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Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:11 PM

Am I wrong to get a little concerned that Trump is asking 4 S. Korea to pay 4 THAAD ?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17U09Y





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Reply Am I wrong to get a little concerned that Trump is asking 4 S. Korea to pay 4 THAAD ? (Original post)
RATFINK_5.0 Apr 2017 OP
Currentsitguy Apr 2017 #1
RATFINK_5.0 Apr 2017 #3
Currentsitguy Apr 2017 #5
Jake Apr 2017 #2
RATFINK_5.0 Apr 2017 #6
JaimeBondoJr Apr 2017 #7
Jake Apr 2017 #8
oflguy Apr 2017 #13
Tolk Apr 2017 #4
Scary Red Apr 2017 #9
AmandaCMatthews Apr 2017 #10
oflguy Apr 2017 #11
Duke Lacrosse Apr 2017 #12
AmandaCMatthews May 2017 #14

Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:20 PM

1. Why?

Is it so much to ask for, considering the amount of blood and treasure we have committed to defend Korea that they kick some back?

Hell we've already given them the engineering plans for the F-16 for them to redesign and manufacture domestically. Their tanks, likewise, are a reworking of the M!-A2 Abrams. Where do we get something back to help defray costs? It seems kind of unfair to me to expect the American Taxpayer to bear all of these costs. South Korea is a vibrant economy. Are they incapable of paying for some of this?

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:45 PM

3. True. Yet we live in a dangerous world. There are ways to finance it so the taxpayer profits.

However,

We live in a state of 'perpetual war', as in. Orwell's 1984.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:53 PM

5. I am the world's most dubious dude

But in the case of North Korea I think he is, as my dad put it, Crazier Than A Shithouse Rat.

The stories that have come out of places like Camp 22 sicken me. I think a solid Human Rights case can be made for dealing with him.

At the same time I can see how countries can take advantage of our largess, if it is offered.It ain't a Trump thing. It's just countries accustomed to free, or very low cost defense.

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:44 PM

2. What is your concern?

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Response to Jake (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:01 AM

6. In particular, the loss of individuals, the loss of markets,

the loss of S. Korea, then Japan.

Corportations can be used in either conservative or liberal markets. During wartime, products are rationed. You get a coupon if it's a major conflict for promise when war is over ... when resources are available again.

Corportations would love to turn a profit & sell a limited auto selection in a few or one color.

They have before ...

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:09 AM

7. "The loss of JAPAN"? At the hands of a country that can't light its streets at night?

You're seriously fucking daft.

The loss of Japan. To the NorKs. Fuck me to TEARS I've never read anything so fucking stupid.

Will you lay your head on the pillow tonight with NorKs runnin' all 'round your brain?

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:18 AM

8. Ok but your post was about US asking Korea to pay for a missile sheild

I don't see how what you posted relates to that.

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Response to Jake (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:13 PM

13. I agree Jake

I could not discern a single coherent thought by Fink relating to South Korea and whether they should pay a small fraction toward their own defense.

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:50 PM

4. You are not

This is an issue that is going to be settled.
It should have been settled back in the 50s but that is neither here nor there.
We are obligated to protect S. Korea as per UN agreements.
Things are coming to a head and the South cannot get a free ride on this.
We have the Vincent in position and fully supplied, we also have two other battle groups and resources we likely do not know of in the vicinity and most likely in flight distance, not to mention the islands and land bases.
They are making a lot of money from us through trade, Maybe not as much as we think they are, but I'm sure we will give them a loan.

I believe Trump made a good deal with China.
Our troops are currently training with theirs, we will not make a move unless the little man tests another nuke.
Then we hit and China moves in to clean up.
Not a bad deal.

We don't need to use nukes, we can level any country on earth with just our conventional weapons.
That's well understood internationally...except Maybe in North Korea.




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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Original post)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 08:15 AM

9. Curious how with this Pax Americana thing we are paying to defend S Korea while...

we are cutting education and research budgets at home.

As with NATO, we bought into subsidizing their defense budgets, and perhaps that has forestalled another world war and we are the only ones who could have done it.

But, while we did happily agree to do this over the years, but, like the Romans, Ottomans, Brits, and others have found, these such empires and "peace" are impossible to sustain for long.



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Response to Scary Red (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 11:57 AM

10. According to historian Will Durant, the average life of any great

empire is around 200 years, then over-extension and other problems like the unrest of those under the yoke help kick start its ugly demise. Look at Greece, England/Great Britain, the Spanish, etc. History pretty well validates this premise.

We've got troops all over the planet.


America’s most elite troops deployed to 138 nations in 2016, according to U.S. Special Operations Command. The map above displays the locations of 132 of those countries; 129 locations (blue) were supplied by U.S. Special Operations Command; 3 locations (red) -- Syria, Yemen and Somalia -- were derived from open-source information. (Nick Turse)

Can't fix our roads and bridges. Can't have decent healthcare coverage and fight about feeding the poor but spend BILLIONS on this shit. And this is why we are now called the biggest THREAT to peace on the planet.

And the biggest threat to this country are those who support the military madness.

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Original post)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:05 PM

11. What is your concern?

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Original post)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:13 PM

12. Yes, actually North Korea should pay for it.

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Original post)

Mon May 1, 2017, 10:25 AM

14. NAH! They've already walked back that

bullshit. Or it was just another case of Trump's verbal diarrhea.

Source: Reuters

Sun Apr 30, 2017 | 10:42am EDT

By Ju-min Park and James Pearson | SEOUL

South Korea said the United States had reaffirmed it would shoulder the cost of deploying the THAAD anti-missile system, days after President Donald Trump said Seoul should pay for the $1-billion battery designed to defend against North Korea.

In a telephone call on Sunday, Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, reassured his South Korean counterpart, Kim Kwan-jin, that the U.S. alliance with South Korea was its top priority in the Asia-Pacific region, the South's presidential office said.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17W04T

It's buried in this article. This was just more shit coming out of Trump's mouth:

Defiant North Korea hints at nuclear tests to boost force 'to the maximum'

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