beats his kids?

How about a man who is prone to any violence?

Just because you paid the debt doesn't mean the crime will never reoccur. Some rights should not be restored.

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Response to exindy (Reply #92)

Thu May 15, 2014, 04:17 PM

95. Yes.

If you've paid your debt, your rights should be restored.

Pedophiles should never again see the light of day. Same for murderers and rapists. so it doesn't become a problem. Not for me

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 09:52 PM

4. gunssavelives.net?

Are you so delusional that you think this is a valid source?

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Response to hap (Reply #4)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:47 AM

17. gunssavelives.net is simply quoting what the victim posted on his FaceBook page

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Response to ... (Reply #17)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:27 PM

33. Well if we can't trust what a guy posts on his facebook page ...

... what is the world coming to?

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 10:53 PM

6. And for every story like this, how many tragic stories do we read about

kids who've accidentally shot someone or even family annihilators who've turned their "protection" on their loved ones?

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Response to iffley (Reply #6)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:19 PM

55. Very few

I can find you example after example of people being attacked for no reason in the streets by feral gangs. Literally hundreds of similar stories. Accidental shootings are less common than most any other deadly accident and the "family annihilator" is a rare bird indeed.

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Response to unreformed66 (Reply #55)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:31 PM

60. Doubtful. We're lucky to get through a week with only one "accidental shooting" story. n/t

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Response to iffley (Reply #60)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:45 PM

66. And

we can't get through a week without a story of an unprovoked attack by feral criminals who don't even have robbery as a motive either.

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Response to unreformed66 (Reply #66)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:06 PM

71. I rarely see those in the local paper. Accidental shootings are far more common. n/t

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Response to iffley (Reply #71)

Thu May 15, 2014, 02:54 PM

93. The media will publish and all all stories involving the foolish use of a firearm. ...

Often such stories will receive national attention.

Stories involving the use of firearms for legitimate self defense will rarely get national attention and may not even be reported in the local news.

Of course occasionally there are exceptions to the rule. This story about a Detroit who defended herself with a legally concealed weapon made international news.

Meet Rambo grandma: Woman, 51, 'shot four times by two armed thugs' pulls her own gun on them and hospitalizes one
Paris Ainsworth said two men tried to rob her outside her Detroit home on the weekend
The licensed gun holder fired at them eight times after they shot her
The grandmother-of-four was hit in the side and hand
Police arrested both alleged attacks at a hospital where one with gunshot wounds was being treated
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 19:46 EST, 8 May 2014 | UPDATED: 23:41 EST, 8 May 2014

A grandmother has been dubbed 'Rambo' after pulling out a gun to fight off two alleged armed robbers who attacked her in her Detroit driveway.
Paris Ainsworth, 51, was shot four times in the late-night attack, but was able to return fire with eight bullets from her licensed .45 caliber handgun.
The health worker said her weapon saved her life.
'If I wouldn't have had my gun I would be dead today,' the grandmother-of-four told WDIV. 'This is ludicrous, the way that they are just robbing and trying to take stuff from people, and killing people.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2623851/Meet-Rambo-grandma-Woman-51-shot-four-times-two-armed-thugs-pulls-gun-hospitalizes-one.html

But to be fair there is some value to reporting news about accidental discharges and misuses of the stand your ground laws as these reports remind gun owners and those with carry permits of the serious responsibility involved in owning and carrying a firearm.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:13 AM

7. If I were a business owner on River street I would be on the phone to the mayor about

the lack of police. Not good for business.

Frightening yes, add a gun to the riot? no.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:33 AM

8. The only good thing about this mess was that the fact that no one was carrying a gun

Everyone made it out alive.

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Response to Mr_Scorpio (Reply #8)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:46 AM

9. ditto



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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:27 AM

10. Guns + drunken rednecks = lots of dead folks

Gun nuts suck

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #10)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:28 AM

14. You need to do some research.

Chicago has very strict gun control and I doubt there are many rednecks there.

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Response to Winston (Reply #14)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:36 AM

15. Criminals and gun nuts just go to Indiana to get their straw purchase guns

and drive back to Chi-town.

Gun nuttery fail

yup

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #15)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:40 AM

16. So? SLC Utah is an open carry state. Do they have the same problem as Chicago with gun violence?

Its not the guns.

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Response to Tin Ear (Reply #16)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:00 AM

23. really? then what is the "problem" with Chicago?

do tell

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #23)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:04 AM

25. Some people with no regard for human life acting out violently

We don't see that in Utah much do we? Anything else?

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Response to Tin Ear (Reply #25)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:23 AM

30. Be more precise - just who are these violent people?


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Response to MisterMan (Reply #30)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:01 PM

32. What characteristics of these people are you looking for? Be precise.

I can't get into the minds of these people so I would not be able to give you an answer as to why they act this way. There is substantial comparative violence in Chicago vs say SLC. Chicago has restrictive gun laws while Utah is quite liberal with regard to gun carry. The gun restrictions are quite ineffective as multiple gun homicides are the norm in any week in Chicago.



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Response to MisterMan (Reply #30)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:35 PM

35. Just look up the violent crime stats and you'll have your answer

Or you could keep fishing and trying to find a "racist" out here that you're looking for. Facts are facts, whether you like them or not.

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #23)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:16 AM

27. Gangs fighting for their share of the drug trade.

 

It's a known fact that in Chicago, the drug gangs are shooting each other for the profits in the lucrative drug trade, end the WOD, and I'll bet that 90% of the murders in Chicago disappear.

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #10)

Thu May 15, 2014, 12:33 PM

88. Sorry but the thugs doing this

 

didn't have red necks.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:05 AM

11. Why I *don't* carry: carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed

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Response to manuel ororoca (Reply #11)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:55 AM

18. new scientist.com ?? LOL

 

No bias there.

I guess you don't carry a spare tire in your car either.

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Response to aberro (Reply #18)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:00 AM

24. Science has a well-known Liberal bias?

Or am I missing something?

If spare tires were more likely to harm than to help, I wouldn't carry one in my car.

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Response to manuel ororoca (Reply #24)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 02:57 PM

96. Truth (and scales) have a well known liberal bias

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Response to manuel ororoca (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:49 PM

97. new scientists.com

is not the same as the journal Science.
The study was done by a public health researcher funded by Bloomberg. Imagine a "climate change is a crock" study funded by the Koch brothers. It was published in a medical magazine, not a criminology publication. That means the peer reviewers were not experts in that area.

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Response to manuel ororoca (Reply #11)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:36 PM

36. That study also includes suicides; which are much higher than most imagine.

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Response to manuel ororoca (Reply #11)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:37 PM

50. False narrative.

This "study" you point to is leaving out the most important factor. The single greatest factor that predicts being shot is being a criminal. Many criminals carry guns, almost all of them illegally. If you start looking you'll find that the VAST majority of those who were shot and killed and were carrying a gun had a criminal history. There was a study done a few years ago and it found a HUGE correlation (to the tune of over 90%) between criminality and being shot. It's yet another cherry-picked "fact" of the anti-gun crowd that carrying a gun is the deciding factor. Quite frankly if you take away gang shootings our murder rate goes down to levels that are consistant with the western European countries that are always being touted as some kind of murder-free paradise. Do a little research on your own, I think you might be surprised at what you find. I was. I had bought into the propoganda for years until I started looking at the issue objectively instead of emotionally.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:21 AM

12. The odds you will be the victims of this type of crime

are very, very low. The odds a firearm you own will be used to hurt yourself or your family is MUCH higher.

I think that this new site will have to come up with guidelines about what constitutes a credible "news" source.

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Response to DrMiguelitoLoveless (Reply #12)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:59 AM

19. Well, if your former DU,

 

We know you only accept news source's you agree with. No thanks.

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Response to DrMiguelitoLoveless (Reply #12)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:02 AM

20. Besides, where do you get your numbers to figure these "odds"?

 

DU members believe the government.


NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have had several home invasions by blacks in my area resulting in the death of home owners.

I always have a pistol in arms reach.

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Response to aberro (Reply #20)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:12 AM

22. Right....

Maybe you should call Batman to deal with those "blacks".

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Response to aberro (Reply #20)

Thu May 15, 2014, 08:44 AM

81. Several? By the blacks?

Do you have any proof of this at all, such as news reports or are we just going with your assertions?

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Response to DrMiguelitoLoveless (Reply #12)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:22 PM

56. Sources?

Please cite your sources for your comments. Your conclusions are VERY flawed and as far as I can tell based on nothing but your opinion.

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Response to DrMiguelitoLoveless (Reply #12)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:46 AM

86. What you say is true,

but the odds that a firearm someone owns will be used to hurt them or their family, while higher than the odds of being the victim of that type of crime, are still very, very low.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:38 AM

13. Well armed should be coupled with well mannered.

I carry daily, and step one is to avoid the three stupids:
Stupid places
Stupid people
Stupid actions

If you are walking in a group, and a member of another group walks through yours, without causing any harm to you or your group, so what? Starting a confrontation with that person is a "Stupid action" It might have been rude of him, but carrying a weapon is not meant to solve issues surrounding social graces, but to defend you, and your loved one's lives.

Don't start no crap, won't be no crap. But if there is, and you have no other option, you can finish it.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #13)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:03 PM

40. I worked for several years...

at Lee and Harvard on the east side of Cleveland. It is a kind of rough neighborhood. I never had any fear or trouble, because I never started any crap.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #13)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:56 PM

52. When you carry a gun, every situation has a gun involved by default.

As such, your behavior must be beyond reproach at all times.

Not everyone can live with that level of vigilance, and that is why no one argues that "everyone should be armed," only that those who wish to take that responsibility have the opportunity to do so.

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Response to 762Justice (Reply #13)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:26 PM

58. I carry daily, too.

I've owned guns for 38 years; carried for 10 years, and not once have my guns harmed anyone. I taught my daughter firearms safety and shooting at age 12, and plan to do the same with my grandson when he comes of age.

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Response to aberro (Reply #21)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:08 AM

26. So you can shoot black men and get away from it?

That is what your comment from that link indicates.

yup

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #26)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:34 PM

63. Is that all you've got?

I see that your main form of entertaining yourself is to troll and call others racist. Is that all you've got? It's typical of DU I suppose, perhaps you should quit projecting your racial animus on others.

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Response to MisterMan (Reply #26)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:55 AM

83. Your comment

is ridiculous and ignorant. That little tactic is a favorite of 4 year olds.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:16 AM

28. I own but would prefer not

to carry until it starts unraveling more, which it will. I can see why you carry. I've been to Tucker, GA.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:22 AM

29. IMO

Using just one random incident to justify carrying a gun? That dog won’t hunt, admit that your scared of you shadow and move on. Guns don’t make you safe they just give you a sense of invincibility which probably makes you more likely to use them. IMO my opinion this is akin to getting sand kicked in your face and responding with and gun murdering someone , there is no justification for this.

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Response to DIXON71 (Reply #29)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:28 PM

34. There may be a very few people that feel invincible while carrying...

But when used and regarded with any reality they actually tend to make a person more civil and less prone to stupid behavior.
I have carried both a FA and an SBR for work, with multiple mags , I felt anything but invincible.
I think the people in fear are the ones that want to ascribe sinister motivation to anyone that carries or even owns a weapon, it can be a very dangerous world out there, and many people feel it is best to be able to go home... un harmed, un robbed, un raped, and to stay that way once at home.

Blame the media, as well as the NRA... both push fear as a moneymaker.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:55 AM

31. Whiskey makes some people happy...

and some people stupid. Looks like whiskey made a member of this Atlanta family stupid. And speaking of guns, or any other subject for that matter, how easy is it to shoot down an OP that fails to include all pertinent facts in order to push an agenda? Pretty dam easy if you ask me.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:48 PM

39. because some macho idiot lost his temper and them pretended a child was attacked, LOL?

that's about as good as most people's reasons.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:04 PM

41. I don't get how carrying helps when you get jumped out of nowhere.

 

You're not walking around with your finger on the trigger. It seems hard to believe that anyone would feel safe when it takes time to draw a weapon.

The real story is what the hell is going on here?! This is happening across the country, quiet as it's kept. And it's a Black-on-White or Black-on-Asian thing in tourist areas or upscale 'hoods. Robbery doesn't seem to be the motive but just taking out aggression on strangers who fit that bill.

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Response to just say yes (Reply #41)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:08 PM

42. It's not about feeling safe, it's about giving yourself more options.

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Response to Winston (Reply #42)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:10 PM

43. I think there is a zero chance option of protecting yourself

 

in most instances with a gun in public. I really don't want to get into a whole gun debate or anything, but I just don't think most thugs give a person a chance to draw their weapon. They catch them off-guard. But of course if another person witnesses it, they can draw their gun and maybe stop it from continuing.

What I don't get is how come all those people watching this thing go down did not intervene?

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Response to just say yes (Reply #43)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:16 PM

44. Generally, most "thugs" can't shoot very well and don't really plan their assaults

expecting to encounter an armed response. If a firearm was a poor choice for self defense, police wouldn't carry them either.

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Response to Winston (Reply #44)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:18 PM

45. Why did you put thugs in quotes? And yeah

 

the people who did this qualify as straight-up thugs. Anyone who bumps into a family, including children, as a pretext to start a fight, is a thug.

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Response to just say yes (Reply #45)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:20 PM

46. I like quotation marks.

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Response to Winston (Reply #46)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:21 PM

47. Right.

 

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Response to just say yes (Reply #47)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:22 PM

48. Am I missing something?

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Response to Winston (Reply #48)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:34 AM

85. Here let me help

He started the conversation under the assumption that you are a racist, and is looking for any excuse to "prove" that assumption and thus dismiss all of your comments. It is sad but that is best they can do, call you names, accuse you of being a racist, and saying you have a small penis. They have can't defend their hatred of guns with anything resembling an argument.

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Response to Sam (Reply #85)

Thu May 15, 2014, 12:42 PM

89. Wow, bizarro world!

 

I believe that "Winston" was accusing ME of being racist by labelling these characters 'thugs.' And they ARE thugs, regardless of color. I know the typical DUer believes that anyone non-White is angelic.

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Response to just say yes (Reply #89)

Thu May 15, 2014, 12:58 PM

90. Sorry I missed that you had used thugs first.

I saw you post the question and then "right", I thought you were trying to point out what would be called on DU a dog whistle.

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Response to Sam (Reply #90)

Thu May 15, 2014, 01:02 PM

91. Nope but I think Winston was

 

since he put it in quotes. And there is no other word appropriate for the people who did this crap to this family. Absolutely appalling.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:23 PM

49. Dude

You need to edit and add the tag "guns".

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:40 PM

51. Want more options to be safe in public?

 

Go learn karate or tae kwon do.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #51)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:01 PM

53. What's your advice for the small, elderly, disabled, or otherwise less-physically-imposing? nt

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Response to DocDocGoose (Reply #53)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:22 PM

57. If they have a cell phone, they can call 9-1-1/

 

This isn't the old west where people can go around shooting each other.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #57)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:30 PM

59. Legally, you can use deadly force to defend your life and the lives of others.

And calling 911 isn't very useful in an attack that lasts only a few seconds.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #57)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:33 PM

62. And then what?

 

Wait for the police to arrive while getting an ass kicking or worse?
If that's your solution, then, thanks but no thanks, I'll pull my legally carried weapon and defend myself.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #57)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:49 PM

68. Call 911?

Yes, that will work! Where were the cops when this was happening? Where will they be when a criminal kicks your door in at 2am? The police are spread FAR too thin to be effective at preventing crime. They are not EXPECTED to prevent crime. Thier role is to investigate crime and arrest the perpetrators. If they happen to be close enough to a crime to prevent it then that is just a lucky coincidence. The Supreme Court has ruled on several different occiasions that the police have NO responsibility to protect you. Look it up. At some point you either have to decide that you refuse to be a victim, or be a victim. Your choice, just like it's my choice.

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Response to unreformed66 (Reply #68)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:51 AM

82. If you call

the cops, there is absolutely no guarantee that YOU won't be the one who gets shot or arrested.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #57)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:51 PM

69. Nor is it star date 37-01

Where police can be instantly teleported to the victim's side with their phasers set to stun.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #51)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:02 PM

54. That is not possible for everyone and is not very useful when confronted with deadly force.

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #51)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:31 PM

61. That is one option....

But quite frankly it's only one tool in the toolbox. Many people aren't young enough or strong enough or in good enough shape to use it effectively. And no matter how many times it happens in the movies even a martial arts expert can't defend himself from mulitple attackers even if he IS Bruce Lee. To put it in very simple terms, firearms are an equalizer in situations where you are outmatched in a physical force situation. I'm moderately skilled in self-defense and have a couple of decades of training. I'm also getting older and the old injuries have limited my physical prowess more and more as I've aged along with natural loss of muscle and quickness. So in your opinion if I happen to be attacked by a larger stronger individual or a group of individuals (and don't tell me it can't happen, it's happened to me before) then I should just take my beating and robbery and be happy if they don't kill me. Right? Or are you a believer that the strong prevail and the gang rules all?

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Response to The Doctor (Reply #51)

Thu May 15, 2014, 10:02 AM

84. Unarmed self defense is a great thing.

I have studied Krav Maga for quite a while, and bits of other arts over the years. I still carry a pocket knife and a concealed pistol along with my cell phone when I am out and about. My Krav instructors carry also, and combine weapons into the training. Weapons are options when nothing else will work.

If you are not an idiot, and have learned how to use and retain a weapon, there is no real downside to carrying one. It is just one more tool in the toolbox of self defense. Many situations can be resolved with words, a smile, or a call to the police. Some can't. At that point, more options are a good thing to have. Nobody wants their headstone to read "Left his gun at home"

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:40 PM

64. More bigoted we-love-our-gunz BS spread by yahoos.

 

Don't think guns were necessary here unless you just like shooting people like Zimmerman or Dunn.

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #64)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:42 PM

65. Bigoted?

In the few hours I have spent here, that word has lost all it's meaning.

You guys throw that crap around about anyone that disagrees with you.

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Response to Winston (Reply #65)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:52 PM

70. Especially Hoyt.

 

Back in the days of DU2, he even suggested that private citizens should stop and detain CC citizens and demand to see their permit or hold them for the police.
I shit you not.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #70)

Thu May 15, 2014, 01:34 AM

77. Somebody needs to ride herd on those who don't leave home without a gun in the 21st Century.

 

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #77)

Thu May 15, 2014, 07:45 AM

80. If I remember right,

 

you got totally schooled on why it would be a very bad idea.

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #64)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:47 PM

67. You haven't changed have you?

 

Still the same old bigoted replies from you as in the old DU2.

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #67)

Thu May 15, 2014, 01:38 AM

78. Yep, still bigoted against those worshiping gunz.

 

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Response to cowman_in_NV (Reply #67)

Thu May 15, 2014, 03:34 PM

94. That's the Hoyt shtick.

 

He doesn't like guns because they were bad for his last profession. I have a craving for a can of beans but I must save them for self defense. Maybe if I do eat the beans I will bring the bicycle into the house so I can use the tire for self defense.

Have a great day!!

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Response to CTA102 (Reply #64)

Thu May 15, 2014, 11:52 AM

87. Yes, this shows bigotry!

 

This was obviously a hate crime. The people were attacked for being White. And you can't blame the economy, since they weren't robbed. This sort of thing (calling "wilding") is happening all over the country--Black-on-White. And the mainstream media is mum on it, for the most part.

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:35 PM

73. Police Investigate Claims Family was Attacked on River Street

Posted: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 12:03 AM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:53 AM EDT
By Russ Riesinger

... The fight reportedly occurred in front of Wet Willies on River Street. The reporting officer said the victim "advised that he and his family were walking when a black couple forced their way through his family. He then noted that when they said something to them about it; little words were exchanged and the black male started attacking them. Several more black people joined the assault from the opposite direction. The victim advised he was held down and punched in the eye." The officer also noted that he smelled an odor of alcohol on both family members he interviewed and that when one appeared to be getting upset again about the incident he refrained from interviewing him further ...

http://www.wsav.com/story/25498265/police-investigate-claims-family-was-attacked-on-river-street

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:37 PM

74. SCMPD: Altercation Involving Atlanta Family Not a Random Act

Posted: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:17 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 6:14 PM EDT
By Liz Buckthorpe

... The family spoke to the Atlanta TV station WSB, claiming they were attacked by a “mob” of people and that even women and children were attacked, including a 6-year old girl who was punched in the stomach. However, SCMP say after reviewing the surveillance video they have determined the incident was a fight between two families, and there was, "no sign of a 6-year-old or 13-year-old child being punched."

Savannah police say the incident took place at about 9:48 Saturday night near Rousakis Plaza. Police say that videos being reviewed by detectives show two large groups of people, each including children, walking on River Street. When one group encountered eight members of an Atlanta family standing on the sidewalk, one male avoided contact by walking into River Street while a male and female worked their way through the family.

Police say just after that male walked through the cluster of family members, he was confronted by one or two males in the family and a verbal altercation ensued. The male who had walked around the family pulled the other male away and they left. But one of the males in the Atlanta family continued to talk to him. He broke free from the male who was leading him away and ran back into the crowd where a fight ensued, with members of both groups trying to break it up.

SCMP say they were on the scene within 10 minutes of the first 911 call, but the second group had already left the scene by the time officers arrived. Police say the videos showed that members of both groups were carrying beverages and officers on scene reported a heavy odor of alcohol ...

http://www.wnct.com/story/25506282/scmpd-altercation-involving-atlanta-family-not-a-random-act

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:42 PM

75. Savannah-Chatham police looking for truth in River Street brawl

Posted: May 13, 2014 - 4:07pm | Updated: May 14, 2014 - 7:29am
By Dash Coleman

... The male who had walked around the family pulled the other male away and they left. But one of the males in the Atlanta-area family continued to talk to him, Miller said. He broke free from the male who was leading him away and ran back into the crowd where a fight ensued, with members of both groups trying to break it up.

The video does show a female with the second group trying to separate the parties and pulling a female family member away by her hair, Miller said, but detectives could not find any sign of a child being punched as Thomas had announced in a Facebook post ...

http://savannahnow.com/crime/2014-05-13/savannah-chatham-police-seek-information-river-street-fight

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Response to WhiskeyMakesMeHappy (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:48 PM

76. Surveillance Video Reveals More About River Street Incident

Posted: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:05 PM EDT
Updated: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:03 PM EDT
By Sheila Parker

... After reading the Facebook posting Monday morning – we wanted to know more. I got the police report and saw a different version of the story ... but wanted to gather more facts and take a look at the surveillance tape to find out what really happened. Late today, police released that tape and some conclusions based on their examination of it. Let's just say the story you may have seen on social media ... isn't the whole story ...

There are other discrepancies in the tourist's account. They say a local ice cream shop ordered them out as they begged for help and no one would call police. A girl behind the counter there told me on Tuesday, she personally dialed 911. Police say they show a response time of just 10 minutes.

The Facebook post says one of the women in the group was "scratched up mercilessly as she tried to save the children." The police report states that same woman had no visible injury. And lastly -

The family reports on social media being followed by their attackers as they walked away and states they told police the men were still there, but no backup was called. The police report and video show the others involved in the incident left before officers arrived ...

http://www.wjbf.com/story/25508135/surveillance-video-reveals-truth-behind-river-street-incident

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