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Thu Jan 11, 2018, 04:35 AM

DOJ and FBI Used Steele Dossier for Application To FISA Court for Search Authority of Trump



It can be difficult to see through the wording to understand the accurate story. Sara Carter and Fox News are both confirming the DOJ and FBI used the Steele Dossier to get FISA-702 Data Surveillance Authority allowing them to spy on Trump campaign officials.

In the latest developments, as reported by Sara Carter and Fox News, the DOJ and FBI used the sketchy ‘Steele Dossier’ as the foundation for their FISA application.



Both Carter and Hannity use the term “FISA Warrants”, however in the interest of understanding, and accurately portraying what took place, it was not technically a “warrant” as we traditionally think about it.

A warrant implies advanced judicial approval to begin surveillance and collecting emails and phone calls etc. Like a traditional Title III DOJ / law enforcement search warrant. But that’s not how FISA-702 works.


The FISA database, run by the NSA hub, already holds all the information, all the emails, texts, phone calls etc. The information already exists in a database. There are two steps to access the database of information:

♦Step One is to “Query” the database for your subject. That search needs a factual legal reason to take place; like an ongoing investigation. That search then returns an outcome, a set of information based on the “query” parameters. If the user gets a positive response to the “query” then Yes, the database holds information related to what they are looking for. Remember, there has to be a preexisting investigation to do the query.

♦Step Two is to “Open” the data set. That’s the step that needs a “search warrant” to be legal. That second step, the ‘looking at the information’ is where an approval from the FISA court is needed. The investigator must fill out a FISA application and go to the FISA Court for approval. In order to get a FISA Court approval the investigator must show a valid reason for the search.

As reported by Sara Carter and Fox News, the DOJ and FBI used the sketchy ‘Steele Dossier’ as the foundation for their FISA application.

In 2016 NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers noted there were numerous FISA-702(17) unauthorized “About Queries” being conducted by the intelligence community. These are queries that did not have an underlying investigation to support their taking place

.Example (not real):

•Step One: The DOJ/FBI official puts “Jared Kushner” into the search query. This generates a number of responses. Perhaps his emails, phone call logs, actual intercepted recordings of his calls, or text messages, etc. (everything the NSA hub captures “about” Jared Kushner). There has to be a valid investigative reason in this step. An investigation of Jared Kushner must be underway.

•Step Two: The DOJ/FBI official then quarantines the returned information and applies to the FISA Court for permission to review it. The FBI/DOJ official has to tell the court why they want to look, ie. the FISA application. The FISA court grants the application and gives the FBI/DOJ official the approval. The application must have a legal basis as presented to the court – similar to that needed for a search warrant.

In essence, government officials were searching the system for information “About” U.S. principals not under any legal investigation. On October 26th 2016 Admiral Rogers reported those unauthorized searches to the FISA court and shut down the “About Query” process permanently.



SARA CARTER – The unverified dossier alleging connections between President Trump’s campaign and the Russians was used as evidence by the FBI to gain approval from a secret court to monitor members of Trump’s team, this reporter has learned.

A large portion of the evidence presented in the salacious 35-page dossier put together by former British spy Christopher Steele, has either been proven wrong or remains unsubstantiated. However, the FBI gained approval nevertheless to surveil members of Trump’s campaign and “it’s outrageous and clearly should be thoroughly investigated,” said a senior law enforcement source, with knowledge of the process.

Multiple sources told this reporter that the dossier was used along with other evidence to obtain the warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as FISC. The sources also stressed that there will be more information in the coming week regarding systemic “FISA abuse.”

“(The dossier) certainly played a role in obtaining the warrant,” added another senior U.S. official, with knowledge of the dossier. “Congress needs to look at the FBI officials who were handling this case and see what, if anything, was verified in the dossier. I think an important question is whether the FBI payed anything to the source for the dossier.” (read more)

President Obama’s political operatives within the DOJ-NSD were using FISA 702(17) surveillance “about inquiries” that would deliver electronic mail and phone communication for U.S. people (Trump campaign). The NSD unit (John Carlin) was working in coordination with the FBI Counterintelligence Unit (Bill Priestap, Peter Strzok etc.) to look at Trump campaign activity. DOJ Attorney Lisa Page was the intermediary between the DOJ National Security Division and he FBI Counterintelligence Division.

All research indicates the information the DOJ and FBI collected via their FISA-702(16)(17) queries, and the stuff Fusion GPS was creating via Christopher Steele (The “Russian Dossier), was used to create the Russian Narrative, “The Insurance Policy“.

♦Ultimately, the people within all of these unlawful intercepts of information is what Devin Nunes discovered when he looked at the “unmasking requests” which were a result of those FISA 702(17) collections on Team Trump. That’s why Devin Nunes was so stunned at what he saw in February and March 2017.

The ENTIRE SYSTEM of surveillance and data collection was weaponized against a political campaign. They used the FISA Court to gain access to private data in order to monitor the Trump campaign and conduct surveillance on the officials therein.



https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/10/confirmation-doj-and-fbi-used-steele-dossier-for-application-to-fisa-court-for-search-authority-on-trump-campaign/

Obama is supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar? I doubt he's ever read it

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 05:50 AM

1. Obama's background was as a Chicago pol. Politics has always been a dirty game in the...

Windy City. Obama just brought the trade skills he had learned in Chicago to the Oval Office. He hoped to run our nation like the Daley family ran Chicago. He made a damn good start. if Hillary had been elected she and her Clinton Machine would have finished the job and added a touch of the Arkansas Mob and Arkancide as the topping.







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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 06:24 AM

2. This should be the biggest scandal in modern

history. This makes Watergate look like a child's prank.

Where is the media outrage? I forgot Two scoooooops. And Where is the ACLU? I forgot fighting for nuts jobs to use the girls bathroom.

Obama weaponized the DOJ against it's political opposition as if it was a crime to be opposed to the democrats.

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Response to fszwfnj (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 06:41 AM

3. We may as well put in ALL the Chips

When the trail leads into the Oval Office (and it will), Trump should order Obama’s College Records unsealed so we can see if (rightly or wrongly) he went through Harvard as a Foreign Student





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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 07:20 AM

4. The real news? Obama's FBI used a Hillary hit piece to get to spying on the

Trump campaign.

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Response to Dumper (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 07:38 AM

5. And the IRS targeted Conservative Leaning Organizations

But Obama was Scandal Free, the Media said so

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:14 AM

6. Time to go on the offense

No more cooperating. This needs to be shut down, and a real formal investigation opened,

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:18 AM

7. Hopefully the Inspector General report will push things that direction

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:33 AM

8. The President is pushing for the program

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:38 AM

9. The Concept is sound, we are not supposed to have corrupt FBI/DOJ People

The Country owes this man a BIG Thank You

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:44 AM

10. The concept of using data gathered under mass warrant less surveillance

To be used to charge and prosecute people is absolutely NOT sound.

Interesting that you approve of an Obama era appointee.
"In January 2014, the Obama Administration announced Rogers' nomination as director of the National Security Agency and the commander of the United States offensive cyberoperations unit in the Department of Defense"

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:07 AM

11. Hes a Man of Integrity, lessons learned from this

Can ensure it doesn’t happen again

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:14 AM

13. Your confidence in government and the Intelligence

apparatus to do the right thing somewhere down the road exceeds mine.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:12 AM

12. "Obama is supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar?"

That fell by the wayside when he made his unConstitutional grab for the Presidency

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 04:27 PM

14. I was right. CNN was right.

That's if this current account is true.

"Multiple sources told this reporter that the dossier was used ALONG WITH OTHER EVIDENCE to obtain the warrant"

That's what I've been telling the righties here on Discussionist, A FISA warrant couldn't have been obtained on the dossier alone. There must have been more. Of course, the righties didn't believe it and insulted me. I was right though, if this current account it to be believed.

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Response to Trevor (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 07:29 PM

15. "...ALONG WITH OTHER EVIDENCE" Yeah, a drunk ass guy on Trump team said

that the Russian female lawyer was meeting with the Trump team about Russian dirt on Hillary....you know that female Russian lawyer who was not allowed to enter the U.S but Obama signed off on it to let her in "just this time"...and she was also on Fusion GPS payroll and met with them.

Yeah...that "other evidence" sure is rock-solid.

Freddy got fingered!

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Response to DoDaMan (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:42 PM

16. Do you think there was a conspiracy

to let the Russian lawyer in for a plot to set up the Trump tower meeting? If so, do you think Obama or Hillary were in on it?

I don't know what other evidence was used to get the FISA warrant. How do you know?

She was on Fusion GPS's payroll? I'll have to skim the transcript of the hearing. Amazing if its true and Fusion wasn't asked about ti.

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