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Sun Apr 14, 2019, 07:58 PM

New Concerns Trump Administration May Be Laying Legal Groundwork For Military Action Against Iran

Congress is making clear Trump does not have the authority for military action.



By Conor Finnegan
Apr 14, 2019 4:01 AM


When Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced the Trump administration would designate a branch of Iran’s military as a foreign terrorist organization Monday, he said, “The Trump administration is simply recognizing a basic reality.”

But critics say they are concerned that it may also be part of an effort to bend reality enough to provide legal justification for armed conflict with Iran.

“I am troubled that the administration can’t unequivocally say that you haven’t been given power. I can tell you explicitly, you have not been given power or authority by Congress to have war with Iran,” Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., told Pompeo on Wednesday.

But it’s also raised concerns among some that the foreign terrorist organization, or FTO, designation is part of laying the groundwork for strikes on Iranian forces, especially in Iraq or Syria where they may encounter U.S. troops.

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“What the Trump administration is doing here though is that this seems to be part of a continued drum beat trying to create a narrative of a nexus between Iran and al Qaeda that started well before this FTO designation,” said Tess Bridgeman, who served as Deputy Legal Adviser to President Barack Obama’s National Security Council. "The Trump administration seems to be priming the public for an argument that the 2001 AUMF covers Iran."

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Reply New Concerns Trump Administration May Be Laying Legal Groundwork For Military Action Against Iran (Original post)
RCW2014 Apr 14 OP
Da Mannn Apr 14 #1
Da Mannn Apr 14 #2
SatansSon666 Apr 15 #14
Da Mannn Apr 15 #15
SatansSon666 Apr 16 #19
Badsamm Apr 15 #3
Banshee 3 Actual Apr 15 #4
Gunslinger201 Apr 15 #5
Currentsitguy Apr 15 #8
Gunslinger201 Apr 15 #9
Currentsitguy Apr 15 #11
Badsamm Apr 15 #12
Gunslinger201 Apr 15 #13
uncledad Apr 15 #16
nolidad Apr 15 #6
FreeWheelBurning Apr 15 #7
BigKahunna2.0 Apr 15 #10
RCW2014 Apr 15 #18
FreeWheelBurning Apr 16 #20
RCW2014 Apr 16 #21
FreeWheelBurning Apr 16 #22
RCW2014 Apr 16 #23
RCW2014 Apr 16 #24
FreeWheelBurning Apr 16 #25
oflguy Apr 15 #17

Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 08:01 PM

1. Wow. You Lefties REALLY want a war. First it was NK, then Venezuella...

You need a war, because you cannot protest against prosperity.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 08:19 PM

2. Lefty needs a war, because you cannot protest against prosperity.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:45 PM

14. Ya, you just said that.

You thought it was so clever that you had to make sure people saw it.

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Response to SatansSon666 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:55 PM

15. Thank you. I am clever.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:59 AM

19. I wasn't calling you clever.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:53 AM

3. Lol. Like Russia and China wont do anything to support their friend

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:32 AM

4. LOL you think chicoms and putin would risk starting WW3 over iranians

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:18 AM

5. Iran should have been taken down in 1981

They have been at War with us for almost 40 years

Its time to smack them around a little

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:37 AM

8. You hit the nail on the head

I remember back when W said he was determined to not leave Iran as a problem for the next Administration to deal with. I was hopeful then they would be taken out. We all remember how that turned out.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:51 AM

9. Operation Eagle Claw, I was there

The failed Hostage Rescue mission, then after that we just sailed in circles off the Coast and watched Jimmy Carter just look like a Fool



I prayed for Reagan to Nuke their Chicken-Shiite Asses but alas he did not


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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:08 AM

11. I actually have a lot of sympathy for the Iranian people

Compared to their Arab neighbors, they have a long history of being a rather civilized culture. Islam has destroyed them and they deserve far better government than they have.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:25 AM

12. Taken down? Because they didnt want to be ruled by London and DC

Puppet government?

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:05 AM

13. Taken down because they invaded an American embassy and took Hostages

Then the turds became the Worlds Largest Terrorist Exporter Worldwide

Whacking the Mullahs 40 years ago would have put a kink in Islamic Terrorism and possibly changed history for the better

Speaking of London They invaded the Iranian Embassy in London and took the Shahs Staff Hostage

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:34 PM

16. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who was overthrown in 1979.

The Iranian Embassy siege took place from 30 April to 5 May 1980.

The hostage-takers were members of the Democratic Revolutionary Front for the Liberation of Arabistan (DRFLA), Iranian Arabs protesting for the establishment of an autonomous Arab state in the southern region of the Iranian province of Khūzestān which is home to an Arabic-speaking minority.

It was Arabs attacking Persians, both were Iranian nationals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_Siege

Who overthrew the Iranian government?

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد‎), was the overthrow of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot") and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project or "Operation Ajax"), and the first United States covert action to overthrow a foreign government during peacetime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi

The UK and the US forced a dictator on the Iranian people.

How did the Shah remain in power?

SAVAK

Mohammad Reza Shah with the help of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency ... SAVAK operated from 1957 until the Iranian Revolution of 1979, ... SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979 because of its practice of torturing and executing opponents of the Pahlavi regime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

On to the US Embassy in Iran

After Shah Pahlavi was overthrown, he was admitted to the U.S. for cancer treatment. Iran demanded his return in order to stand trial for crimes that he was accused of committing during his reign. Specifically, he was accused of committing crimes against Iranian citizens with the help of his secret police. Iran's demands were rejected by the United States, and Iran saw the decision to grant him asylum as American complicity in those atrocities.

First attempt
On the morning of February 14, 1979

The Organization of Iranian People's Fedai Guerrillas stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took a Marine named Kenneth Kraus hostage. Ambassador William Sullivan surrendered the embassy to save lives, and with the assistance of Iranian Foreign Minister Ebrahim Yazdi, returned the embassy to U.S. hands within three hours. Kraus was injured in the attack, kidnapped by the militants, tortured, tried, and convicted of murder. He was to be executed, but President Carter and Sullivan secured his release within six days. This incident became known as the Valentine's Day Open House.

Second attempt

The next attempt to seize the American Embassy was planned for September 1979

Takeover

On November 4, 1979, one of the demonstrations organized by Iranian student unions loyal to Khomeini erupted into an all-out conflict right outside the walled compound housing the U.S. Embassy.

February to November 1979 and nobody thought to add more guards, shut down the Embassy, reduce the staff to a minimum with additional security? Did they not notice the demonstrations everyday?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

Then there's these guys:

The People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran or the Mojahedin-e Khalq , abbreviated MEK, is an Iranian political–militant organization based on Islamic and Socialist ideology and advocates overthrowing the Islamic Republic of Iran leadership and installing its own government.

It was the "first Iranian organization to develop systematically a modern revolutionary interpretation of Islam – an interpretation that deferred sharply from both the old conservative Islam of the traditional clergy and the new populist version formulated in the 1970s by Ayatollah Khomeini and his government.

" The MEK is considered the Islamic Republic of Iran's biggest and most active political opposition group.

The Department of State’s report claims the MEK's armed conflicts took place in the early 1970s, after June 1981, the latter part of the 1980s, and the latter part of the 1990s until 2001, targeting the state (Iranian regime officials), security forces, and state-owned buildings.". The MEK was the first group carrying out suicide attacks in Iran. According to Hamid Reza, more than 16,000 people have been killed in attacks by the MEK since 1979. From 26 August 1981 to December 1982, it orchestrated 336 attacks.

In 1997, the United States put the MEK on the U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations

On 28 September 2012 the U.S. State Department formally removed MEK from its official list of terrorist organizations, Secretary of State Clinton said in a statement that the decision was made because the MEK had renounced violence and had cooperated in closing their Iraqi paramilitary base.

A look at the MEK

MEK was among the opposition groups receiving supports from Gulf nations such as Saudi Arabia. By 1978, Western intelligence agencies maintained that the MEK was supported by foreign states, based on evidence of receiving funds from Libya led by Muammar Gaddafi, as well as Iraq, then under control of Ba'athists

In 2006, Iraqi Prime Minister Al-Maliki told the MEK it had to leave Iraq, but the MEK responded that the "request violated their status under the Geneva Convention." Al-Maliki and the Iraqi Ministry of Justice maintained that the MEK had committed human rights abuses in the early 1990s when it aided Saddam Hussain's campaign against the Shi'ite uprising.[34

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran

The MEK's been killing people for 30 years doing their Islamic counter-revolution with the help of the US and the UK intel services and supporters in State Departments. Along with the Saudi and Israeli supporters.

The same MEK Bolton and the neocons are in bed with.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:27 AM

6. Your pravda journalists should make up their minds.

one week hes' a wuss, the next he is plotting war!

Kim pulls the wool over his eyes, then he is going to cause nuclear war with NOKO!

Maybe it is something in their coffee!

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:14 AM

7. I thought he was going to invade Venezuela?

Make up your mind.

Out of curiosity, do you keep track of the number of invasions you predict that do not come true?

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:54 AM

10. Comrade RCW simply posts what his handlers from the mother land tell him to post.

Reason, logic and credibility have no place in his world

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:03 PM

18. Do you keep track of how many miles of the new Mexico/US wall hasn't been built

after these 2 years and how much Mexico hasn't paid for that wall???



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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 07:52 AM

20. Are you lost?

Or was this the dumbest attempt at a non-sequitur on this board?

Just when I think you cannot make any more of a joke out of yourself.

Complete failure.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:25 AM

21. Can't answer the question, eh?

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:32 AM

22. Cant follow a thread eh?

Pathetic.

Deflection fails again.

You suck at this.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:51 AM

24. It was you that brought Venezuela into my OP concerning Iran. Duh!

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:53 AM

25. Are you really this dense? Let me dumb it down for you.

Your OP was about potential US military action in Iran.

You recently posted that there was potential US military action in Venezuela.

The relation between the two is the hand wringing about potential US military action.

Let me know if you need this broken down any further. Perhaps a Venn diagram?

Just a head's up. When you post in the next week or two about more potential US military action I will bring up your past record again. This foreknowledge will hopefully aid you in your recognition of the theme of the conversation.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:51 PM

17. bend reality?

You can't be that stupid. They would decapitate you in a heartbeat

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