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Sun Oct 9, 2016, 01:41 PM

Killings rise anew in Tijuana, a city haunted by years of violence

Killings rise anew in Tijuana, a city haunted by years of violence

This strikes home to me as I have in-laws who live there. And, while the articles doesn't say so, this violence isn't political like here but due to drugs. Drugs bought and used by Americans.

With 636 killings in Tijuana through the end of September, 2016 is shaping up to be the most violent year since 2010, and last month’s 89 homicides made it the most violent so far this year.

Full story @ http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-tijuana-crime-20161005-snap-story.html

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Reply Killings rise anew in Tijuana, a city haunted by years of violence (Original post)
sargentodiaz Oct 2016 OP
Bushmaster330 Oct 2016 #1
Sebastopolitan Oct 2016 #3
Bushmaster330 Oct 2016 #6
_eek Oct 2016 #7
TIMETOCHANGE Oct 2016 #2
Sebastopolitan Oct 2016 #4
TIMETOCHANGE Oct 2016 #5
OneLoudVoice Oct 2016 #8

Response to sargentodiaz (Original post)

Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:02 PM

1. There is one way to stop this

But no one has the balls to do it! So the best thing is just to shut down he border and wall them off. They will be on their own but path of least resistance.

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Response to Bushmaster330 (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:11 PM

3. That is a non-responsive reply.

 

How does walling off the border stop violence in Tijuana?

Never mind that shutting down the border is a pipe dream.

If you really want to reduce the killings in Tijuana, legalize the drug trade. That's what's providing the fuel for the cartel wars down there, and for a lot of the violence in our cities, too.

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Response to Sebastopolitan (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 9, 2016, 04:31 PM

6. No you just push 20 miles into mexico!

Then make that 20 miles a no mans land and a free fire zone, end of problem!!

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Response to Bushmaster330 (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 10, 2016, 09:28 AM

7. Hard to DMZ an area with an urban population of over 6 million people

This is just the Major cities over 250K
TJ 1.7 million
J-Town 1.5 million
Mexicali 690,000
Reynosa 675,000
Matamoros 450,000
Nuevo Laredo 375,000




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Response to sargentodiaz (Original post)

Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:08 PM

2. With all that stricter than Nazi Germany

 

gun control. You'd think they'd have zero violence. Oh wait....the violence only really quieted when groups like Autodefensa said fuck it and rose up and started killing the narcos and arming themselves in outright defiance of the government. Then the government, corrupted and owned by cartels, had to shut that stuff down quiet like. Because you cant' have innocent people defending themselves. A sentiment Democrats quite often agree with.

The simplest thing we could to help disarm the cartels would be to decriminalize all drugs and treat their possession and trafficking like ticketable offenses. Have a crack rock, pay a $200 ticket. Don't pay your ticket? No food stamps for you and get a thirty day stint in jail doing work release to pay off the debt.

We might as well legalize and regulate prostitution while we're at it. Like in Germany and get all those sweet deals on cheap hookers while collecting tax money and getting women in a position to easily earn a grand plus a week while working 20 hours or less. Boom fixed your problems.

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Response to TIMETOCHANGE (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 9, 2016, 03:18 PM

4. Much like Chicago, Mexico has neighbors with very lax gun laws.

 

Your Autodefensas theory doesn't really work. That was localized in Michoacan and had absolutely no impact on levels of cartel violence across the country. And they worked with the government at first. But they tended to be as thuggish and crooked as they guys they were fighting (in fact, there is some suspicion they were really arms of rival cartels).

Violence went down in Tijuana because the Sinaloa Cartel won.

Violence went down in Juarez because the Sinaloa Cartel won.

Things are pretty nasty in Tamaulipas because those Gulf and Zeta guys are fighting each other.

Violence is going up in Tijuana because the cartels are fighting over the franchise again.

I think drugs ought to be legalized, not decriminalized. Why fine or jail someone for using a drug? And decriminalization doesn't solve the problem of violence and corruption related to the supply of illicit drugs.

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Response to Sebastopolitan (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 9, 2016, 04:17 PM

5. To help with the flow of American guns into Mexico

 

They could build a wall and conduct pervasive searches of everyone entering their country like they do on the southern border (they're building a wall there). You're right I overstated the Autodefensa issue but at the end of the day Mexico's problems are their own making. Their government is corrupt and run by cartels. They keep the people disarmed and so the cartels run free with people better off working for the cartels in many instances than for the government.

I agree with legalizing drugs, the drug war is a waste of time and money and ending it would help speed up natural selection but most people can't get with the idea of legalizing crack cocaine. Decriminalizing it and going after drug traffickers via the IRS to me seems more possible. Spare the users, stand on the necks of the traffickers.

Mexico has many problems and its impotent state is a state most of its people are content with. Short of rolling like the Phillipines and just killing drug dealers and cartel affiliates on sight. Mexico's problems will only persist. And those problems are no reason to infringe on Americans and their rights.

Chicago's troubles are the result of well-intentioned but flawed welfare system. Too many poor people given reason to stay in self-created war zones. Tear down the ghettos, get rid of public housing, and create a federal jobs program while getting rid of migrant labor permits for foreigners. And a lot of these issues would disappear.

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Response to sargentodiaz (Original post)

Tue Oct 11, 2016, 01:10 AM

8. Time to fix this problem, at least the parts that are our problem

Legalize pot, and thus make the cross border smuggling non cost effective, lowering volume while simultaneously depriving the cartels of funding.

Then criminalize hiring illegals. Make the cost of hiring an illegal immigrant so exorbitant in fines, plus criminal penalties, that no one will chance it. And stop the second half of the illicit border flow.

You still end up with meth, coke, and what have you. But you've shut down the bulk of the flow, which means that the facilities and personnel that we already have on the border have a decent chance of being effective.

And the money to run criminal enterprise in TI, and all across the border zone, drops significantly.

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