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LavenderGirl Nov 8 OP
Tolk Nov 8 #1
foia Nov 8 #2
Jack Burton Nov 8 #3
OneLoudVoice Nov 10 #19
Jack Burton Nov 10 #22
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 10 #24
OneLoudVoice Nov 10 #25
700WinMag Nov 16 #27
OneLoudVoice Nov 16 #33
700WinMag Nov 17 #34
OneLoudVoice Nov 17 #35
700WinMag Nov 18 #37
OneLoudVoice Nov 19 #38
Charlie Mike Nov 19 #39
700WinMag Nov 19 #42
Nostrings Nov 8 #4
JaimeBondoJr Nov 8 #5
Gunslinger201 Nov 8 #6
bruiserboy Nov 8 #7
DDKick Nov 8 #8
LavenderGirl Nov 8 #11
bruiserboy Nov 8 #12
Jenny Fromdahood Nov 8 #16
DP46 Nov 9 #17
700WinMag Nov 16 #28
quad489 Nov 8 #9
oldenuff35 Nov 8 #10
Tovera Nov 8 #13
Muddling Through Nov 8 #14
Jenny Fromdahood Nov 8 #15
oflguy Nov 9 #18
Jardinier Nov 10 #20
LexTalionis Nov 10 #21
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 10 #23
LavenderGirl Nov 16 #26
700WinMag Nov 16 #29
Banshee 3 Actual Nov 16 #31
Charlie Mike Nov 18 #36
Badsamm Nov 16 #30
USNRET1988 Nov 16 #32
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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:36 AM

1. Stupid argument

You need a better source of ridiculous talking points.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:36 AM

2. So how many illegal aliens should we let in for each person murdered?

(Hint: The two issues have nothing to do with each other.)

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:45 AM

3. How many people were saved in the last two weeks by defensive gun uses?

Answer: almost 96,000

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 01:28 AM

19. If your going to make up numbers

why not just go straight to a million?

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Response to OneLoudVoice (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:08 PM

22. Real numbers. The liberal partisan activist media doesn't want you to know.

About 2,500,000 defensive gun uses every year in the U.S.
2,500,000 / 365 = 6,849 defensive gun uses every day
14 days * 6,849 = 95,890 defensive gun uses over a two week period
rounded is about 96,000

There are your "made up" numbers. You can either have an open mind and learn a new fact that goes against your political agenda, or continue to recite one sided partisan points.



https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#15
* According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program, between 2007 and 2011, over 600,000 people reported facing an assailant armed with a gun.
* According to the FBI, 3% of firearm assaults known to police result in a death.

* According to a Pew Survey, “the vast majority of gun owners say that having a gun makes them feel safer. And far more today than in 1999 cite protection – rather than hunting and other activities – as the main reason for why they own guns” (Pew Research Center, 2013)

* Four studies have been done showing that crime victims who actively used a gun to defend themselves had lower rates of injury than crime victims who did not use guns to defend themselves - Kleck 1988; Kleck and DeLone 1993; Tark and Kleck 2004; and Southwick 2000.

* Defensive gun use is a fact but it is difficult to count accurately.

* The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) has estimated that there are between 60,000 and 105,000 DGUs per year. Between the years 1992 and 1994, the NCVS reported there were in total 116,000 DGUs.

* Kleck and Gertz (1995) estimated the annual occurrence of DGUs to be around 2.5 million per year.

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:55 PM

24. Gee he had nothing to refute you with

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Response to Jack Burton (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:49 PM

25. Lmao

Its adorable that someone thinks "gun owners feel better" when they have a gun is somehow supposed to be evidence of anything. Heroin addicts also feel better when they have heroin. That is entirely irrelevant to whether heroin is good for them or anyone around them.

I also appreciate that basically all of your studies come from a single source. Apparently there's only one guy doing worthwhile research in this arena? Do you also agree with his conclusion that we should do away with the death penalty, because it doesn't work?

Its made up numbers, and simple math makes that abundantly clear. Thats 1 in a hundred of us, every year, using a gun to defend ourselves We would each know many people who had used a gun defensively. And yet we dont, unless you count the dudes who use their bedside pistol to clear their house of phantom menaces at bed bed as a DGU. Then you only need about 7000 people doing it nightly to hit your numbers. Otherwise.. Obvious fantasy.

Lastly.. Id love to have access to this liberal media you speak of, if you could point me that direction please. Ive been stuck relying in large part on RW corporate drivel far too long. And is there even a way to shut off this stupid waste of paper called the American Rifleman? Sometimes family give you things you really have no use for.

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Response to OneLoudVoice (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 11:48 AM

27. The fact...

That you don't think you have access to "liberal media" speaks volumes.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 06:41 PM

33. The fact you think you do

Speaks volumes.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #34)

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 07:25 PM

35. LMAO

Wikipedia is your source?

How about this.. Look up who the owners donate money to...

Its absolutely no surprise that people who have to go out and research the reality of the world around them end up donating to Democrats. Thats an effect, not a cause. But your argument is kinda silly. Its almost exactly the same as saying that Waffle House is a Liberal corporation, because most of its employees tend to vote Democratic. Even though it donates money pretty exclusively to Republicans. As has been pointed out many times in many contexts, ownership has its privileges. Examine who owns/runs the corporate networks trump loves to hate

That said, I think a far more useful standard is "you shall know them by their fruit". Check which ideologies are given greater on air representation on the corporate owned networks. It aint liberals on virtually any of the big outlets. Rather than trying to read tea leaves and make assumptions, check the evidence of what they produce.

But.. you delivered on my request, sorta. There were a couple websites in there that I am not familiar with. I will have to check them out. Its nice to find an actual liberal news source, even if it is just online. It would be nice if liberal viewpoints got fair representation on TV or Radio.

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Response to OneLoudVoice (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:01 PM

37. You discredit...

One source?

One source that had a fact outlined in it?

There is plenty of liberal media. The FACT that you are unwilling to acknowledge this only goes to prove your ignorance.

Good day.

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Response to 700WinMag (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 02:02 AM

38. I discredit the whole concept

that you are basing your assessment on. You want media to be liberal so you can ignore anything it brings along, so you find a way to call it liberal. That is the full extent of the argument you have made.

Once again, I say you will know them by their fruit. And by that measure, outside of the online realm finding liberal media is a challenging task.

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Response to OneLoudVoice (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 06:08 AM

39. Lefty: The media ain't liberal!

Also Lefty: Trump keeps attacking the media because they're all against him!

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Response to OneLoudVoice (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 11:37 AM

42. What the hell are you talking about?

You want to show me where I said this?

"You want media to be liberal"

For shits sake stick with FACTS will you. You implied there was NO LIBERAL media.

"That is the full extent of the argument you have made"

Bullshit. There is liberal media and there is conservative media. They are not equally split. To say otherwise is a flat out lie.

"outside of the online realm finding liberal media is a challenging task."

Bullshit.

Every link I posted proves that to be a fallacy.

I proved you wrong.

Period.

You are lying and I am done with you.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:04 AM

4. Illegal aliens do not belong here no matter how many shootings by citizens.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:05 AM

5. If ONE American was killed in the last two weeks by an illegal, that's ONE too many.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:08 AM

6. Is that you Don Lemon

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:29 AM

7. Why don't people like yourself stand before a group of angel moms and spew you're rhetoric

http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/murder/real-life-machete-ms-13-gangbangers-hacked-two-long-island-teens-to-death/
And why you are at it LavenderGirl and please stand before these parents and explain the Democrats position.

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Response to bruiserboy (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:34 AM

8. You cant explain the Democrats position.

Other than they don’t think our immigration laws should be enforced.

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Response to bruiserboy (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:54 PM

11. Why don't you stand in front of the families of the 20 murder victims

of last night's mass shooting and the one 12 days ago at the synagogue and tell them that refugees are the real problem. Explain that to them.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:38 PM

12. Typical response from a leftist, can't anser the original question

Can you LavenderGirl.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:34 PM

16. Why don't you stand in front of the little girl's family in Chicago?

The one who got killed in a drive by and tell them that it's OK because black on black crime doesn't matter. Only white people killing people matters...so the pain they feel from their daughter being murdered isn't real. Because the murderer wasn't white. Then go to the north side and let them all know that they done need to shoot someone every three hours because people like you don't care anyway.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:27 AM

17. Year to date ... Chicago

Year to Date s of 11/8/2018
Shot & Killed: 430
Shot & Wounded: 2184
Total Shot: 2614
Total Homicides: 506

One weekend alone had 72 shot and 13 dead.

Where's your deep seated concern for these families you hypocrite? Or do you just get upset about white people dying?

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Response to LavenderGirl (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 11:50 AM

28. Nobody said...

"tell them that refugees are the real problem."

They are A PROBLEM. Not the only problem.

Why do you lie so much???

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:30 PM

9. ''How many killed by white''...and white guilt lefty plays the race card once again. SSDD.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:01 PM

10. Stupid and wrong question

How many crimes have already been committed by members of the caravan?

How many criminals can be kept out of our nation and how many future crimes can be prevented by stopping this hoard of people from entering our country?

How many tax dollars can we save by not adding these financial leaches to our charity programs?

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 05:48 PM

13. Do you REALLY want to bring race into a murder perpetrator discussion?

Or do only _mass_ murders count?

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 06:52 PM

14. Hmm.........People not allowed in this country illegally don't kill people in this country.

This is my shocked face...............

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:31 PM

15. Way more than that killed by blacks. Why not mention that as well?

You could have had a lot higher numbers if you included all of the people shot by blacks in the USA. One every three hours in Chicago alone, right? Man...you must have forgotten about that, huh? Go ahead and edit your post now that I reminded you.

Why don't you use all the stats to help you? Blacks aren't immigrants, are they? Do you hate blacks or something? They're people too you know.

You should go ahead and point out how many people were killed out by blacks so you don't look like some sort of hypocritical hack. Whoops...too late.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 05:45 PM

18. Do you have a point? If so, please let us in on the secret

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:50 AM

20. What do you want to see happen?

Do you want allow most of the people in Central and south America to move into the U.S.?

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 10:59 AM

21. After reading the replies to your ill thought out post

I'll not pile on. Your concern for white people, is duly noted though.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:50 PM

23. How many by Blacks in Chicongo?

30 Killed
154 Wounded

Funny you don't want to talk about those

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 11:37 AM

26. Bump

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Response to LavenderGirl (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 11:51 AM

29. Funny how...

You "bump" your thread but refuse to answer real questions.

Typical leftist hypocrisy.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:18 PM

31. Indeed all you got is your racism you didnt mention murders by Blacks during the same time

https://www.discussionist.com/1014442591#post23

You fool no one and no one takes you credibly due to your racist trolling

a True question would have been how man Americans shot by Americans but you were odiously compelled to bring race into the issue funny how you were too cowardly to refute my earlier post

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Response to LavenderGirl (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 07:48 AM

36. Keep them all in California so they only rape and murder lefties.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:12 PM

30. How many are you ok with?

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:40 AM

40. Then your mission seems clear.

Get to work getting rid of white males.

Or are you just whine and bluster?



Your clown shoes have a bit of blood from all your dancing purple Polly.

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:44 AM

41. What is your point, Lavendergirl?

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Response to LavenderGirl (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 11:49 AM

43. They can't throw their Molotov cocktails that far

Not yet, at least

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