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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:08 PM

It's so bad that other countries don't even trust the United States' Federal Aviation Administration

The FAA issued a statement that the 737 MAX 8 continues to be airworthy. Other countries, even our great Five Eyes buddies among the English Speaking Peoples, don't believe it!

Ethiopian Airlines Crash Updates: E.U.’s Biggest Economies Ban Boeing Max 8 Jets; Trump Says Planes Are Too Complex

Big E.U. countries join the ban on 737 Max 8s

As the list of airlines taking their 737 Max 8 aircraft out of service continued to grow, France, Germany, Britain, Ireland, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia and Oman joined China and Indonesia in suspending all use of the plane.

France and Germany, which lie in the heart of Europe, took the step shortly after Britain did so. “Safety has absolute priority,” Andreas Scheuer, Germany’s transport minister, said in an interview on the N-TV news channel.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/world/africa/boeing-ethiopian-airlines-plane-crash.html

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:34 PM

1. Unless shits changed substantially Europe doesnt have a FAA

I remember watching a French Gazelle Helicopter doing Loops over San Mandrier Naval Base in Toulon



I recall being told Europe has no FAA and it’s Balls to the Wall and All over the sky

Has the EU changed that?

Here’s a thought, don’t get onboard Ethiopian Airlines (there’s no inflight meal either )

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:26 PM

7. Sounds like this one is going to be the result of mechanical failures on the aircraft

due to either flaws or external forces.
Details from eyewitnesses are always questionable, but all of them are saying the same things...
Plane was making an atrocious banging racket as it went over, and was trailing smoke and debris including papers, etc.
Speculation of course, but this sounds to me like a damaged engine that came apart from one of the two above mentioned sources... runway FOD, filthy muslim terrorists, unstable or explosive cargo... flock of huge birds, outright mechanical failure due to flaws...
Something came apart and tore up the hull at the same time.

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Response to MumblyPeg (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:08 PM

8. Probably compressor stalls as the pilots applied full power at low altitude

The debris field appears to be compact.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:13 PM

9. that wouldn't cause the described conditions or an engine to come apart

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:39 PM

2. They know everyone of these supposed "regulators" are bought and paid for by lobbyists, both foreign

and domestic just like the rest of the US gov't.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:51 PM

5. Regulatory capture is particularly obvious in this case

Boeing redesigned the plane with new, larger diameter engines placed differently. The plane flew differently, and it became unstable in certain parts of the flight envelope. In particularly, if it was very nose up, the engines developed lift ahead of the CofG that increased pitch. So Boeing "fixed" this by putting in the MCAS software function. Somehow they were able to convince the FAA that it flew enough like other 737s that it was not a new model and did not require specific pilot training, etc.

This allowed Boeing to sell the MAX in small numbers to many different airlines as just another regular 737 added to their fleet.

Otherwise, airlines don't usually buy just a few of a new model. If it requires specific pilot training and requalification on the new model, they either don't buy, or buy a large number.

The following chart is out of date regarding the airlines grounded, but it shows the many airlines with few deliveries as of Jan 31, 2019.

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Response to Troll2 (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:19 PM

6. Sure thing... that must be why they call us 95% of the time when something goes wrong to help

them figure it out.

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