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Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:07 PM

Troopers: Game Camera Captures Father and Son Shooting Bear and Shrieking Cubs in Den

PALMER — A father and son from the Matanuska Valley are accused of illegally shooting a sow black bear and its two newborn cubs in a den, then trying to cover up their actions without realizing a game camera was running the whole time.

Andrew Renner, 41, and Owen Renner, 18, were charged this week with felony and misdemeanor charges stemming from the mid-April poaching incident on Esther Island in Prince William Sound, according to an Alaska State Troopers dispatch Wednesday.

The charges were filed Monday in Anchorage District Court, records show.

An attorney for Andrew Renner said he hadn't seen the charges and couldn't comment.

The bears were part of a U.S. Forest Service and Alaska Department of Fish and Game study, and the men's activity was captured by a motion-triggered game camera, troopers say. The sow was also collared.

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https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/crime-courts/2018/08/08/troopers-game-camera-captures-wasilla-men-shooting-bear-and-cubs-in-den/

Damn...no pics with them wearing their MAGA hats. I'll see if Sarah might have those...

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Reply Troopers: Game Camera Captures Father and Son Shooting Bear and Shrieking Cubs in Den (Original post)
RCW2014 Aug 9 OP
Summer Aug 9 #1
Red Bull Aug 9 #2
oldenuff35 Aug 9 #3
Red Bull Aug 9 #4
Ruby Aug 9 #5
Red Bull Aug 9 #7
foia Aug 9 #8
Ruby Aug 9 #11
foia Aug 9 #12
Ruby Aug 9 #14
TheShoe Aug 9 #9
Magyar Heidinn Aug 9 #10
Ruby Aug 9 #13
Ruby Aug 10 #15
Magyar Heidinn Aug 10 #16
Ruby Aug 10 #17
Magyar Heidinn Aug 10 #18
Ruby Aug 10 #19
Magyar Heidinn Aug 10 #20
Ruby Aug 10 #21
Oldgeezer Aug 9 #6

Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:39 PM

1. Why make it political?

MAGA hats or not, (even if they were Trump supporters, and you don't know that they are) hunters on both sides condemn that.

Those trail cams are all over...if you are in the woods, near hunting camps, assume you are on camera. I learned that when we rented a cabin through vrbo. It was a hunting/family camp. I was outside, and had to pee so bad. I knew I couldn't make it into cottage. We'd been drinking...hehe. So I grabbed myself like a little kid, and ran for closest cover. Ahhhhh...stood up and wondered what that shiny thing was doing wrapped around a nearby tree. Yeah, when I got my face right up to it, I realized my whole little dance was being taped. Nice.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:40 PM

2. You are a shithead

I am a big game hunter and hunted all over the continental United States and Alaska plus Canada and a Trump supporter. These two pieces of shit deserve prison.

You are I must say a turd at best even shithead is a light comment for people of your ilk.

You try to plaster your political enemies with the actions of criminals who you think may support Republicans or conservatives.

I live in Michigan as you do also and the worst fucking poachers are full on Democrats because they want something for nothing!

Poachers live on assistance, do not work, live in houses that should be condemned and poach because they think they are entitled because they are poor. Their own shitty decisions.

Where I live they busted a major poaching ring 2 years ago. I always had dear on my property then nothing for years!

Now I am seeing deer again in my yard and Apple trees. 2 fucking years later and just a few but seeing them.

I say poaching should be a mandatory death sentence because those low life fuckers are stealing from the entire state and also affecting interstate commerce, you agree??

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Response to Red Bull (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 06:29 PM

3. Alerted on, I voted bad faith alert

I don't do poachers and know of no hunter who abides poaching. That stereotyping is a blatant and intentional lie.

I have turned in many poachers, all most all of whom have been minorities that I'm sure vote straight socialist/democrat if they can figure out how to vote.

Specifically, the Hmong, and illegals from south of the border.

I too am a hunter and have also hunted about every game animal in our nation to include Alaska. Desert bighorn tags continue to be way out of my price range.

A lot of the money I have spent for all of those tags and licenses has gone to maintain wildlife habitat and to maintain healthy game populations.

There is even an extra excise tax on hunting equipment, guns and ammo, that goes specifically for the preservation and care of wildlife and habitat.

Those who do not hunt, and who do not donate to help the wildlife are just liberal hypocrites. Plain and simple.

They do not do a damn thing to help but criticize the hunters who do fund the vast majority of improving habitat and maintaining and/or improving wildlife health.

Yep, just plain old liberal hypocrites who sit on their asses doing nothing about wildlife or habitat and criticize the hell out of those who actually pay for most of it.

Typical liberal.


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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:17 PM

4. We are on the same page

The money we spend just in out of state license fees helps to cover massive conservation efforts.

I have no issues with this and will continue to spend thousands of dollars on a hunt, just for a licence in a good state that wants to care for and manage its game populations.

Hang all fucking poachers!!

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:51 PM

5. Alerted as hate speech.

No hide from me. The Trump admin has moved to let states allow exactly this.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:20 PM

7. Hate speech?

Wanting to protect the animals that the left always says is their realm?

They hate it when they find out how much we pay for conservation through our licences and especially our out of state licence fees.

Then we we thump one of them on the head for being disingenuous then it is hate speech!



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Response to Ruby (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:32 PM

8. Which states allow poaching?

Please list them.

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Response to foia (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:21 PM

11. Its weird to me that you guys see this as a poaching issue.

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I see it as an asshole shooting a mama bear and her cubs in their den.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:32 PM

12. It is a poaching issue. That's why.

Poaching is illegally taking fish or game. Attempting to shoot a sow and cubs is illegal and poaching is one of the charges they will face.

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Response to foia (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:56 PM

14. Yeah. I get that.

But what about the other thing?

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Response to Ruby (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 08:36 PM

9. No hide

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Response to Ruby (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:05 PM

10. What states allow this? Please be specific.

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 11:54 PM

13. Define *this*.

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:07 AM

15. Hint: *this* is the killing of baby animals in their dens.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 08:48 AM

16. The men were clearly charged for the crimes they committed.

Now, Alaska does not ALLOW *this* so what states does Trump ALLOW *this* to happen as you say?

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:41 AM

17. I didnt say any state allowed it.

Just that the Trump admin wants to make it so. Killing babies in their dens is pretty sick if you ask me. Ymmv.

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Response to Ruby (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 08:55 PM

18. Have evidence of Trump wanting to do this?

Or, is this the same asn the Russian lie?

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:06 PM

19. Yes.

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The Trump administration is attempting to repeal a rule that bans the shooting of bear cubs, use of dogs and bait to hunt bears, and killing caribou from motorboats in Alaska’s federal wildlife refuges.

The proposal would scrap a 2015 regulation by the National Park Service that restricts controversial hunting and trapping practices on about 20m acres of federal land in Alaska.

Humans just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed 83% of wild mammals – study

Under the rule, hunters cannot target female bears with cubs, nor the cubs themselves. They are also prohibited from killing wolves and coyotes during the summer denning season, shooting caribou while the animals swim, or shooting at caribou from a motorboat.

Using dogs or artificial lights to find bears, or luring bears with bait – doughnuts have previously been used for this purpose – is also ruled out.
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More: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/22/trump-hunting-alaska-rules

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Response to Ruby (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:22 PM

20. Comment phase has closed,

hopefully the proposal will not go through.

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Response to Magyar Heidinn (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 10, 2018, 10:00 PM

21. Hopefully.

One never knows what to expect these days,

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:53 PM

6. Putidude.....really reaching aren't you?

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