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Wed Apr 3, 2019, 08:27 PM

Texas Bans Clergy From Executions After Supreme Court Ruling


By JAKE BLEIBERG
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DALLAS (AP) — Texas prisons will no longer allow clergy in the death chamber after the U.S. Supreme Court blocked the scheduled execution of a man who argued his religious freedom would be violated if his Buddhist spiritual adviser couldn’t accompany him.

Effective immediately, the Texas Department of Criminal Justice will only permit prison security staff into the death chamber, a spokesman said Wednesday. The policy change comes in response to the high court’s ruling staying the execution of Patrick Murphy , a member of the “Texas 7” gang of escaped prisoners.


Texas previously allowed state-employed clergy to accompany inmates into the execution chamber, but its prison staff included only Christian and Muslim clerics.

In light of this policy, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Texas couldn’t move forward with Murphy’s punishment unless his Buddhist adviser or another Buddhist reverend of the state’s choosing accompanying him.

“The government may not discriminate against religion generally or against particular religious denominations,” the court’s newest justice, Brett Kavanaugh, wrote in a concurring opinion.

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Reply Texas Bans Clergy From Executions After Supreme Court Ruling (Original post)
RCW2014 Apr 3 OP
VOTE Apr 3 #1
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 4 #3
Nephrite Apr 3 #2
nolidad Apr 4 #5
SatansSon666 Apr 4 #6
TexMexNext Apr 4 #8
MoshMasterD Apr 4 #9
SatansSon666 Apr 5 #10
MoshMasterD Apr 5 #12
oldenuff35 Apr 4 #7
nolidad Apr 5 #11
oldenuff35 Apr 6 #14
nolidad Apr 6 #15
oldenuff35 Apr 6 #17
nolidad Apr 6 #22
oldenuff35 Apr 7 #28
nolidad Apr 8 #30
nolidad Apr 8 #31
oldenuff35 Apr 8 #32
nolidad Apr 9 #33
USNRET1988 Apr 6 #19
Nephrite Apr 6 #13
nolidad Apr 6 #16
oldenuff35 Apr 6 #18
nolidad Apr 6 #21
USNRET1988 Apr 6 #20
nolidad Apr 6 #23
USNRET1988 Apr 6 #24
Nephrite Apr 6 #25
RCW2014 Apr 6 #26
nolidad Apr 7 #29
DillyDilly500 Apr 9 #34
nolidad Apr 10 #36
Grumpy Pickle Apr 4 #4
DavesNotHere Apr 7 #27
VOTE Apr 10 #35

Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:08 PM

1. Death Penalty

I think that the death penalty in American is far too complicated and borders on torture.

Seriously, just stick a shotgun up to the guy's head and pull the trigger.

Why do they need special rooms, expensive and hard to find drugs, clergy in the chamber, endless appeals.

What's a shotgun shell cost? 2 dollars?

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Response to VOTE (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:31 AM

3. Japan does it right.

the convicted isnt told when the death penalty will be carried out

at some point a door opens and within minutes he/she is dead

its much like how the British did it in the time of Albert Pierrepoint

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:34 PM

2. Superstition should never be part of a government excercise

let the priests and reverends join their spiritual kinfolk dancing around a fire with a bone through their nose.

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Response to Nephrite (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 06:51 AM

5. One day you will find out how deceived you have been!

Phil 2:

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


One day you will bow before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords my prayer is that you do so in receiving salvation and not the sentence your unforgiven sins earned you.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:41 PM

6. You like threatening people with your god.

You do it all the time.
Lmfao.
Nobody is scared of your phony god.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 10:23 PM

8. That's the shit people say

To feel better about their low achievement, trailer park lives.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 11:02 PM

9. Why pay attention to the "phoney God"?

Why respond to it than shrug it off? If it is irrelevant, why dignify it with a response?

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Response to MoshMasterD (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 5, 2019, 04:11 AM

10. I stand up to bullies.

When people threaten you with hell, like he has done to me and others a hundred times, you don't let them get away with it.
Gotta let them know, they don't scare you and they sound like children playing "my dad can beat up your dad".

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:05 PM

12. I saw no bullying.

Christianity is not the problem, legalism is. People need to learn to shrug it off and ignore these "bullying" things.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 09:03 PM

7. This kind of reply is exactly why I am not christian. There is no answer but yours....

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 5, 2019, 04:42 PM

11. It is not my answer but Jesus' Himself!

John 14:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 8:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

do not blame me for your lack of faith in Jesus Christ. Either what He said id true or false! I am just reminding people of the consequences of rejecting Christ! Also the joy of accepting Christ!

YOu must decide- He left no other alternatives! He declared it is His way or the highway. You must decide if He is true or not!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 03:31 AM

14. Prove it.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 06:39 AM

15. Read your bible!

I just gave you two places where Jesus said He is the only way!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 11:51 AM

17. I've read the bible as well as the Quran I've lived in the hindu world as well. I was raised shaman

So with provable facts, and specfic verifiable evidence that directly speaks to your point, prove your claim.

You have faith, and you are entitled to it but faith and fact are not the same.

Faith stands alone without proof.

Facts always must be proven.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 05:14 PM

22. See you err because you do not know biblical faith!

It is not a hope so faith, but a know so faith! We believe not because of some kind of wishful thinking but because we have a vital and saving relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ!

Down through the centuries this has mystified legions of unbelievers how we can sit so confidently in our beliefs! Also why so many of my brothers and sisters could die joyfully! Because we know Jesus!

YOu want evidence? Seek out Jesus!

Talk to millions of "born again " believers who are seeking to follow Jesus! we are not perfect, we are not omniscient- but we trust in the one who died and rose again and ascended back to heaven in the sight of 12 witnesses.

He was seen resurrected by over 500 as well. these facts literally changed the Jewish and Gentile worlds! The fact the church still exists is evidence of Jesus!

The fact that Israel became a nation again in 1948 after being scattered across the globe is evidence!

The fact that people who have no knowledge of Jesus can come to Christ by the simple preaching of the gospel is evidence! May not be the kind yo like but it is proof positive!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #22)

Sun Apr 7, 2019, 01:43 AM

28. You are full of shit because faith is not where close to fact. It seems everyone but you knows this

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 04:58 PM

30. Well I just left the bathroom , so I am empty now!

biblical faith is a confidence in the object of faith based on the evidence produced.

I have seen biblical prophesy fulfilled.

I have been the subject of miracles

And because when I first started I had a hope that Jesus was real ( I was not a believer till I turned 20) But because I gave Him a chance to prove Himself, so I could follow HIm, and He did!

YOU CAN CALL IT A HOPE SO FAITH, BUT WE WHO HAVE BEEN REDEEMED KNOW IT IS A KNOW SO FAITH!

All your rants cannot change the facts !

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 05:14 PM

31. Well it would be me and billions whom you think do not know this!

The church started by 12 semi literate Jewish boys who were very cowardly and fearful. Until the Holy Spirit descended on them! Then they became bold [preachers of the death and resurrection of Jesus to the very people who had the immediate knowledge of whether it was true or not! We have no historical record that declares the Apostles were preaching about a myth!

They saved tens of thousands of Jews and they became Christians! These people were ostracized and rejected by their nation. They lost their homes, jobs and families! All for a lie????

Then God called a man named Saul (who became Paul) who was at first determined to destroy the followers of Jesus! He imprisoned them and killed them wherever he went. Until He met the Risen, Glorified Jesus! Then he became the most rabid preacher of the Crucified risen Jesus! He turned the roman Empire upside down until Rome killed him.

10 Emperors ordered Christians murdered! the church was forced underground just to survive!

When the political force could not stop the growth of this faith in Jesus- Constantine tried to destroy it by marrying the church to the state!

Sorry, but in this day and age, people die for false Messiahs, but in Jesus' day- the Apostles were tortured and all but John died cruel deaths penniless. All for a lie??? I think not! I know not!

Israel was prophesied to be scattered across the globe- fulfilled in its entirety in 132-135 AD when Rome destroyed Jerusalem and Israel, scattered almost all the Jews throughout the empire and renamed the land Syria Palestina. 900 years after prophesied.

Jesus foretold that the temple would be destroyed because of judgment and not one stone would be left upon another in the temple. foretold 30AD fulfilled 70 AD under Titus!

Israel was prophesied to be returned to their land in the end times! prophesied 2600 years ago! Fulfilled 1948!

I could go on and on and on, but these are facts that are inconvenient for you so I will spare you!

Now maybe you can write off believers in the Americas because we have so many churches and so many TV's, but peoples in deep Africa and the jungles of Brazil and Columbia and people who have never heard the name jesus once- just byt he preaching of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus are turning to Him every day!

No demoninations- no forced giving or threatening to exommunicate- and these people are developing real relationships with Jesus.

I went into china twice and preached to people who never heard of Jesus and saw them get gloriously saved even though they knew it could mean years in prison at the time!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 05:29 PM

32. false argument but I'll play. Are you saying all those billions agree with you?

I've lived in 11 countries and 7 states and at face value most of them believe differently than you do. So, Claiming that they support you is a lie.

To further this line of thought, because a good many of them do not agree with you, but also believe, (faith), that they are totally right, then one side or ten are wrong even among those whom you claim are on your side.

Christians don't even agree on something as basic as the Rapture.

And we know, that those non believers will not ascend into heaven..... which side of this issue is going which direction?

Do not try and run the scam that all Christians believe the same, far from it.

In Germany they look at us and laugh.

Protestants are Protestants, and Catholics are Catholics. You don't have umpteen different brands of Catholics so why do we need a couple dozen different protestant beliefs. There,for the most part, they have one protestant doctrine.

You need to go back to school when you make these claims like you know what you are talking about.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 05:31 PM

33. Well if you are talking they have different methodology of worship

or different denominations and different practices- I have no argument.

But I am talking specifically about people who are not trusting in religion or their good works to save them, but in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for their sins!
And we are found in all denominations!

If they do not believe that basic fact- they may practice a form of Christianity, but according to Gods Word they are not Christians!

Yes there are many different believes in the rapture- but that doesn't mean anything!

Yes we believers have many disagreements on many peripheral issues! We all believe we are right (if someone they thought they were wrong and believed it- that poses a whole separate problem)

and I never tried to pull a scam that all Christians believe everything the same- I know better than that- so that is a redherring!

I do not care what Germany thinks of me! what was once a hot bed of the reclamation of the faith- is now very very apostate!

YOu write: "Protestants are Protestants, and Catholics are Catholics. You don't have umpteen different brands of Catholics so why do we need a couple dozen different protestant beliefs. There,for the most part, they have one protestant doctrine. "

You are talking religious practice and not the one thing that saves a person- trust in the death , burial, and physical resurrection of Jesus for our sin! That is what makes a Christian a Christian! Not being a member of a particular denomination of Christendom, or recieiving some sacraments, or practicing a decent life etc.etc.etc.

As for divisions in Christendom- It was told by Paul in Corinthians that divisions have to be there-

So you see people can disagree with me on lots of issues- we can debate and even get into a hearty debate over the differences, but in the end we can agree to disagree on the peripherals and still worship Christ together!

YOu are talking religion- I am talking relationship! I need not go back to school, I have been following Christ for 44 years and have seen many many things. You are focusing on the wrong issue altogether!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 01:29 AM

13. oh dear is your cruel and dull god

going to punish me?

shall i beg your impotent god to do it before labor day?

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Response to Nephrite (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 06:45 AM

16. He is not the one who punishes!

He just pays you the sentence your own sinfulness earned!

Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Your first line makes me pity you that you have bought such enormous lie.

YOu may mock and ridicule whom you do not know but He is not intimidated!

What you call impotent God works as patience

2 Peter 3
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

He disires you come to know HIm so that you will not suffer torment for all eternity because you refuse to accept the forgiveness He offers for your sin!

But He will not force you to love Him. If you are determined to suffer in the lake of fire- He will grant you yuour request! But once confronted with the reality of it- you will want to change your mind- but then it will be too late.

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Response to nolidad (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 11:56 AM

18. So tell us how babies who are killed in war were sinful enough to deserve their painful deaths

"He just pays you the sentence your own sinfulness earned! "

Apply this stupid statement to the question I asked in the reply title.

You do not have all the answers you are just arrogant and narcissistic and think you do.

You have faith, not facts. Faith and fact are not even related.

Those who followed Jim Jones also had faith, they were christians, and they read your bible often.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 05:07 PM

21. Its called mans sin!

God gave man free will and has allowed himto act according to His will.

God also set laws for man to live by so that he would be blessed, prosper and live in great peace!

Mankind in general has chosen to ignore the god of the bible and so we see the results of sin played out!

God has set a date when He will end mans viciousness!

He did not make us automatons. But He also has shown us the consequences of living for HIm and living apart from Him! Babies dying in war, women raped, children raped, people starving are mans doing not Gods!

Why does not God put a stop to it? I can only giver you some hypotheses. How true they are I do not know!

There is more than enough food produced to feed the world- it is mans greed and evil inclinations that keepsa that food from reaching everyone!

The followers of Jim Jones were not followers of Christ! They were following one who proclaimed HImself a Messiah in place of Jesus!

No I do not have all the answers. I just know what God has said in His Word. I cannot answer specifically for every evil in the world- but the Bible gives the general answers!

What you think of me is irrelevant!

Christian faith is based on knowledge and facts so I have both. I know the one in whom I believe in!

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Response to USNRET1988 (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 05:19 PM

23. That is not what He says!

He says come and have your sins forgiven!

Mankind is already lost! God gave th eprovision to become saved! Mankind proves its lostness because it sins.

Jesus said those words- they are either true or not!

remember the Bible only became a book in the fourth century. Before that these were letters and written accounts of the life of Christ written by the four writers!

If you were an eyewitness to Jesus, His life, His miracles and His death and Resurrection and He commanded you to pass this information- what would you have done back in those days????

The followers of Jesus told others and wrote ti down to send it elsewhere so others could read the accounts for themselves.

Seems you have the claim that needs proving. That is is all mythology!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 11:02 PM

25. christ almighty

you are an evil little thing. try a newer testament

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Response to Nephrite (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 7, 2019, 02:31 PM

29. Well Jesus is Almighty!

And I do not need a "newer" Testament.

The New Testament in the bible is inspired by the one seated on heavens' throne! It still stands!

Well by nature I am an evil little thing just like all humans, but I have received the forgiveness of God and so I am now called His dear child!

The invitation is freely extended to you as well!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:25 PM

34. A book written by a gaggle of drunkard's and thieves for only

their own self intersts.

They pulled off the grestest "scam" in world history.

My God will correct this in due time.

Wait for it!

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Response to DillyDilly500 (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:54 PM

36. Really!!!!

So where did you get this salacious info that has been hidden for two millennia?

Yeah all them apostles suffering horrid deaths, dying in poverty, rejected by their nation, hunted by rome! What a scam!!!

Who is your supposed god?

So loving others, denying your self, turn the other cheek, obey Rome as a Jew, those were intheir own self interests?

When you come back to sanity call us!

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu Apr 4, 2019, 02:28 AM

4. The prisoner should be the one who decides who they want in attendance.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 7, 2019, 12:07 AM

27. I do not think attendance is the issue, but rather who can be in

The actual room itself.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:33 AM

35. Huh?

The "prisoner" brutally murdered another human being and you think the prisoner should given the privilege of making decisions?

I'll compromise, the prisoner should be given the choice of two bullets to the back of the head or three.

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