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Wed Sep 13, 2017, 08:54 AM

GOP moves to strip protections from endangered species

In the aftermath of Hurricane Irma, one of the more heartwarming tales of survival involved two adorable manatees that were stranded when the hurricane sucked the water out of Sarasota Bay and were then saved by local residents. But having survived the hurricane, manatees — and every other species protected by the Endangered Species Act — now face a serious threat by congressional Republicans, who are hustling to use the Trump presidency as an opportunity to undermine the 43-year-old law.

This week, Republicans on the House Natural Resources Committee are moving to advance five bills that a coalition of environmental groups, including the Sierra Club and the Natural Resources Defense Council, say “threaten to undermine the Endangered Species Act and the species that benefit from its protections by prioritizing politics over science and undercutting citizens’ ability to help enforce the law.”

All these bills “serve the same purpose of undermining the law, weakening the law disadvantaging species conservation, all under the guise of ‘modernizing and collaborating,'” said Jamie Rappaport Clark, the CEO of Defenders of Wildlife. “But it will only make the challenge of recovering species on the brink of extinction infinitely more difficult.”

Republicans often frame these attacks on the Endangered Species Act as an effort to improve the law. But the chair of the Natural Resources Committee, Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, let the truth slip out in a congressional hearing last December.

http://www.salon.com/2017/09/13/next-up-the-animals-gop-moves-to-strip-protections-from-endangered-species/

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Agent_86 Sep 13 OP
Scary Red Sep 13 #1
Currentsitguy Sep 13 #2
def_con5 Sep 13 #4
Scary Red Sep 14 #5
Currentsitguy Sep 14 #6
Scary Red Sep 14 #7
Currentsitguy Sep 14 #8
Daves Not Here Man Sep 14 #9
Currentsitguy Sep 14 #10
Trevor Sep 13 #3

Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:37 AM

1. It's really all about "convenience"...

Even if I like furry, feathered, and finny things out there, if they get in my way even in the slightest they must go. That is not just a conservative attitude (although they're the most obvious) but all of us share it to some extent.

"Go ahead and protect all the species you want (except maybe mosquitoes) but don't expect me to pay for it or be inconvenienced in the slightest."


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Response to Scary Red (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:57 AM

2. There needs to be better protection for private land owners

I am a huge supporter of wildlife and we regularly donate to several natural resource groups. However, if I found an endangered species on my property I, like many others, would be tempted to quietly kill and dispose of it for fear of losing use of my land without compensation.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 07:32 PM

4. Plus it backfires

Many moons ago, I read an article about a family business that had been logging for over a hundred years. They would cut one area re-seed, then move on to another. So as you can imagine they had some pretty decent forest with lots of wildlife.

The wacko environmentalist descended on their land trying to identify endangered species to shut em down. This was going on during the spotted owl wars.

So he clear cut everything, and shut down before he lost it all.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:56 AM

5. There is the question of balance...

but now you're jumping into that whole stew of property rights.

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Response to Scary Red (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:00 AM

6. I suppose

I am thinking more of someone mortgaged up to the hilt who suddenly finds themselves regulated out of the ability to use their land and simultaneously unable to sell it because it has suddenly become essentially worthless with no compensation. It seems like a back door form of Eminent Domain to me.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:26 AM

7. In other areas I've heard of hassles with prairie potholes...

and such where some people claimed to be harassed, but don't know enough about what really happened. Were they actually screwed or are they just bitching and moaning?

Around here, though, we've become almost numb to planning and zoning boards, homeowners associations, business districts, tidelands and beach erosion problems, underground water pollution, and whatever hits the news tomorrow "taking" property rights.

Small case in point-- piping plovers are threatened overall, and actually endangered in our area. They nest on beaches, and in addition to foxes and hawks raiding the nests, it's now cats and humans killing them. The nests are difficult to see, naturally, so dune buggies and surfers regularly run over them. The answer is to put up fencing around the nests, which is no problem on public beaches, but private waterfront owners often bitch that a temporary 25 square foot fenced area will ruin their lives.

A much bigger problem is that waterfront homeowners too often remove the natural vegetation and put in lawns. That leads to fertilizing and nitrogen runoff that feeds algae blooms-- some of which are actually poisonous and eventually mean large fish kills and loss of eelgrass and other natural flora. Same problem with many local farms, but few of them are waterfront, and they are large enough that control measures are easier. And, the farms produce food and economic value, so they have a good argument for less restrictive measures.


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Response to Scary Red (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:48 AM

8. This sounds all tree-huggy

But people do need to learn to live in some semblance of ecological balance with their local environment. For example, it's crazy to try to cultivate a lawn in Phoenix. It is a hideous waste of water and contributes to local smog.

At the same time I feel for the family who scrimped and saved to buy a small plot "up in the mountains" for a weekend getaway only to find some bird or something has been found and they can't put up the small cabin they dreamed of and can't get rid of it to buy and build elsewhere.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:05 PM

9. My mom lives in the mountains of NC...

She has eastern diamondbacks out there and they're protected. She has mentioned that she has come across them while outside with her dog, walking the property.

She's alone and in a rural area. I told her, if she comes across one near the house, kill it. Bury it. Don't fuck around. Her life is far more important.

I understand the importance of preservation. But I love my mom more.

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Response to Daves Not Here Man (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:15 PM

10. I understand completely

A few years back I had Copperheads in a woodpile. I got rid of them even though it killed me to do so. I didn't want me, my wife, dog, or a neighbor to get hurt.

The cool thing we have now is a Golden Eagle living in the woods behind the house. The other day we were sitting on the patio and it swept down and snatched a chipmunk about 15 feet away. It was startling and amazing at the same time. It just went to teach me to go outside and not bring the camera along.

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Response to Agent_86 (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 07:18 PM

3. Pigs!!!!

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