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Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:15 AM

Germany's Snub Of Lockheeds F-35 Unleashes Dramatic Geopolitical Consequences

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The implications and potentially explosive unresolved geopolitical questions Rabobank listed are as follows:

Germany won’t be buying US planes and so not only doesn’t it spend enough on NATO now, but even if it does ever spend, that cash won’t flow to the US to rebalance trade between the two.

Only the F-35 is compatible with the US tactical nuclear deterrent, so Germany won’t be under that NATO shield, unless the US signs off on a Eurofighter alternative – why should it, considering the Eurofighter is seen as out of date?

Indeed, given EU-US tensions over geopolitics, e.g., EU insistence on trying to circumvent the US sanctions on Iran Trump just said are so important, does anyone see this ending well for US-EU trade relations?

And circling back, what if the US does strike a China trade deal, and only US firms get the benefits, not EU? That said, yesterday also saw news that the EU is considering a ban on Huawei for 5G too, so it also seems to be hedging its bets.

Yet overall, with no US F-35 exports ahead I am not sure if Germany realizes what it is doing (it seems blithely unaware of a whole host of problems it is creating for everyone, after all); suffice to say that this issue could create as much market fire as the spiciest chili.

Notably, the Typhoon has never been certified by Washington to carry American-made nuclear bombs, and should it be the replacement of choice for the phase out of some 90 jets, it puts US-German relations and indeed NATO strategic posture itself between a rock and a hard place.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-01/germanys-snub-lockheed-f-35-could-put-nato-strategic-nuclear-readiness-crisis

Why would you ever use an aircraft instead of a cruise or ballistic missile to carry a nuclear weapon? Life support and controls for the pilot adds weight and the range is halved due to the requirement to be able to return.

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Reply Germany's Snub Of Lockheeds F-35 Unleashes Dramatic Geopolitical Consequences (Original post)
Troll2 Feb 3 OP
smoke check Feb 3 #1
wonderwarthog Feb 3 #2
oldenuff35 Feb 3 #3
spike61 Feb 3 #4
Troll2 Feb 3 #5
spike61 Feb 6 #9
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 3 #6
Troll2 Feb 3 #7
Banshee 3 Actual Feb 3 #8
Iron Condor Feb 6 #10

Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 01:56 AM

1. Because you can recall the plane.

Once the cruise missile is on it's way, it can't be recalled. Destroying it in mid flight will end up contaminating the somewhere it hits after it is destroyed. You want to have that recall ability for as long as possible.

This article is accurate. This will cause further strains in the alliance. Only the Eastern Europeans and the US are serious about it these days.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:48 AM

2. Do you know the history



Of Lockheed's sale of planes to West Germany, particularly the Starfighter?



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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 04:28 AM

3. It is very likely they will buy the Super Hornets and they are built in the USA.

Canada just orders more, and the US Navy is trying to buy another couple of dozen too.

Add to that the USAF is after a dozen or so new F-15C models. It will not lower the amount of F-35's they are getting but they are a lot of bang for the buck right now and the F-15 has never been downed in combat.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 07:45 AM

4. "zero hedge" is always a "sky is falling" site

ill wait for a more reputable assessment

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Response to spike61 (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 08:06 AM

5. Germany Casts F-35 Aside, Favors Eurofighter, F/A-18

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 04:44 PM

9. Thank you

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:21 AM

6. Unlike a Missile you can recall an Airplane before it breaches russian airspace

USAF/NATO called those flights Chrome Dome, Head Start...

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:42 AM

7. Unlike B-52s, I don't see F-35s as very useful for an airborne alert

They have limited loitering time and would require constant midair refueling.

The operating cost per hour airborne would be very high.

Nukes on fighters are more of a first strike followup weapon intended to clean up targets not obliterated by the initial wave of missiles. They would also be on kamikaze missions since they would no longer have bases to return to.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:47 AM

8. You dont see doesnt mean they aren't useful.

Having Small Fighters which can carry nuclear weapons gives uncertainty to the enemy.

Again its the capability to carry which is a tool in NATO to retaliate if necessary

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 6, 2019, 08:18 PM

10. So you are a military nuclear deterrence expert?

Or are you just acting like you are?

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