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Fri Mar 11, 2016, 04:22 PM

Why are cities run by dems so dangerous compared to cities run by Republicans?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mass-shooting-last-night-wont-155025280.html

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Reply Why are cities run by dems so dangerous compared to cities run by Republicans? (Original post)
ibtruthin Mar 2016 OP
spike61 Mar 2016 #1
News2Me Mar 2016 #2
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #3
News2Me Mar 2016 #4
safestuffer Mar 2016 #7
exindy Mar 2016 #11
uncledad Mar 2016 #15
rampartb Mar 2016 #30
uncledad Mar 2016 #44
News2Me Mar 2016 #35
uncledad Mar 2016 #42
MountainDew Mar 2016 #5
News2Me Mar 2016 #12
Daves Not Here Man Mar 2016 #21
MountainDew Mar 2016 #34
Daves Not Here Man Mar 2016 #41
kcci Mar 2016 #32
MountainDew Mar 2016 #36
kcci Mar 2016 #48
MountainDew Mar 2016 #49
kcci Mar 2016 #55
Daves Not Here Man Mar 2016 #6
Billy Jingo Mar 2016 #8
spike61 Mar 2016 #10
Daves Not Here Man Mar 2016 #19
spike61 Mar 2016 #43
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #13
exindy Mar 2016 #14
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #17
exindy Mar 2016 #26
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #63
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #16
Daves Not Here Man Mar 2016 #20
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #25
kcci Mar 2016 #33
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #61
kcci Mar 2016 #69
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #31
Zappa Dappa Doo Mar 2016 #50
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #52
Zappa Dappa Doo Mar 2016 #54
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #56
Zappa Dappa Doo Mar 2016 #58
exindy Mar 2016 #9
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #18
safestuffer Mar 2016 #22
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #23
safestuffer Mar 2016 #24
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #27
safestuffer Mar 2016 #29
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #62
safestuffer Mar 2016 #64
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #65
safestuffer Mar 2016 #66
ibtruthin Mar 2016 #67
safestuffer Mar 2016 #68
exindy Mar 2016 #28
bpilgrim Mar 2016 #37
fishlore Mar 2016 #38
safestuffer Mar 2016 #40
fishlore Mar 2016 #53
safestuffer Mar 2016 #57
fishlore Mar 2016 #70
joefriday6 Mar 2016 #39
News2Me Mar 2016 #45
LifeLike Mar 2016 #46
Duke Lacrosse Mar 2016 #47
gowiththrottleup Mar 2016 #51
RattyG Mar 2016 #59
oldenuff35 Mar 2016 #60

Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 04:29 PM

1. Demographics are dangerous. It usually is that simple.

There are outliers, of course.

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 04:29 PM

2. Just out of curiosity, what large cities are run by Republicans?

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Response to News2Me (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 04:37 PM

3. Does the city size matter? I bet it holds across the board.

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:04 PM

4. I just thought it might be interesting to compare numbers on crime

between Democratic and Republican controlled cities to see if the party in charge really has an effect on the crime rate.

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Response to News2Me (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:39 PM

15. Look at the States in which the highest rates of homicide happen.

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From 2014 FBI stats: Highest homicide rates per 100,000

1 Louisiana

2 Mississippi

3 Missouri Governor D

4 So. Carolina

5 Maryland Governor D

6 Nevada

7 Delaware Governor D

8 Florida

9 Alabama

10 Georgia

11 Tennessee

12 Alaska independent

13 Arkansas

14 Michigan

15 Illinois

16 No. Carolina

That's the top 16 for 2014. I could add more, the result will not change much. Just a little back ground.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:14 PM

30. ln 2014 louisiana's governor was piush jindal (r)

we just elected a dem who has been stuck with the results of his greed, ambition and incompetence.

just keeping your list straight.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 09:26 PM

44. I will edit the list. thanks

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Response to uncledad (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:44 PM

35. Are we to assume that the States not marked "D" have Republican governors?

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Response to News2Me (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 09:25 PM

42. That would be correct, with the exception of Alaska.

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Response to News2Me (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:10 PM

5. Depends on what your

 

definition of "fun" is. If being a member of a gang, being segregated, depending on the .GOV for housing/life, and/or not knowing if your children will come home alive or be killed on their doorstep is your definition of fun then I don't believe there are many "fun" large cities run by Republicans.

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Response to MountainDew (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:30 PM

12. Oops. Typo - fixed it.

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Response to MountainDew (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:50 PM

21. Ha! So you admit it! Republicans are no "fun"

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:40 PM

34. It depends

 

on if you agree that the things I listed are actually fun. I've got friends on both sides that are a lot of fun. We avoid politics though.

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Response to MountainDew (Reply #34)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:24 PM

41. Ain't that the truth, man.

I hear politics being discussed at a social gathering, I go in the opposite direction. ASAP. Preferably to the bar. I find people less apt to espouse political beliefs when your yelling "SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS!"

Just doing my part to keep the peace.

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Response to MountainDew (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:36 PM

32. Sounds scary.

 

What's it like being afraid of life in the USA?

Are there any places you don't find scary?

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Response to kcci (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:47 PM

36. I was talking about fun

 

and you bring up scary. You really should get that projection issue fixed. It seems to consume way too much of your little life.

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Response to MountainDew (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:00 AM

48. Oh?

 

"ZOMG Gangs!!1!! ZOMG not knowing if your children will come home alive or be killed on their doorstep!!1!"

Really looks like you were talking about "fun", bud.

Life in the US isn't scary.
Get out more.
I promise you'll be OK.

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Response to kcci (Reply #48)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:18 AM

49. I guess reading comprehension is just a little

 

above your pay grade. If you work hard and pull your own weight you may get a promotion. I'm sure you can use google to look up the foreign (to many leftists anyway) concepts of "hard work" and "pulling your own weight".

Good Luck when/if you get that promotion -- I hope it makes you FEEL less inadequate.

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Response to MountainDew (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:43 PM

55. I don't have any doubts that I have achieved significantly more than yourself

 

I also don't tremble in fear of life in the USA.

Do you think that your meager achievements and bizarre and ignorant terror of life in the USA is related?

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Response to News2Me (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:14 PM

6. Very few. This is why this is regurgitated here weekly.

the Republican mayor an endangered species? Saying so for sure would be futile, but they are certainly rare in America’s biggest cities these days. Of the nation’s 35 most populous cities, 28 have Democratic mayors and 22 have had them for a very long time.

More strikingly, of the 13 big cities that were led by a Republican mayor at some point in the 21st century, just five still have one.

Indianapolis, which consists of both a city and a county, has elected Republican mayors for 36 out of the last 48 years. Miami, another city-county hybrid, has elected numerous Republicans thanks in part to a longstanding Republican lean among Cuban-Americans. The other three are Fort Worth, Oklahoma City and San Diego.

http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/gov-urban-republican-mayors.html

Indy ranks right up there for murders, btw. Cities inherently have more crime. More people, more poverty, more wealth, more crime. Comparing cities to rural or suburban areas is foolish. Furthermore, if the comparison is made, I'd like to know what policies a republican run city makes that cause the difference. Rather than the implication that it's just about those darn minorities, made by a certain poster obsessed with black people.


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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:18 PM

8. Fort Worth elections are non-partisan.

<OPE>

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:27 PM

10. Crime Statistics are what they are; regardless of anyones opinion.

As is often pointed out by numerous posters. Just because you dont LIKE the stats, doesnt make mentioning them an "obsession"
Violent crime is actually lower now than it was 30-40 years ago, but 24 hour news makes it look like its as bad now as its EVER been

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Response to spike61 (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:48 PM

19. I've never argued against the stats.

I'm well aware of the downward trend in crime. There is a particular poster who's obsessed with certain crime stories here. Whether or not you choose to acknowledge that is meaningless to me.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 09:26 PM

43. Well, I dont know every poster, so who knows.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:34 PM

13. Indianapolis has a democratic Mayor. Was crime down under Giuliani in NY?

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:35 PM

14. Democratic mayor now.

3 months ago and for quite a while before that it was a republican.

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Response to exindy (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:45 PM

17. Was crime lower under Giuliani?

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:00 PM

26. I was debunking your first sentence.

And succeeded.

Indianapolis had a republican mayor during the time period prior to 2016.

Feel free to chase after Giuliani all you want. I'll watch from over here.

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Response to exindy (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:33 PM

63. Got it. What about Giuliani?

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Response to News2Me (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:44 PM

16. San Diego has a Republican mayor and some of the lowest crime rates of any US city.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:49 PM

20. But it's in that leftist haven of California!

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:58 PM

25. California is deadlier than Texas

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:38 PM

33. California has a higher murder rate..

 

By about 0.1/100,000 if memory serves.

Apparently it is that 1 out of a million that makes it deadly.

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Response to kcci (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:10 PM

61. .2/1000,000

So liberal guns laws are helping to say the very least.

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:04 PM

69. Gun control is useless nonsense.

 

So is trying to argue that life in the US is scary, or blaming a Dem mayor.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:26 PM

31. The city is almost evenly split. The county is strongly GOP.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:29 AM

50. Nice try!

Do you really believe that if Filthy Filner* had continued in office the crime stats would be any different? NO WAY you could make the case.

And by the way, although I always vote for the Dem in federal elections, I voted for Kevin Faulconer over Alvarez.

* note to those not familiar with our local politics, Bob Filner, a Democrat, was elected as mayor in 2012 and resigned in 2013. A special election resulted in the election of Faulconer.

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Response to Zappa Dappa Doo (Reply #50)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:48 AM

52. We got rid of Filner, our first Democratic mayor in decades, BECAESE HE TURNED OUT TO BE A CRIMINAL!

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ETA Filner was our first ELECTED mayor since 1986 when Maureen O'Connor was voted in. Prior to "Mayor Mo," there had not been a Democrat elected to the office since Frank Curran, who served from 1963 to 1971.

There have been three INTERIM mayors who were Democrats since Mayor Mo's retirement.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:39 PM

54. We've also had two Republican

mayors who resigned, Hedgecock and Murphy.

Too boring to get into, but you know that until the recent strong mayor system the city council had more power, and IIR, although officially nonpartisan, the majority of each council has more often than not been Democrats.

My point is that it's not so much which party is in charge that keeps our crime rate relatively low, it's more a function of the people who live here, bolstered by a strong economy and a great lifestyle. As far as I'm concerned there's no other place in the U.S. I'd rather live.

But if you want to pretend it's all due to the political party of the mayor go right ahead.

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Response to Zappa Dappa Doo (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:49 PM

56. I'm not the one who advanced the claim that Democratic policies cause problems like crime.

I have stated more than once that the causality might go the other way or that there might not be one.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:28 PM

58. My apologies, I agree with your reasoned position.

I think the vast number of mindless, repetitive threads of late has taken its toll.

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:19 PM

9. Indianapolis and Houston

saw murder rates go up during 2014.

Both of those cities switched to democratic mayors in Jan 2016.

Eight of the country’s most violent cities, led by Chicago, experienced decreases last year.

Only Houston, +12%, and Indianapolis, +8%, were up from 2013 to 2014.

http://fox59.com/2015/01/18/indy-ranks-in-top-ten-for-murder/

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:52 PM

22. From your story

"Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn said the mounting homicide toll in his city of 600,000 is driven by Wisconsin's "absurdly weak" gun laws – carrying a concealed weapon without a state-issued concealed carry is a misdemeanor in the Badger State – as well a subculture within the city that affirms the use of deadly violence to achieve status and growing distrust of police in some parts of the city."

Notice how he immediately tries to throw law abiding concealed carriers under the bus, when statistically those legally carrying concealed are among the least likely to be involved in a crime....by associating them with illegal carriers?
Then goes on to dance around the gang violence that is the REAL problem?

"subculture"...indeed.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:54 PM

23. The guns laws more absurdly weak in Republican cities, they don't mention that.

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:58 PM

24. Please show us

How "absurdly weak gun laws" have caused an increase in crime over those democrat cities with strong gun laws
Since you insinuate it is a problem.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:01 PM

27. wasn't too hard.....

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:05 PM

29. Apparently it is.

How about a real example?
From yours,

"In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city’s crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township’s crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/#czBHAjflJVYKrPT9.99

That actually does the oppositve of supporting your theory. It works to disprove it.
Those "absurdly weak" gun laws resulted in one city's growth and complete lack of shootings
While "strong" gun laws in another resulted in an INCREASE of crime compared to the countywide average, and negative growth.
Might help to actually read the articles before you post them.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:13 PM

62. So the town with stricter laws has more crime, and the town with more lax laws has less.

Am I right?

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #62)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:08 PM

64. If your intent was to support your statement that a policy of less gun laws are "absurd"

even when they result in a better living environment,
I would say that the example you provided did not support your statement as I interpret it.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #64)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:11 PM

65. Do stronger gun laws make cities safer?

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #65)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:27 PM

66. They don't seem to hurt the city of Kennesaw

But they didn't seem to do a lick of good in Morton Grove.
Do you think stronger gun laws make cities safer?

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #66)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:31 PM

67. Nope, demographics matter more than guns. Kennesaw has weak gun laws.

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #67)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:35 PM

68. "demographics matter more than guns"

Then tell us, which demographics should have their rights restricted more than others?

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Response to ibtruthin (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:03 PM

28. You already showed that you're not real good with years.

My reference was from the local Indianapolis news and was for 2014.

Yours is a trend for the first part of 2015.

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:03 PM

37. Because Hello Kitty...

 

...probably

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:07 PM

38. Class

Cities where the roots of crime are widespread vote Democratic, not because of the crime but because the Democratic Party is the party which, traditionally, attacks the roots of crime.

The Republican Party attacks the criminals, not the roots of crime.

Democrats afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted; Republicans afflict the afflicted and comfort the comfortable.

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Response to fishlore (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:15 PM

40. How is this strategy working out for you?

Hint: it isn't.

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #40)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:49 PM

53. Working out fine

Hint: silly post

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Response to fishlore (Reply #53)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:22 PM

57. Ah,

So all the cities with democratic leadership are utopia dreamlands, clean with no crime, strong economies, positive growth, freedom for their citizens, and no homeless/drug use?
Like Chicago, NY, Seattle, San Francisco, L.A., Philidalphia, Washington D.C.....
Care to buy a bridge? I've got a nice one for sale

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Response to safestuffer (Reply #57)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:44 AM

70. Could I see the bridge pleas?

You did a fine job of summarizing the goals of the Democractic administrations in the cities you named. Of course, it is very difficult for cities to influence their conditions in the face of opposing control by state legislatures and the federal government. Many of our cities have been bled white by outside forces. I'm sure you are aware of the difference in fiscal and legislative autonomy in metropolitan areas of the EU. Conservatives howl about states' rights but no one wants to stand up for cities' rights, do they?

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:12 PM

39. Morality. Democrats are immoral. And this immorality gives rise to the thought that anyone can do

anything they want without punishment. Basically, it's that Democrats have no idea what is right from what is wrong. It's all a matter of feelings. If Sanders gets to be President everyone will understand that to the max. With Hillary, not so much.

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Response to joefriday6 (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 09:49 PM

45. Oh, good grief! Broadbrush much?

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:01 PM

46. Because you're totally making shit up.

Troll.

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:12 PM

47. Correlation does not prove causation. It may be that people who live in dangerous cities...

...register as Democrats for some reason.

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:53 AM

51. Because you have not done municipal amalgamation

like we have in Canada. You end up with teeny tiny poor cities. We end up with cities with a broad tax base and good schools. You like separating people by race and class. Cause that is how Republicans like it. So their 1% doesn't have to pay taxes.

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:53 PM

59. handouts not working no respect anything goes

the list goes on and on from lib policy

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Response to ibtruthin (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:25 PM

60. The story sure gets to fantasy quickly

The NRA supports rule of law and law and order.

The NRA supports proper firearms training and only the safe and sane use of firearms unless it is a case of self defense.

The NRA does not support the democratic governments of the cities that have created the culture of recreational homicide that is practiced locally every weekend.

The NRA clearly states its goals and is funded by sportsmen and second amendment supporters from every corner of our nation. There are many democrats who are NRA members and who depend on the NRA to represent them as well.

The fantasy of the left is that the NRA is some kind of giant beast but that it just left wing BS spin. The NRA is made up of US citizens who insist in their constitutional rights as dictated in the bill of rights.

The NRA is "We the People"..... The people who still believe in our constitutional rights and responsibilities of personal and family security.

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