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Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:10 PM

How Putins Folly Could Lead to a Middle East War

Russia’s intervention in Syria has brought the region to the brink of disaster.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/09/syria-putin-russia-war-middle-east-217838

"Putin, who unexpectedly thrust Russia into the Syria civil war in September 2015, initially claimed he was there on a counterterrorism mission to fight the Islamic State. Fast-forward 2½ years, and Putin is now in the unlikely position of trying to contain the outbreak of what could be the ugliest Middle East war of the 21st century between Iran and Israel.

It was all very predictable, the moment that Putin began to partner with Iran and its lethal proxy, Hezbollah. They shared intelligence, patrolled together and fought together against the Sunni jihadists and other rebels who were warring against the Assad regime.

Iran’s motivations for this unlikely marriage were crystal clear: The regime viewed Syria as a crucial territory to maintain a land bridge from their borders to the Mediterranean. For Iran, Syria was key to regional domination. It was also key to maintaining military supply routes to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Russia, by contrast, had more global ambitions. For one, Putin was putting a finger in the eye of the Obama administration. The message was that Russia could dominate territory once seen as under American influence. Putin also sought to convey to the rest of the Arab world that Russia was a strong and reliable ally for the region, and that Russia was willing to provide advanced weaponry at the right price—and without American-style red tape and oversight."

The article continues on, describing how Putin tried to play in the middle of both Israel and Iran. How Israel, not certain of Trumps commitment to keeping Iran in check, would let Russia know about imminent strikes. And how after Iran flew a drone into Israeli airspace Israels stopped those notifications for the last two airstrikes, much to Mr. Putins dismay. We've already seen that Putin has pulled his naval units out of Tartus. https://www.discussionist.com/10151680775#post4

I'm wondering which other assets of Mr. Putin are leaving the area at speed? There's a lot more in the article, it's a good read if you're not addicted to Russia Today.

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Reply How Putins Folly Could Lead to a Middle East War (Original post)
cologeek Apr 2018 OP
RCW2014 Apr 2018 #1
cologeek Apr 2018 #2
RCW2014 Apr 2018 #3
Charlie Mike Apr 2018 #4
RCW2014 Apr 2018 #5
Charlie Mike Apr 2018 #6
RCW2014 Apr 2018 #7
Charlie Mike Apr 2018 #8
Scorpionfinder Apr 2018 #10
Charlie Mike Apr 2018 #11
_eek Apr 2018 #12
Badsamm Apr 2018 #14
Charlie Mike Apr 2018 #15
_eek Apr 2018 #13
Scorpionfinder Apr 2018 #16
_eek Apr 2018 #17
rampartb Apr 2018 #9

Response to cologeek (Original post)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:34 PM

1. First laughable sentence of the article you conveniently left out:

"Donald Trump needs to stop prevaricating over Syria and take advantage of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Syria failures."

"Failures"??

Isis/rebels are all but defeated in Syria hence the reason for the staged false flag chemical attack in the hope that the U.S. Supported Isis "rebels" can regroup and take another bite at the apple.

Tel Aviv on the red phone...



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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 09:48 PM

2. Here's a few more that I had to leave out due to whole copyright issue.

"Putin is now sitting on a tinderbox. The ISIS threat may be contained. But a showdown is looming between Israel and Iran on Russia-controlled terrain. With Iran’s long record of sponsoring terrorist groups that target Israel, coupled with regular calls for destruction of the state of Israel, this has been a long time coming. Iran’s Syrian and Lebanese proxies, who are armed to the teeth with up to 250,000 rockets, are preparing to battle the most advanced military in the Middle East. It promises to be the worst war the region has seen in decades.

Putin could certainly try to step in and referee this conflict. But that’s not what he signed up for. Between this and the chemical weapons attacks, the Russian leader may finally be coming to understand that Iran’s actions in Syria are not aligned with Russian interests.

This is long-sought leverage for Trump, in a conflict that has afforded little. More important, it’s a window of opportunity to finally craft a Syria policy that works to marginalize both Russia and Iran — the main drivers of a mass slaughter that stretches into its seventh year."

In other words, Russia's presence in Syria didn't do anything for peace in the ME. It just insured that the body count would be higher while Assad worked under Putin's bloody umbrella.

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Response to cologeek (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:07 PM

3. Last thing israel wants in the ME is peace. It is their livelihood. Nothing would be more

entertaining to watch israel go head-to-head with Russia, indeed.

Also, in present day, israel won't/can't wage war unless it is done at 30,000 feet.

They have a very low tolerance for casualties and aren't very good at combat type ground engagemens i.e. the last Lebanon dust up where they got their added kicked.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:33 PM

4. Russia is horribly out of it's depth in Ukraine and Syria.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:37 PM

5. If that makes you sleep better tonight, you just hang with that.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:52 PM

6. Russia still fighting in Ukraine and being bogged down in Syria until the US arrived

proves the point.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:55 PM

7. You're comical, indeed! Sleep tight. eom

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:06 PM

8. Why is Russia still fighting in Ukraine despite greatly out matching their opponent

in men and materiel?

Why was Syria bogged down in a quagmire until Trump unleashed US forces in the region?

And then there are the hundreds of Russians we killed without loss or consequence.

Russia is impotent to stop the impending attack.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 06:20 AM

10. Nothing to do with US and Israeli aggression?

 

The Syrian War and the Strategic Logic of US Imperialism’s Drive to Dominate the Middle East

by Drew Cottle and Paul Antonopoulos November 2017

https://counter-hegemonic-studies.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/DrewPaul-imperiallogic-4-17.pdf

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Response to Scorpionfinder (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:01 AM

11. There is no US / Israeli aggression. We don't want territory or resources

we don't already possess.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:32 AM

12. Yes we do.

We would be stupid to not bring these resources under our umbrella.

We are deeply involved financially as well as militarily in just about every hot spot, as we should be. It's a intricately intertwined web of interests, and we must be the biggest spider. Best done with money and equipment, let the other guy bleed out on the floor.

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Response to Charlie Mike (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:59 AM

14. Are you deliberately ignoring the wealth of information that proves otherwise

Or are you really this stupid?

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:18 AM

15. Tin foil lunatics who want to feel special to justify their pointless existence.

No one wants Syrian land or resources. No one wants Iranian land or resources. Colonialism is a dead and useless ambition.

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Response to Scorpionfinder (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 08:35 AM

13. US Imperialisms

You say this like it's a bad thing..

If you like your lifestyle, thank the MIC, because it is providing that. It's your flag too bubi, you helped pay for it.

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Response to _eek (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:22 AM

16. Well its obvious you only see humanity in terms of nationalism and imperialism

 

being that which makes life better for you and yours. Your type of thinking is quite outdated and primitive in scope, to say the least, and reeks of the sad mindset of someone who is stuck in primordial thinking and lacks a clear enlightened, healthy mindset that works to help all humanity. Your simply a nationalist who operates with a sociopathic mindset who is quite content with all this military theft and lies that harm regular families, and humanity as a whole. You use the lie that MIC contracts prop up the economy to hide the crimes of the global elitists that actually profit from such nefarious doings. It begs the question "how much are they paying you?"

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Response to Scorpionfinder (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:31 AM

17. "how much are they paying you?"

They (you) are paying quite well, not as well as when I was a direct hand of course. But having to be stateside and pay taxes does make a dent.

But I have done pretty good for myself and my family. I get your anger, being on the outside and actually being the one paying for it all.

But the rest of your hilarious screed, that was a first class troll post, I think you hit just about every talking point. High class satire indeed.

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Response to cologeek (Original post)

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:51 AM

9. ridiculous. the russians managed, despite intervention from usa, israel, iran, saudis, turks etc

to somewhat stabilize the area and to remove most of our "moderate terrorists." we should step back and let them finish the job. if they need to build a pipeline or whatever to pay for policing the region, so what?

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