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Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:23 AM

Trump said he wouldnt cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3.

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President Donald Trump’s 2020 budget breaks one of his biggest campaign promises to voters: that he would leave Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare untouched.
“I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid,” Trump told the Daily Signal, a conservative publication affiliated with the Heritage Foundation, in 2015.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-said-he-wouldnt-cut-medicaid-social-security-and-medicare-his-2020-budget-cuts-all-3/ar-BBUGBog?ocid=spartandhp

MAGA, 1 lie at a time.

Lying Donnie can't stop lying.

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Reply Trump said he wouldnt cut Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. His 2020 budget cuts all 3. (Original post)
Salaam Mar 2019 OP
Troll2 Mar 2019 #1
Salaam Mar 2019 #2
Tolk Mar 2019 #10
Salaam Mar 2019 #14
Tolk Mar 2019 #36
rampartb Mar 2019 #41
Oldgeezer Mar 2019 #3
Salaam Mar 2019 #15
Oldgeezer Mar 2019 #19
Salaam Mar 2019 #20
FreeWheelBurning Mar 2019 #23
Salaam Mar 2019 #25
FreeWheelBurning Mar 2019 #26
Salaam Mar 2019 #28
Muddling Through Mar 2019 #38
Oldgeezer Mar 2019 #34
rahtruelies Mar 2019 #4
TheShoe Mar 2019 #7
Tolk Mar 2019 #9
Oldgeezer Mar 2019 #12
Salaam Mar 2019 #18
def_con5 Mar 2019 #5
Salaam Mar 2019 #16
quad489 Mar 2019 #6
Tolk Mar 2019 #8
FreeWheelBurning Mar 2019 #11
Salaam Mar 2019 #17
FreeWheelBurning Mar 2019 #21
Salaam Mar 2019 #22
FreeWheelBurning Mar 2019 #24
Salaam Mar 2019 #27
FreeWheelBurning Mar 2019 #29
Salaam Mar 2019 #30
FreeWheelBurning Mar 2019 #31
Salaam Mar 2019 #32
FreeWheelBurning Mar 2019 #33
Oldgeezer Mar 2019 #35
Muddling Through Mar 2019 #39
D26-15 Mar 2019 #13
Oldgeezer Mar 2019 #37
Steelydamned Mar 2019 #40
Steelydamned Mar 2019 #42
Salaam Mar 2019 #43

Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:26 AM

1. Does he know?

Trump doesn't seem like the kind of executive who would have the patience to actually review the numbers in the budget.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:27 AM

2. Can dumb Donnie even read a budget?

remember he went bankrupt 6 times, so budgets and money are not something he knows much about.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:56 AM

10. Apparently

 

He's better at it than you.
You seem to be seeing cuts where there aren't any.

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Response to Tolk (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:26 PM

14. LOL

reading all the way to the 3rd paragraph

Their intentions are to cut benefits under Medicaid and Social Security. The impact on Medicare is more complicated, which I’ll get into a bit later.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:20 PM

36. editorial is not fact

 

You are being suckered into propaganda, which happens to be targeted at people exactly like you.

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Response to Troll2 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 06:57 PM

41. don't care what his management style

the numbers in the budget belong to him.

the dprry thing is, the congressional dems will five him this one.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:31 AM

3. Salammi....

A reduction in the rate of growth IS NOT a cut..it's Math sparky

For example....a projected $500 Billion budget say in '18(hypothetical)..supposed to be $600Bil in '19 because of baseline budget BS...moved back to $525Bil for '19......IS NOT a $75Billion cut.......it's a $25Billion increase over previous yr spending.
It's a reduction in the rate of growth.....didn't go from $500B-'18 to $425B-'19(a True cut).....just a reduction in the growth....yet STILL grew.

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Response to Oldgeezer (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:27 PM

15. LOL

reading all the way to the 3rd paragraph

Their intentions are to cut benefits under Medicaid and Social Security. The impact on Medicare is more complicated, which I’ll get into a bit later.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:35 PM

19. Please do....."which Ill get into a bit later."...I LOVE teaching you ignants how a reduction..

in the the rate of growth.....Is NOT a cut

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Response to Oldgeezer (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:37 PM

20. lets make it simple.

say inflation is growing at 2% a year on average.

If you freeze spending, that becomes an indirect cut.

You're welcome.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:42 PM

23. No it doesn't

A cut is a cut wether it be indirect or not. Not keeping up with inflation does not equate to a cut. A cut is when the total allocated for the new year is less than the total allocated for the current year. You don't get to make up definitions just because you posted a falsehood and are now scrambling to not look uniformed.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:45 PM

25. LOL

Not keeping up with inflation in a program designed to keep up with inflation is a cut to the program.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:47 PM

26. No it isnt

You can bleet that it is forever and a day. It will not change the fact that not keeping up with inflation is not synonomous with a "cut".

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:49 PM

28. LOL

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Response to Salaam (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:25 PM

38. Derp.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:13 PM

34. Medicare is NOT inflation indexed....you obviously have NO clue what you are talking about do you?

Social Security is....COLA adjustments are indexed in inflation...SS recipients just got a 2% bump in the January payment.

Benefits INCREASED...because stuff you buy might cost more DOES NOT mean the Benefit was cut....

Again...a reduction in the rate of GROWTH is still growth......you got more this time than you did last time....the dictionary definition of an increase.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:34 AM

4. faux news alert

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Response to rahtruelies (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:47 AM

7. Well that is good

Glad trump is not proposing those cuts.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:53 AM

9. I'm glad also

 

Especially since he isn't proposing any cuts.

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:19 PM

12. Reduction in growth is not a "cut".....

Like your EBT card...if you get $150 this yr/month and expect, were told you would get $170 next yr/month... but only get $160/month...that's NOT a "cut"

If it went from $150 to 140.....that's a cut

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Response to TheShoe (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:29 PM

18. lucky for crooked Donnie that his voters believe him.

but, reading all the way to the 3rd paragraph

Their intentions are to cut benefits under Medicaid and Social Security. The impact on Medicare is more complicated, which I’ll get into a bit later.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:38 AM

5. No cuts

as most people use the word, if you are getting a hundred a month in SS, you will still be getting the $100, even if Congress passed his proposed budget.

He's trying to save some costs, if his proposal works, maybe drug costs, etc go down, if not the government will still continue to buy medicine on Medicare.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:27 PM

16. LOL

reading all the way to the 3rd paragraph

Their intentions are to cut benefits under Medicaid and Social Security. The impact on Medicare is more complicated, which I’ll get into a bit later.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:43 AM

6. LOL, nothing quite as entertaining as Trump haters who could never say a negative thing about 0bama

...good thing for you that none of those cuts will get past pelosi, eh?

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:52 AM

8. No he's not

 

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:07 PM

11. I read the proposed budget. Did you?

He did not cut Social Security or Medicare. There is a 1 bn cut in Medicaid in 2020 and even that jumps back up in 2021. Also, the Medicaid line item is not just Medicaid. It also includes "Market-Based Health Care Grant". I admit to not knowing exactly what that is. I am pointing it out because it is possible that Medicaid is not being cut while the "Market-Based Health Care Grant" is being cut.

Social Security
2018 - 982 bn
2019 1,041 bn
2020 - 1,102 bn
2021 - 1,165 bn

Medicare
2018 - 582 bn
2019 645 bn
2020 - 679 bn
2021 - 711 bn

Medicaid
2018 - 389bn
2019 419 bn
2020 - 418 bn
2021 - 491bn

Here is a link for the budget. Its time to start researching this stuff for yourself and stop relying on other people to spoon feed you. The proposed budget is in a table on page 110.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/budget-fy2020.pdf

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:28 PM

17. LOL

reading all the way to the 3rd paragraph

Their intentions are to cut benefits under Medicaid and Social Security. The impact on Medicare is more complicated, which I’ll get into a bit later.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:40 PM

21. I gave you the numbers and provided the link to the proposed budget.

The link I provided you shows the proposed budget out to 2029.

If you wanted to talk about proposed changes to benefits perhaps you should have started the conversation stating that instead of falsly claiming that there are cuts when there are none.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:41 PM

22. LOL

lets make it simple.
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say inflation is growing at 2% a year on average.

If you freeze spending, that becomes an indirect cut.

You're welcome.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:45 PM

24. I already responded to this nonsense when you used it to reply to someone else

You should stop digging and move on to the changes in benefits you referred to. That might actually be a topic worthy of discussion. A semantic argument centered on you trying to redifine the meaning of the word "cut" in an effort to cover for the falsehood you posted in your OP is not.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:47 PM

27. LOL

"changes in benefits" sounds better, and it might fool a lot of people.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:51 PM

29. "cuts in benefits" or "changes in benefits". Either way, start the discussioin

Your premise that there are budget cuts is a falsehood so you might as well shift the discussion to something worthwhile instead flailing about while attempting to redefine the word cut.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:53 PM

30. go ahead.

post something.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:01 PM

31. This is what you quoted from the article

"Their intentions are to cut benefits under Medicaid and Social Security. The impact on Medicare is more complicated, which I’ll get into a bit later."

Did you just blindly accept that statement or do you know what the writer is talking about? I'll admit that I have not come across any details regarding changes to benefits in any of these programs. The author in your cited article fails to detail what the current benefits are so there is no way to make a contrast between the current programs and the proposed changes to those programs. I thought since you quoted the article that maybe you knew. Was I wrong to think that?

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:04 PM

32. My position is that holding spending to a fixed level is a cut.

Imagine if military spending was held to the 2018 level. Righty would be screaming about the cuts.

All about the wording.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:09 PM

33. You can hold that position all you want, that does not make it so

This has been pointed out to you numerous times. A cut has a specific meaning. You can assign any meaning to the word that you want but nobody else is obligated to agree to your make believe definition.

Also, the proposed budget is not holding spending at current levels. I gave you the link. The budget for these programs is increased every year except for the one year I mentioned.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:18 PM

35. A reduction in the increase say from 2% to only 1.5% is STILL an increase....not a Cut

You aren't good at word definitions are you....let alone budget issues

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Response to Salaam (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:29 PM

39. Repeating a lie 50 times doesn't make it less of a lie.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:35 PM

13. Perhaps if you had been paying attention yesterday, you wouldn't look so foolish today...

what am I thinking, of course you would.

https://www.discussionist.com/10151960196

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:21 PM

37. He didn't....you can't show a cut. This has been a fun post.

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:59 PM

40. Hey Shoelaami...

....I haven't had a raise in my salary in 2 years. So, did I take a 'cut?'

I'll understand if you just respond as you did upthread..what with the spanking you received and all

v

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Response to Salaam (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:02 AM

42. Rep. Dan Crenshaw....

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You can FF the video to 1:13 to hear how wrong you are.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 12:50 PM

43. LOL

what about the military budget?

what about the tax cuts for billionaires?

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