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Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:10 AM

Trump Justice Dept. tells D.C. Judge destroying Presidential records legal


Deleted tweets? Purges of phone records? The erasing of secretly recorded conversations? The Trump Administration tells a D.C. judge that courts can't review compliance with preservation laws.
It's a question that pops up pretty much every time that Donald Trump deletes a tweet: Is he violating the Presidential Records Act?

In a court filing Friday, not only do attorneys at the Justice Department say that courts can't review this, but they also argue that when it comes to laws pertaining to government record-keeping, judicial review would be inappropriate even if Trump deleted secret recordings with administration officials or even if his staff purged phone records because they expected to be subpoenaed in connection with various investigations.

The arguments come in response to a lawsuit from the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, D.C.

In a complaint filed in June (read here in full), the watchdog group cited the Presidential Records Act and challenged the way Trump and staffers "seek to evade transparency and government accountability" by the alleged use of certain communications practices and by a consolidation of power that allegedly results in records being shielded from other disclosure laws like the Freedom of Information Act. In particular, CREW nodded to news reports that White House staffers were using Signal to send encrypted, disappearing messages as well as resorting to the secret chat app Confide to duck any record preservation. Also mentioning Trump's famous tweet implying a taped conversation with former FBI Director James Comey and the president's repeated deletion of social media messages, the plaintiff is asking for injunctive relief compelling Trump and his staff to comply with duties under the Presidential Records Act.

"Courts cannot review the President’s compliance with the Presidential Records Act," states Trump's motion to dismiss.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-can-destroy-records-judicial-review-justice-department-tells-court-1046929


More obstruction of justice.

Mueller is going to have a field day.

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Reply Trump Justice Dept. tells D.C. Judge destroying Presidential records legal (Original post)
wonderwarthog Oct 2017 OP
Da Mannn Oct 2017 #1
RATFINK_5.0 Oct 2017 #3
wonderwarthog Oct 2017 #5
RATFINK_5.0 Oct 2017 #7
wonderwarthog Oct 2017 #4
Da Mannn Oct 2017 #6
rahtruelies Oct 2017 #2
Will Morningstar Oct 2017 #11
foia Oct 2017 #8
wonderwarthog Oct 2017 #9
foia Oct 2017 #10

Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:16 AM

1. The Hollywood Reporter? A gossip rag is your source? Really?

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:19 AM

3. Hollywood Reporter not a gossip rag. Ever read an issue ?

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Response to RATFINK_5.0 (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:22 AM

5. good morning, dude!

I posted 2 other sources for the doubting righties.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:28 AM

7. Good Morning 'Mr.' Dude !

... have togo work, sending project out in 90 min, God Willing, then I'll have more time here.

TGIF !

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:21 AM

4. ask and you shall recieve


Press reports that Trump administration staffers were using special messaging applications designed to destroy the contents of communications inspired a lawsuit by two open government groups.

The lawsuit, filed in June by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the National Security Archive, wanted a federal court to rule that "knowing use" of such burn-after-reading apps and the failure of the administration to issue policy on such apps are violations of the Presidential Records Act.

The Justice Department, in a motion to dismiss the lawsuit, argues that the president has near-total authority over the disposition of presidential records under the law. The government is basing its arguments on a pair of cases from the early 1990s, known in the federal records bar as Armstrong I and Armstrong II, which cover the disposition of electronic records from the National Security Council, and the applicability of the Freedom of Information Act to presidential materials. The motion sets out what read like sweeping authorities for the president when it comes to materials under the Presidential Records Act.

https://fcw.com/articles/2017/10/10/lawsuit-pra-trump-crew.aspx

Two government watchdog groups on Thursday sued President Donald Trump over his record keeping, accusing the president of violating federal law and the Constitution by destroying presidential records instead of preserving them so they could eventually be made public.

The groups, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the National Security Archive, filed the lawsuit Thursday morning in federal court in the District of Colombia.

Related: Trump Twitter blocking 'violates First Amendment'
“From early on in this Administration, White House staff have used and…continue to use certain email messaging applications that destroy the contents of messages as soon as they are read, without regard to whether the messages are presidential records,” the suit states

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-lawsuit-watchdog-group-records-signal-confide-twitter-destroy-628281

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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:25 AM

6. Newsweek another crappy source. You seem addicted to

crappy fake news

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:19 AM

2. ****** FAKE NEWS ALERT FROM THE DELUSIONAL IN THE 57 STATES*****

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:45 PM

11. *****CLASSIC FAKE NEWS PSY-OP FROM THE PROFESSIONAL IN THE HEINZ 57 VARIETIES*****

 

"I'll be truth in raw true lies"
Rah rah rah, raw true lies
Dems are Blue, Ketchup is Red
Only good Dem is Dem that's ***HEINZ 57 VARIETIES***

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Response to wonderwarthog (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:06 AM

8. "Mueller is going to have a field day."

Do you know what the scope of Mueller's assignment as special counsel is?

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Response to foia (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 03:08 PM

9. Anything he finds

In the course of the investigation.

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Response to wonderwarthog (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 03:16 PM

10. Wrong. The scope of his investigation is possible Trump campaign collusion with Russia.

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