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Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:48 PM

NATO Blinks, pledges to boost defense spending after stern words from Trump

NATO leaders pledged their “unwavering commitment” to boost defense spending on Wednesday, following stern words from President Trump criticizing European leaders for spending too little.

The U.S. and European allies signed a declaration stating they are “committed to improving the balance of sharing the costs and responsibilities of alliance membership.”

The declaration comes after confrontational and testy discussions between Trump and other NATO leaders.

Since the election, Trump has criticized NATO countries for not paying their fair share, while suggesting he would only come to the defense of NATO nations that fulfilled their financial obligation





http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/11/trump-tangles-with-nato-leaders-in-testy-start-to-brussels-summit.html

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Reply NATO Blinks, pledges to boost defense spending after stern words from Trump (Original post)
Gunslinger201 Jul 2018 OP
Grumpy Pickle Jul 2018 #1
Ruby Jul 2018 #2
Solesurvivor Jul 2018 #8
Ruby Jul 2018 #11
Solesurvivor Jul 2018 #12
Ruby Jul 2018 #14
imwithfred Jul 2018 #3
Gunslinger201 Jul 2018 #5
Red Bull Jul 2018 #10
batcat Jul 2018 #4
def_con5 Jul 2018 #6
oflguy Jul 2018 #18
Deplorable Jul 2018 #7
oflguy Jul 2018 #19
Mouth of Chaos Jul 2018 #9
outside Jul 2018 #13
Troll2 Jul 2018 #15
Hades Jul 2018 #17
_eek Jul 2018 #22
Troll2 Jul 2018 #23
_eek Jul 2018 #24
liberalguy Jul 2018 #16
oflguy Jul 2018 #20
Iron Condor Jul 2018 #25
In The Mood Jul 2018 #21

Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:52 PM

1. Ah, too bad... Now Markle will have less money to give to her flood of Muslim immigrants.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:54 PM

2. Did they change the deadline from 2024?

If not, nothing’s changed.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:03 PM

8. Sorry but that deal is over

Time is ripe for them to pony up the dough. I’m shocked SHOCKED that liberals are upset that Trump wants to stop spending so much money on out imperialistic military outside our borders

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:10 PM

11. What does that have to do with my question?

As I understand it, the US created NATO because a stable Europe is in America’s best interest. If that’s no longer the case, burn it to the ground. I couldn’t care less.

I was merely pointing out that despite the dramatic headline, nothing of importance has changed.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:12 PM

12. I beg to disagree, Trump pointed out how Germany sold itself out to Russia by

building a gas pipeline and is beholden to them.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:26 PM

14. Ill concede that.

Trump has a point there. If Germany really fears Russia why are they pouring money into their coffers? It doesn’t make sense.

But re: the OP and the “pledge” to increase other countries spending... the pledge is meaningless. The deadline to reach the goal is unchanged. That was my point.

I want to add though... the US has long behaved as the worlds police. That’s why we have so much influence over world affairs. One part of me would nothing more than than to pull the hell out of everywhere. Our “defense” spending is out of control relative to everyone else. But another part of me wonders who will fill the void and at what cost. It’s complicated.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:56 PM

3. ".....NATO nations that fulfilled their financial obligation....."

Which would be.....anybody know?

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 05:10 PM

5. 5 of 28

United States, United Kingdom, Greece (yes Greece) Estonia and Poland

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:54 PM

10. Poland and Britain

That is off the top of my head but only 4 or 5 at most and I think most were Eastern European and the ones that were only just off the mark were Eastern European.

Almost all of the western allies are down in the low 1% category like Germany.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 05:05 PM

4. Trump has reinvented diplomacy. ...

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 05:31 PM

6. More crap from our progressive friends

President's for the last 30 years have all complained about Europe free loading. Trump is is trying to solve it in his usual bull in a china shop fashion. Talking sweet never works.

Let's talk about actions not rhetoric. The esteemed Barrack Obama has done more to aid Putin, than Trump ever will.

BHO, stood down Standing Naval Forces Atlantic, a joint allied naval task force that had patrolled the Atlantic as a visible deterrent to russian naval activity for 50 years.

God rid of all the numbered fleets, an idiot move, units cohesion is an important concept. The units aren't just interchangeable parts. They perform a lot better when they train and deploy with the same units.

Shit-canned the Mediterranean fleet, we no longer maintain a permanent presence in the Med.

Refused to deploy the ABM system in Poland that Bush had promised at Putin's request.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:29 PM

18. And Lefty is crying like a baby

because Trump had to spend money to shore up the military after Obama decimated it.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 05:48 PM

7. bankrupt Greece pays twice as much as germany.

Germany is not our friend. I'm glad trump is calling them on their hypocrisy and freeloading. Our 35k troops stationed here are more capable than germans entire army. Pull out half of them and let he Krauts recruit their muslims to fill their ranks.

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Response to Deplorable (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:31 PM

19. Merkel is an idiot

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:36 PM

9. Yep.



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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:14 PM

13. Germany is building

a huge natural gas pipeline into Russia. If Russia is this huge enemy to Germany and Western Europe why are they doing this? If Russia is not happy with NATO they just cut off the gas. Russia will have Germany by the balls.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:37 PM

15. What should NATO be spending on?

Radars and anti-missile systems better than S-400 and effective against stealth?

Autonomous tank-killing robots with creeping, leaping and flying attack modes?

Autonomous anti-personnel robots?

Genetically targeted highly contagious lethal retroviruses?

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:25 PM

17. All of those sound pretty good.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:24 AM

22. How about we start small.

Maybe Germany can get it's aircraft actually flying, and it's submarines out of the pens.

Then we can talk about that other pie in the sky stuff.

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Response to _eek (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:34 AM

23. New spending should be towards obsoleting submarines, manned aircraft, armored vehicles

Just as submarines, aircraft, aircraft carriers, and tanks obsoleted the armaments of the 1890s, nations should be looking ahead at the armaments to fight the next global war.

German scientists and engineers are well positioned to invent the next generation that obsoletes the current inventory.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:38 AM

24. Again, solidify the basics, while working on the future.

German scientist and engineers should know better than anyone about sinking resources into wunderwaffe.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:43 PM

16. That plus North Korean "pledge" to denuclearized plus $5...buys you a cup of coffee

 

Your idea of "winning" doesn't involve keeping score, in any sense, does it?

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Response to liberalguy (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:33 PM

20. You think the game is over with North Korea?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:07 AM

25. He thinks NK can denuclearize faster than the Mueller investigation finishes

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:58 AM

21. Talk is cheap. Show us the money.

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