Newsmh17ukrainefalseflagkievmalaysiaairlines

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 07:54 PM

 

Shocking revelations about MH-17 shoot down.

http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/

The above article is one of the most damning so far regarding how MH-17 came down. The fact the US and European media have gone near completely silent on the investigation speaks volumes. Since when has a major air crash investigation literally just disappeared off the radar? And speaking of radar Kiev still has not released the radar data while the Russian government has put out an impressive radar data presentation that shows all commercial air traffic in their respective flight paths with corroborative times thereby proving it to be authentic as to the actual monitored airspace. Is it possible that Kiev, the US and EU are trying to figure out how to make all the data match their contrived narrative and massive media barrage that took place before the plane had barely hit the ground?

Even the first OSCE observer on the scene states he thinks the plane was brought down by heavy cannon fire from a fighter jet. Can we expect the US and EU media to change their narrative soon and blame Russian fighter jets?

&feature=youtu.be OSCE monitors remarks at 6:11 mark.


Link to another large thread on MH-17 shoot down.http://www.discussionist.com/101439512

34 replies, 4993 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 34 replies Author Time Post
Reply Shocking revelations about MH-17 shoot down. (Original post)
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 OP
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #1
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #2
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #3
Ms.Eloriel Aug 2014 #4
pavulon-lives Aug 2014 #9
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #12
pavulon-lives Aug 2014 #16
Ms.Eloriel Aug 2014 #13
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #17
Ms.Eloriel Aug 2014 #22
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #5
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #6
padiae Aug 2014 #7
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #11
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #8
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #10
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #14
ibtruthin Aug 2014 #15
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #18
ibtruthin Aug 2014 #32
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #19
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #20
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #21
Honeywasp Aug 2014 #23
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #26
Honeywasp Aug 2014 #28
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #29
LineLineNew Reply .
Attila Gorilla Aug 2014 #27
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #24
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #25
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #30
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #31
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #33
Clarity of Signal Aug 2014 #34


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:05 PM

2. The Russian presentation of civilian radar data.

 

&feature=youtu.be

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:06 PM

3. The Russian analysis of Kiev's failed audio recording.

 

Last edited Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:41 AM - Edit history (1)




Additional more in-depth analysis of the audio in Russian.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:07 PM

4. Give me the Cliff Notes on the subject --

who carried out a false flag operation and why? Cui bono?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:21 PM

9. The KGB says

the ukranians (kiev, not "new russians") did so they could make russia and their proxy forces look bad. They are bouncing back and forth between saying the SA11 (surface to air missile) was fired by ukranians and it was shot down by a SU-25, which is the soviet (crap) equivalent to the A-10 (ugly slow attack airplane that birds rear end) . An aircraft designed to blow up tanks and provide ground support, not an interceptor like an F15 or MiG 29). They initially said it could be an air to air missile from that aircraft but I haven't heard that recently.

Basically the Kremlin is dumping 12 different versions of the story to hide the actual chain of events. There is an old russian fable about a kidnapped princess, the men holding her wait and then send many different portraits of her back to the prince, slightly different, so the prince can't identify her and forgets what she looks like. This is in play.

This is a standard KGB tactic used through the cold war and now.

Bottom line, russia invaded, seized a naval base it really needs, and then started a civil war to build buffer on its border. They or the people they are acting through fired on and destroyed a civilian airliner by accident and will not admit it. Even though the entire event was captured by military satellites and their communications are compromised by intelligence services.

its nothing new for cold war era folks. same game. Now they are proposing a peace keeping mission to the area, they are arsonist firefighters.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pavulon-lives (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:29 PM

12. Pavulon.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

Excerpt:

The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.

A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an "online persona management service" that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.

The project has been likened by web experts to China's attempts to control and restrict free speech on the internet. Critics are likely to complain that it will allow the US military to create a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with its own objectives.

The discovery that the US military is developing false online personalities – known to users of social media as "sock puppets" – could also encourage other governments, private companies and non-government organisations to do the same.

The Centcom contract stipulates that each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations "without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:44 PM

16. i would feel bad if I couldn't hold my own

against a piece of us government web software. I mean shit look at healthcare.gov, spectacular.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to pavulon-lives (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:32 PM

13. Thanks

I think. LOL.

Too much drama.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ms.Eloriel (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:00 PM

17. Pavulon offers opinion.....not evidence.

 

The evidence is before you to examine with your own mind.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:28 PM

22. Thanks but I'll pass

Just not a subject that interests me all that much right now -- not even enough to spend 8:xx minutes of my life looking at the video. I just wanted to know what the rough countours of the CT are -- and I think he probably provided that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:07 PM

5. The BBC's deleted report.

 

Last edited Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:52 AM - Edit history (1)




Additional copy of BBC eyewitness testimony, as You Tube has been removing some evidence as it comes to light.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:13 PM

6. The so called 'rebel BuK missile site' the US cited was actually out of range

 

as proven by this video presentation. Elementary physics shows that that US cited missile site couldn't have hit the plane with a BuK. It was too far away.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.phpv=814108921947160&set=vb.100000441800874&type=2&theater

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:14 PM

7. There is a lot riding on the results of this investigation

I wouldn't doubt if this gets silenced real soon. All of a sudden, it will stay out of the news cycles.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to padiae (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:27 PM

11. The fact the US and Western media aren't mentioning it at all

 

is a red flag. They are cooking the evidence. A UK/US team of ten specialists arrived at Kiev ATC two days ago. Most likely they are correlating the FDR and ATC data so there aren't any discrepancies that reveal what really happened to MH-17.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:21 PM

8. Associated Press proves the Ukrainians lied when they said they didn't

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:23 PM

10. US media is caught outright lying about rebel theft of victims belongings.

 




The lead Dutch Investigator gives the rebels high praise for helping collect victims and belongings. Proving the US mass media barrage to denigrate the rebels was intentionally misleading.

http://m.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/dutch-expert-ukraine-body-recovery-team-for-mh17-crash-did-a-hell-of-a-job

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:40 PM

14. Ukraine military commanders....still think these psychos couldn't do it as a false flag?

 

Last edited Sat Aug 9, 2014, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Mykola Bondar pushes for ethnic cleansing.

Oleg Lyashk threatens imprisonment and death to 62 year old man.

Oleg Lyashko tortures and promise to throw 2 men from helicopter.

Oleg Lyashko threatens to throw counselor from window and hang him.

Still think they are not capable? They are nazis folks. It's what they do. If you doubt they are nazis take a look at Poroshenkos own Chanel 5 TV network. Note the yellow flag with the Waffen SS Wolfangel symbol?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 08:43 PM

15. Hummm, gee It must be the only answer

However the site was contaminated by the Pro Russian and Russian forces. Professional investigators (not propagandist) were deterred from the site so no real investigation Could take place. The site was sterilized of any investigatory benefit by those that needed to fake a story. The pro Russian and Russian forces.

We all know what happened, the belligerent pro Russian forces shot down a civilian plane because their thoughtless, martial, NAZI (National Socialist).want-a-bees.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ibtruthin (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:04 PM

18. Those Pro-Russian forces are actually the men who live there,

 

the men of east Ukraine. The same ones cited above by the lead Dutch investigator as doing 'a hell of a job'. The western media conveniently left that out of their narrative. The US media never mentions the 4 million ethnic Russian men of east Ukraine as it would hurt the 'Russian invasion' narrative the US is pushing. Here's one of the Pro Russian separatists being abducted and tortured from his own home by the US backed Kiev nazis. Looks like he's off to an early grave....literally. They are reportedly burying victims alive. &feature=youtu.be

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 01:26 PM

32. You basically acquiesced my point

Please give me name of the first non pro-Russian/ Russian investigator to arrive at the scene and when. Also tell me when the crash was secured by non participating belligerents.

Russian fantasies and lies are not facts.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:21 PM

19. Award Winning Iran Contra Investigative journalist Robert Parry

 

thinks that Kiev did it and has inside info that some CIA analysts also believe Kiev did it. http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/03/flight-17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts/

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:25 PM

20. Video of MH-17 debris with fighter jet 'chaff' streaming down.

 

This video proves the Russian radar data was correct and there was a fighter jet in the immediate vicinity. The US and Kiev have denied fighter jets were in use that day...even though they had been constantly in use in the war theatre for the past 60 days straight. We are supposed to believe that they didn't use them on July 17th.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:32 PM

23. If a Ukrainian fighter shot it down then why did the rebels take credit for it?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Honeywasp (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:44 PM

26. The rebels never took credit....that is a US social media lie.

 

The recording has been proven as a fake....which was made the day before the plane crashed. Consider that.....the US used as evidence.... a voice recording and You Tube video that had a creation date the day before the plane went down. That video was supplied to the US by the Kiev authorities who released it 35 minutes after the plane crashed.

Think logically....if the Kiev junta had actually been monitoring the rebel commanders then they would have known all future troop movements and positions and most likely would have won the war by now. The digital audio WAV file analysis in the video above shows that the digital recording was cut and pasted together in a basic host software program and doesn't encompass a normal natural sound spectrum.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Reply #26)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:49 PM

28. I don't know what video you're talking about.

 

I'm talking about this post, which has since been deleted.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Honeywasp (Reply #28)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 10:02 PM

29. That post was provided by the Kiev regime....

 

anyone can cut and paste something and then say it's been deleted. I provide video evidence to back up assertions. That post is on the same par as the two black and white still pics that the US put out....that didn't show a missile launching....as evidence. I'll give you credit though for actually posting something you consider evidence.....unlike Pavulon who only offers US talking points and baseless opinion.


Now ask yourself this...why has the US been virtually silent after that initial media barrage? It is now three weeks since the plane went down and the entire US media establishment is virtually silent on the MH-17 investigation. Why? Because they have already accepted the US driven narrative...even with no verifiable evidence....even though the US had ships monitoring by radar in the Black Sea....even though they had 2 satellites overhead. Not a peep from the media on where that radar and satellite data is.....not a peep on why Kiev immediately confiscated the air traffic control tower recordings and radar data. The US media silence and initial propaganda barrage reeks of complicity. They have already accepted the 'official' story with no evidence.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Honeywasp (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:47 PM

27. .

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:37 PM

24. Matt Lee of the Associated Press questions the US's use of social media as evidence.

 

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/07/229550.htm

Excerpt:

QUESTION: Well, okay. But I mean, I think we’re talking at cross-purposes here. I’m asking you --

MS. HARF: It wouldn’t be the first time.

QUESTION: (Laughter.) No, that’s true. What I’m asking – I mean, there are social – all you’re willing to present publicly that backs up your version of the story, which may well be the correct version of the story, but all you have --

MS. HARF: “May well be.”

QUESTION: Well, it may well be. But I don’t know because I haven’t seen your evidence that shows that the missile was launched from rebel-held territory. But you’re saying – so the only thing you’re willing to put out publicly is the social media accounts, I mean the social media stuff.

MS. HARF: That’s part of it.

QUESTION: Right. But there are social media accounts that says – that disputes that or that claims to present a different version. So are you saying --

MS. HARF: What would that version be, Matt?

QUESTION: Well, I don’t – there are many, many theories.

MS. HARF: Any --

QUESTION: But you’re saying that all of those accounts --

MS. HARF: Most of which are completely illogical, I would point out.

QUESTION: Well, but all of the accounts that do not support your version of events are wrong --

MS. HARF: No.

QUESTION: -- and all of the ones that do support it are right? Is that what you’re saying?

MS. HARF: Look, we make assessments based on a variety of intelligence and a variety of information, some of which we can talk about publicly and some of which we can’t.

QUESTION: Well, is the – are you --

MS. HARF: And we also – and look, if you just take a step back, right, we need there to be an investigation so we can get all the facts, period. But on top of that, we have public information, which is, of course, the easiest for us to talk about --

QUESTION: Right.

MS. HARF: -- of the separatists bragging about having the system, bragging about the attack that took place, and then walking back from it when it became known that it was a passenger jet. I would ask people who don’t believe our assessment to say, “Okay, what other possible explanation could be – could there be for that?” They defy logic, right?

QUESTION: Well, I don’t know if it defies logic or not, but --

MS. HARF: So when you start from a place of you have separatists out on – again, this is the easiest piece of information for us to talk about – online bragging about it, start there and then work from there and work from all of the evidence we have that we are confident we know where it was fired from, we’re confident we know what it was, and it points in a certain direction. Again, we would encourage Russia to support an investigation if they don’t believe the facts.

QUESTION: Right. It points in a certain direction, but I’m not sure it would stand up to an international --

MS. HARF: I strongly disagree. I absolutely believe that it would.

QUESTION: -- investigation. Well, are you willing, if not at this moment in time now but soon, to put forward the intel that you say backs the claims that were made on social media? And in particular, it seems to me that the Secretary was very definitive, as you were just now, at saying that you know for sure 100 percent --

MS. HARF: I didn’t say 100 percent. Nothing is 100 percent in any world, Matt. But go ahead. It is our assessment, very strong assessment.

QUESTION: Okay, very strong assessment that the rocket – that the missile was fired from the rebel-held territory.

MS. HARF: Mm-hmm.

QUESTION: And I mean, you can’t – there is no social media that I’m aware of that would lead to --

MS. HARF: Well, at the time that MH17 flight dropped out of contact, we detected a surface-to-air --

QUESTION: Yes.

MS. HARF: -- missile launch from a separatist-controlled area in southeastern Ukraine.

QUESTION: Yeah.

MS. HARF: Which we believe was an SA-11. What you want is the intelligence that underlies that?

QUESTION: Yeah. Well, I mean, they – the Russians have challenged – I’m not – I’m just saying the Russians have said --

MS. HARF: I’m just trying to clarify the question.

QUESTION: -- have said we’ve shown – we’ve put out our radar images which show this Ukrainian plane near at least – well, they have. I mean --

MS. HARF: Right.

QUESTION: Why don’t you put out your --

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:41 PM

25. Award winning director Oliver Stone thinks Kiev and the US shot down the plane.

 

https://www.facebook.com/TheOliverStone?rf=108729429151075

Excerpt:

BE SCARED. BE VERY SCARED.

I hate fearmongering in all forms, but I AM scared. It’s impossible to stay silent with this slow-motion disaster befalling the world. So forgive me a quick pop back from writing chores-- as ‘Mad Dog’ Netanyahu continues to destroy U.S. credibility throughout most of the civilized world with his barbaric bloodletting in Gaza. But the truth is, it will not divert the U.S. from a more horrible destiny awaiting us in Eastern Europe.

To understand this new Insane Moment (vide the late ’50s/early ’60s scenario of “Dr. Strangelove”), let’s go to the crucial journalists of this moment, Pepe Escobar and Bob Parry. I’d also recommend historian Stephen Cohen, who discusses the true terrorist policies of the Kiev Government, this is really scary-- but he is subscription only at the Nation Magazine (Aug. 4/11).

Additional great links at his Facebook page.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 10:08 PM

30. If your still thinking the Kiev nazi junta couldn't do that to the people on MH-17.....

 

look at what they did to their own citizens. How do you rationalize them killing all these women in cold blood in the street?



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 08:14 AM

31. Malaysian Press says Ukrainian government shot down MH-17.

 

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/09/mala-a09.html

Excerpt:

Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down MH 17
By Alex Lantier
9 August 2014
A Thursday article in the New Straits Times, Malaysia’s flagship English-language newspaper, charged the US- and European-backed Ukrainian regime in Kiev with shooting down Malaysian Airlines flight MH 17 in east Ukraine last month. Given the tightly controlled character of the Malaysian media, it appears that the accusation that Kiev shot down MH17 has the imprimatur of the Malaysian state.
The US and European media have buried this remarkable report, which refutes the wave of allegations planted by the CIA in international media claiming that Russian president Vladimir Putin was responsible for the destruction of MH17, without presenting any evidence to back up this charge.
The New Straits Times article, titled “US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft,” lays out evidence that Ukrainian fighter aircraft attacked the jetliner with first a missile, then with bursts of 30-millimeter machine gun fire from both sides of MH17. The Russian army has already presented detailed radar and satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly before the jetliner crashed. The Kiev regime denied that its fighters were airborne in the area, however.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 06:04 PM

33. Over 10,000 people have now died in the Ukraine conflict.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Clarity of Signal (Original post)

Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:40 PM

34. New info coming to light....

 

This info and link is to CyberBerkut who have now shed some light on the downing of MH-17. Cyberberkut is reporting they hacked Kolomoiskys assistants Facebook account and have produced evidence it was he along with Ukrainian Minister of Defense Anatoliy Gritsenko who orchestrated the shoot down of MH-17. They have the screenshots to prove it. Full transcript at the link: http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/2793-kolomoyskiy-assistants-facebook-account-hacked-the-boeing-downed-by-junta.html

Screenshots of the hacked account verifying the messaging are at the bottom of the link.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Newsmh17ukrainefalseflagkievmalaysiaairlines