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Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:18 AM

NATO Not Enough? EU Launches Own Military Alliance

Published time: 13 Nov, 2017 13:27
Edited time: 13 Nov, 2017 21:56

The EU has moved a step closer towards having a joint military force by signing an agreement on a permanent command structure.

The agreement on PESCO, or Permanent Structured Cooperation, was signed in Brussels by 23 members of the 28-strong European Union on Monday. EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini supported the move, hailing it as an “historic moment.” Backed by a €5-billion ($6.5-billion) EU defense fund, PESCO “will enable member states to use the economy of scale of Europe and in this manner to fulfil the gap of output that we have.”

The agreement will come into force in December, after which members will be legally bound to participate in projects under PESCO. Work on the pact started last year amid uncertainty over the UK’s decision to withdraw from the European Union, and US President Donald Trump’s continued criticism of European NATO members for failing to deliver on defense-spending commitments.

European heavyweights Germany and France are leading the effort to bring the EU closer to having a permanent joint armed force. The UK, which has been opposing a pan-European military force for decades, is not part of the agreement. Denmark, Ireland, Portugal, and Malta opted out; while Austria, not a member of NATO, agreed to join at the last moment.

PESCO is touted as a path to boost the efficiency of the European military by eliminating redundancies, streamlining defense acquisitions, and boosting logistics through a network of hubs spread across the continent. It is also intended to establish joint training of military officers. NATO’s attempt to reform the contribution of European allies goes along similar lines.

According to Reuters, Germany and France were in disagreement over the future role for a joint European military force, with Paris advocating for a more exclusive and capable defense club with potential for overseas deployments. Berlin, which championed a more inclusive approach, apparently prevailed with its vision.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:29 AM

1. Bathroom Barry can handle it


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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 03:40 AM

2. So the EU can fund 6.5 billion dollars into an EU defense fund, but

they can't deliver on their defense spending commitments to NATO?

Yet again, Trump is correct.

Fuck the EU. Dismantle NATO and let them go it on their own. We have individual treaties with most European states that can cover any needs for military assistance that might arise.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 07:59 AM

3. They have to stop buying from the US and UK and make their own equipment

The EU will never become a first rate military force unless they produce their own stuff.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:38 AM

6. Most Bundeswehr and Armee de la Terre gear is produced in those nations, Clausewitz...

Leopard Tank? Rheinmetall AG
G36 Rifle? Heckler and Koch

AMX Leclerc Tank? GIAT
FAMAS Rifle? Saint-Étienne

France especially is loathe to use anything American made in its Defence forces


France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Holland, Spain all have arms factories that do quite well

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:06 AM

8. FAMAS?

eeew.

Everything else.. yup

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Response to _eek (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:09 AM

9. Just examples. I do know a Cav Capt who did a year exchange who swears by the FAMAS though

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:18 AM

11. They feel odd, and I have worked with L85A2 and the Tavor and even the AUG.

So it's not the bullpup design.. That and the French refusal to make it STANAG*.. it's just so... French.




*except the Marine G2's which are actually a nice rifle.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:04 AM

7. Like this stuff???













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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:59 AM

4. Fourth Reich anyone?

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:10 AM

10. You tingly?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:00 PM

13. Isn't there some lies to defend McCoward you need to be telling somewhere

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 10:20 AM

5. The European Union

was sold as a way to buy, sell and move product between nations like we do here in the US. But just like any big government they stared to meddle in local laws and social issues that the enlighten EU leaders wanted to change.

Now they want their own EU military. This was never the goal of the EU and a classic lesson in liberal government operations.

I say sell them our military bases in Europe and bring out kids and toys home.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 11:30 AM

12. That tells me the EU doesnt want the US deciding its future

NATO was a form of control over Europe that was directed from Washington and now the Europeans are finally waking up. Our little Rome is burning faster and faster.

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