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Mon Mar 20, 2017, 05:04 AM

Sweden Brings Back Conscription

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20170319.aspx

Sweden has revived conscription, after ending it in 2010. Back then Sweden was following a trend that had led most European nations to abandon conscription. While Britain had eliminated conscription in 1963, most European nations did not follow that example until the Cold War ended in 1991 with the collapse of Soviet Union. Suddenly the huge “Red Army” (Russian armed forces) that had threatened Europe since the end of World War II was gone. But the Russian threat returned in 2014 and Sweden was reminded that two decades of defense budget cuts and a lack of volunteers for military service had left Sweden unable to defend itself. By 2016 opinion polls revealed that over 70 percent of Swedes wanted conscription revived. As a result of this shift in public opinion the government did just that, but with a few changes.

The revived conscription is unlike the original concept, which took nearly all men who were physically, mentally and psychologically able. The 2017 version is more selective and includes women as well as men. Conscription will now put a lot more emphasis on accepting only those who want to serve and especially those who are willing to accept positions of responsibility in the reserves. Thus the new conscription will only take about 31 percent of the young men and women available each year and keep them on active duty for 8-12 months. The percentage selected for mandatory service will increase if need be, but the military experts and most voters agree that with some degree of mandatory military service again in force, many young Swedes will find that such service is something they can live with.

The military expects the revival of conscription to help with the growing shortage of technical specialists in the military. In particular the military needs a steady supply of troops who are expert at various types of electronics and software as well as medical and any other unique skills a modern military needs. After 2010 the Swedish military found that even extraordinary measures failed to attract enough men to join the volunteer military force. Even the growing public outcry for adequate defense against the growing Russian threat was not sufficient. This was put into perspective when personnel shortages forced the elimination of full time and reserve troops based on the island of Gotland to defend it against surprise attack. The island used to have a military garrison but that was eliminated in the 1990s as Sweden dismantled its substantial Cold War era defense forces and with the end of conscription it proved impossible to attract enough volunteers from Gotland to sustain the tradition force of military reservists.

Gotland is the largest (at 3,200 square kilometers) of many Swedish island in the Baltic Sea. It had long been a key military target for any invaders, be they from Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union is gone but Russia has again become a threat once more and parliament authorized a Gotland defense force consisting of a 168 man infantry company and a 70 man tank company. The infantry would be full time soldiers while the tank company would be manned by reservists (part time soldiers.) The purpose of this small garrison is to make it impossible for the Russians to take control of Gotland quickly and without loss. The island has a population of 57,000 and during World War II and the Cold War that meant there were over 4,000 local reservists who were armed and organized to deal with any attack. Times have changed and now the army found that even with some energetic recruiting they could not get 200 local men to volunteer.

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 05:39 AM

1. Weeks old news. Off course they have Trump's stupidity to thank !

Mixed signals & inability to have a coherent thought on Trump's part ... but hey, the RW GOP and his Deplorables now Own the Syphilis Rag !



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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 06:17 AM

2. In 2016 opinion polls favored bringing back conscription by 70%

Please tell us how Trump made that happen.

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:24 AM

5. Did you take the time to consider what the article said?

The events the triggered the reinstituting conscription pre-dated Trump. Now that you know that, are you as quick to blame President Obama as your are to blame President Trump?

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:18 AM

7. When you make everything Trump's fault nothing is Trump's fault.

 

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:30 AM

11. Did you have an Aneurysm? that post had nothing to do with SWEDEN and Conscription

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:10 AM

3. it is high time we brought back universal conscription as well

it is better to have a trained force of reserves that you don't need than otherwise.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:16 AM

6. I don't want to have to manage a bunch of slackers at the expense of training & equipment dollars.

 

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Response to NeoKhan (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:21 AM

8. no one will care what you want

it will be the job of ncos to turn whoever shows up in that bus into soldiers.

just like always.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:24 AM

9. With substandard equipment and no training dollars.

 

It's been years since I've been able to take a CLS class into the blood room. CLS still gets taught but everything is "notional."

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Response to rampartb (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:43 AM

13. Where you going to find them without stripping them out of Combat units where they are desperately

needed, Clausewitz?

The Army of 1972 was much bigger with more bases and soldiers available to make training units

We've sold many of the bases used then, the Army is a LOT smaller now

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Response to rampartb (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:40 AM

12. HELL NO!

First of all its Political Suicide for anyone stupid enough to push the issue

Logistically its unworkable

Last time we had a draft we had far more bases to train them. Most have been closed and sold off since 1973.

Say we set a draft of 300K

Where would we find the bases?
Where would we find the barracks space?
Where would we find the Cadremen?( All the necessary soldiers needed to keep a training company functioning and ranges running.)
Where would we find the Trained Drill Sergeants? (You need 2 per 39 man platoon)

Do we strip line units for NCO's and Cadremen? that will affect readiness of units needed for combat duty.

Where do we find the ranges and training areas? (Ranges and TA's are booked solid a year in advance already)

Do we draft married men? (If we do you have to provide housing for the wives and schools for the children)
What is a Draftees pay rate? (in 1972 a Pvt made US$ 307.20 a MONTH. Today a Pvt makes US$ 1,480.00 a month)

Should a draftee be paid less than a Volunteer?

What term of Service do we set? last time it was 2 years

What MOS do we gear it towards?

What deferments if any are allowed?

right now a enlistee has to wait months for a slot to open in the TRADOC pipeline to got to Basic training

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 07:28 AM

4. Swedish soldiers call for combat-tested bras

Women in the Swedish army are demanding the military provide them with combat-tested bras, because their sports underwear unhooks too easily.

Unlike their male counterparts, who are provided with military-issue underwear, Sweden's 500-odd female conscripts must buy bras themselves since there are no military-issue ones.

"The women have had to buy sports bras instead," said Council of Conscripts spokeswoman Paulina Rehbinder.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2009/09/23/swedish-soldiers-call-combat-tested-bras

If I were them I'd want the money spent on Kevlar-Cups

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Response to Juan Rico (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:28 AM

10. Guess that's a side effect of raising a generation of feminized betas.

Not a lot of them are going to be voluntarily joining the armed forces.

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