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Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:17 AM

In the name of tolerance, you WILL say YES!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/kanesville-elementary-school-utah-say-no-dance-natalie-richard-a8205306.html%3famp

“A mother has been left outraged after her daughter’s school introduced a policy that states students aren’t allowed to say “no” when asked to dance.”

“Her daughter explained that teachers had told the students, aged between 11 and 12, that they had to say “yes” when someone asked them to dance.”

“Lane Findlay, community relations specialist with the Weber School District, confirmed that it is in fact a rule, but added that it’s meant to teach students how to be inclusive.”


And this is where liberal’s idea of tolerance at all costs gets us. The boys get to make an offer the girls can’t refuse, literally; teaching the girls they can’t have personal preference because that is intolerant.

Goes right along with the idea that single, straight people are bigots if they refuse the advances of a transgender that identifies as the gender the straight person would typically be attracted to, but has the opposite genitals. Personal preference is no longer allowed.

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Reply In the name of tolerance, you WILL say YES!!! (Original post)
Hades Feb 2018 OP
House of Roberts Feb 2018 #1
rampartb Feb 2018 #2
Charlie Mike Feb 2018 #4
rampartb Feb 2018 #7
Charlie Mike Feb 2018 #8
Charlie Mike Feb 2018 #9
Hades Feb 2018 #14
Charlie Mike Feb 2018 #3
Gamle-ged Feb 2018 #6
MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Feb 2018 #26
Gamle-ged Feb 2018 #33
MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Feb 2018 #34
Gamle-ged Feb 2018 #39
Hades Feb 2018 #12
FreeWheelBurning Feb 2018 #13
smoke check Feb 2018 #5
Jack Burton Feb 2018 #10
Mouth of Chaos Feb 2018 #11
Wyntir Feb 2018 #15
liberalguy Feb 2018 #16
Hades Feb 2018 #17
Qukid Feb 2018 #18
liberalguy Feb 2018 #19
Hades Feb 2018 #23
MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Feb 2018 #20
liberalguy Feb 2018 #22
Gamle-ged Feb 2018 #36
liberalguy Feb 2018 #40
Gamle-ged Feb 2018 #41
JanetS Feb 2018 #21
liberalguy Feb 2018 #24
FreeWheelBurning Feb 2018 #25
liberalguy Feb 2018 #27
Hades Feb 2018 #28
liberalguy Feb 2018 #32
Hades Feb 2018 #35
MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Feb 2018 #43
Hades Feb 2018 #47
FreeWheelBurning Feb 2018 #29
liberalguy Feb 2018 #31
MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Feb 2018 #44
Gamle-ged Feb 2018 #37
Hades Feb 2018 #30
liberalguy Feb 2018 #38
Gamle-ged Feb 2018 #42
SweetHouse Feb 2018 #45
Gamle-ged Feb 2018 #46

Response to Hades (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:33 AM

1. Kanesville Elementary School 3112 S 3500 W, Ogden, UT 84401

Your premise that this rule stems from 'liberal ideas of tolerance' holds no water. This is a rule borne out of a patriarchal society that puts male rights above female rights.

Your premise that straights have to submit to transgender is asinine also.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:42 AM

2. +1

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Response to rampartb (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:19 AM

4. When was the last time the "patriarchy" was accused of imposing rules for "inclusiveness"?

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:34 AM

7. who made this story about "inclusiveness? "

the story is about young females taught to be compliant to males.

on edit, i suppose it was the school districts "community outreach specialist" mansplaining the policy to some uppity broad.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:38 AM

8. From the article:

Lane Findlay, community relations specialist with the Weber School District, confirmed that it is in fact a rule, but added that it’s meant to teach students how to be inclusive.

...

“This is a terrible policy,” one person wrote.

“Inclusiveness is not nearly as important as teaching children that they have no obligation to allow anyone to touch them or invade their personal space if it makes them uncomfortable.”

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Response to rampartb (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:54 AM

9. Now that we have re-established the fact this is about inclusiveness I repeat:

When was the last time the "patriarchy" was accused of imposing rules for "inclusiveness"?

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Response to rampartb (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 10:17 AM

14. The Principal himself stated the whole purpose was inclusiveness.

The whole idea of “everyone gets a trophy so nobody feels bad” is a leftwing idea. This whole thing is about making sure the fatties in the class have someone else to dance with other than being regulated to dancing with other fatties. So Fattie McGee and Stinky McFerson can say they got their hands on the hot girl in class. Or the ugly fat chick can say she got to dance with the class athlete.

Inclusiveness here really means “you don’t get to have personal preferences on what you find attractive. You have to say yes to lard.”

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:18 AM

3. When was the last time the "patriarchy" was accused of imposing rules for "inclusiveness"?

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:33 AM

6. This complaint was engendered by the parent of a daughter, but nowhere in the referenced article...

... does it say that the invitation to the dance, which must be accepted, is limited only to a boy's invitation, it could also apply to a girl inviting a boy to dance. If it goes either way, "patriarchal" doesn't apply, putting "liberal ideas of tolerance" back into play. "Submit to transgender" is not out of the question, although in "Kanesville Elementary School 3112 S 3500 W, Ogden, UT 84401" it's at least very unlikely...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:23 PM

26. Yes, because

 

girls ask boys to dance all the damned time, don't they?

And they're going to assert their right to be danced with forcefully.

Girls are just like that.

for those who need it.

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Response to MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:35 PM

33. Soooo, girls must adhere to the submissive role, asked, but not asking, pushed but not pushing?...

... Now THAT'S patriarchal...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:38 PM

34. Yes, indeed I said that!

 

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Response to MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:43 PM

39. Well all righty then!...

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:30 AM

12. It isnt my premise that straights must submit to trans people.

They concept comes straight from the trans community itself, called the cotton ceiling. The idea straight up says a straight person has to ignore that a trans has the “wrong” part or they are a bigot:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/factcheckme.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/the-cotton-ceiling-really/amp/

Learn some shit before you speak or you shall continue to be humiliated.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:38 AM

13. How can that be?

Under this rule boys cannot refuse the request of girls.

That alone puts your "patriarchal" theory to rest.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 07:22 AM

5. I saw the original video on one of the news channels.

The principal repeatedly stated "student" not girl. Presumably, the rule applied equally to boys. He also commented that the students were filling out "dance cards" before hand and would be somehow matched up to dance.

Dance cards aren't a bad idea if they were like the original ones, but these aren't. All in all, this is exactly what a loony left ideas do when left alone.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 08:05 AM

10. Breaking news.

The Weber School District superintendent announces they are changing the school district name to the Harvey Weinstein School District.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 09:25 AM

11. In the name of Free Will...

Fuck off. No means fucking NO.











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Response to Hades (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:17 AM

15. My daughter

would not be attending any dance that forced her to dance with others. Raising her to make her own choices.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:35 AM

16. Social inclusion is important.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/spreading-the-message-that-nobody-should-have-to-dine-alone/

There are perhaps better methods to make this happen than a dance, but I support what they're trying to do.

I guess the right to be a mean girl trumps all.

If nothing else, if we refuse to do anything about guns, then we should at least do something about the psychological problems that lead to school shootings.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 11:43 AM

17. If being mean means saying no to unwanted touching...

...then so be it. You know what else is healthy and normal? Learning to deal with rejection.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:16 PM

18. Teaching girls that they can't say no to boys

is just fucking stupid, no matter how anyone tries to spin it. The current state of Hollywood is a perfect example of that stupidity in practice.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 12:50 PM

19. I taught my sons to never shake the hand of those beneath them.

 

Because cooties.

I'm surprised at the libertine attitudes of this Utah grade school. When I was in grade school, dances rarely became wholesale nonconsensual orgies.

Or maybe it's just hyperbole, and the dances include less physical contact than the average handshake.

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Response to Qukid (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:24 PM

23. We now have the new defense...

...”I realized they were repeatedly saying no, but that wasn’t the inclusive answer; and therefore unacceptable.”

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:56 PM

20. And right on cue.

 

Poor menz.

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Response to MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:22 PM

22. You teach hate, I teach tolerance.

 

You'll win, because you've wrapped the hate in a veneer of justice.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:40 PM

36. Eating next to in a caffeteria? Sounds OK. Being felt up in an unwanted dance? Harvey W. time...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:44 PM

40. Like I said, maybe a dance isn't the best venue.

 

But if the dances are an opportunity to show how ostracized the weird kids are, better to not have dances at all.

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:59 PM

21. By this logic..

if a boy asks another boy to slow dance, the 2nd boy MUST say yes???

Insanity.

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Response to JanetS (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:00 PM

24. Where's the consent here?

 

It's important to not tolerate physical-contact-cooties! Someone think of the kids!

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:17 PM

25. What a reach

Because high fiving someone after a game is the same thing as saying you do not want to dance with someone.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:35 PM

27. Is it?

 

The whole conversation is predicated on the idea that boys are bad and can't be trusted. Only in most extraordinary circumstances should you consent to interact with them in any way.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:41 PM

28. No it is not on the idea they boys are bad.

It is on the idea that someone may not find a person sexually appealing and not want to dance with them, but having the school say they can’t say no. That is the problem. What’s next? Does the hot girl in class have to accept the fat boy’s demand she let him kiss her or she is a body shaming bigot who is intolerant and not being inclusive?

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Response to Hades (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:28 PM

32. Is sex appeal a primary feature of grade school dances?

 

More harm comes from allowing them access to the internet.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:39 PM

35. I would say yes, but not using those terms.

I agree that it is highly doubtful that age group even uses the term “sex appeal”. Their terms for it would be “I like this or that person”. It is the same thing but in kid terms. They want to dance with he boy or girl they “like”. Who they would be ok with holding their hand and having an arm around them for a dance. The ruling says they should allow someone they don’t like to put their arms and hands on them. Kinda goes against what we usually teach kids and what we are so angry about with all these powerful guys getting outted.

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Response to Hades (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:57 PM

43. You aren't quite on the right track.

 

Children using "sexually appealing" as their criteria for dancing is a bit far out there.

There are lots of reasons why a girl might not want to dance with a boy. She knows him to be a bully, she has danced with him before and found him aggressive, she has heard that he is aggressive, she just finds his attitude off-putting.

There are reasons that are not particularly admirable, one of the foremost of which is that dancing with someone of lower status would lower one's own status in the eyes of one's peers. That applies to both boys and girls, but the fact is that girls, at present, are not really in the habit of approaching boys, particularly higher-status boys, to ask them to dance.

Random lunch seating and random team selection might be considerably more likely to work.

The inclusivity rule would help to break down the stupid status cliques in the school, maybe -- but not likely by making higher-status boys include lower-status girls, if the boys continued to be the ones doing the selecting. Those rankings do often get based on race and ethnicity, and also just on judgmental criteria of coolness that exclude people who don't conform. Those kinds of exclusion are genuinely destructive, to the people excluded and to the atmosphere of the school. And they don't do the excluders themselves any good, as they learn only to manipulate and hurt.

But the rule would come at the expense of girls being expressly taught not to trust their own judgment and instincts and, yes, preferences, and to allow someone else to make their choices for them.

One more example of girls & women to the back of the bus, if not under it.

So much intersectionality, so little room for girls and women.

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Response to MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:11 PM

47. Seating arrangements and forced study groups are perfectly fine...

...and fairly normal. No problems there, since nobody is being forced to allow someone in their personal space. After all, in the real world, you can’t always pick who you get to sit by; such as an airplane. Random lunch and team activities at school would be the same thing. Perfectly fine times to teach inclusion.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:56 PM

29. I agree with your sentiment but you are wrong about this being based on boys

This rule works both ways. Boys are not allowed to decline a girl's request either.

This whole concept is potentially dangerous in what it teaches. Individuals, boy or girl, have the right to say no. No one has the right to expect that their requests be fulfilled.

I also think it is important for all children to learn how to handle rejection. We don't all get to dance with the prom king or queen.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:26 PM

31. I'm sympathetic to the argument that a dance is an imperfect venue to teach inclusion.

 

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:09 PM

44. Good.

 

Because I'm pretty sure that there are a gazillion ways to teach and practice inclusivity without taking away girls' control of their lives.

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:41 PM

37. Cooties?! They're all boys!...

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Response to Hades (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:12 PM

30. Here is a lovely reply on this from the other side of the pond:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210221806#post18

That poster is basically saying “if the person asking is in a protected class, then saying no is bigotry. Students are obligated to say yes, and allow themselves to be touched, if the asker is someone we deem protected.”

Hear that? Black boy or a Muslim boy asks a girl for something, she goddamn well better say yes or she’s a bigot!

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Response to Hades (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:41 PM

38. Here's personal experience talking

 

My son has autism. One of the most important things that he missed in grade school was social inclusion, that lack was significantly detrimental to his ability to learn to interact well and demonstrate good social skill. ("we can't force the students to be friends with him")

To mitigate this weakness, when he was in junior high, the school counselor and the drama coordinator suggested to us that he consider the drama club. Prior to this point, he was the ultimate outsider: accustomed to being a pariah.

Shortly after arriving one of the kids came down off the stage, grabbed him by the hand, and led him onstage to take part in their "team huddle" (for lack of a better word).

He did drama for six years, is now in college and participates in the community concert band.

These drama kids were the ones who got over the subtle and unsubtle "stranger danger" messages that they got from parents and school staff every day for the previous 13 years.

So yeah, the kids in grade school already knew how to say no. "No, you can't be one of us."

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 04:54 PM

42. The latter would have been my choice, me being within the Autism spectrum. Asperger's wasn't...

... "in the book" until the early '90s, by which time I'd completed my first career and become engaged in my second and final career before my retirement...

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Response to Gamle-ged (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 05:45 PM

45. I saw on some show or other that they removed it again as a sickness.

 

Aspies are normies afterall.

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Response to SweetHouse (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 06:09 PM

46. Asperger's was "rediscovered" in the late 1980's, added to the DSM early '90s as a separate...

... disorder, then folded into the "ASD."

"Asperger syndrome is one of several previously separate subtypes of autism that were folded into the single diagnosis autism spectrum disorder (ASD) with the publication of the DSM-5 diagnostic manual in 2013. Asperger syndrome was generally considered to be on the 'high functioning' end of the spectrum."

https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism/asperger-syndrome

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