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Wed May 1, 2019, 03:18 PM

Russian : Further "Aggressive Steps" In Venezuela Would Be Fraught With The Gravest Consequences

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo by phone on Wednesday that further “aggressive steps” in Venezuela would be fraught with the gravest consequences, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said.

Lavrov also condemned U.S. “interference” in Venezuela’s internal affairs as a breach of international law, adding that dialogue between all political forces is required in Venezuela.

In turn, the United States has also accused Moscow of interfering in the South American country, an ally of Russia since the time of Chavez.

Pompeo said on Tuesday that Maduro had recently been prepared to leave Venezuela but changed his plan after Russia intervened. A spokeswoman for Russia’s foreign ministry denied that.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/guaido-faces-test-with-call-for-largest-march-in-venezuela-history-idUSKCN1S734M?il=0

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:23 PM

1. RC loves stories like this, being a Russian pawn and all.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #1)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:40 PM

3. He claims to be a Marxist

Maybe one day he will learn what Marxism is.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #3)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:52 PM

5. I'd like to see that claim. have a link to it?

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Response to DillyDilly500 (Reply #5)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:00 PM

6. Here

myohmy (4,519 posts)

Should Guaido be arrested?

RT, 5-1-2019

" Maduro congratulates military on 'defeating' coup attempt as Guaido calls for more protests "



RCW2014 (17,206 posts)
1. Actually his demise would be preferable for Muardo. Having him as a token

imprisoned for his followers to rally around wouldn't be prudent.

Not advocating that, just saying...



TM999 (13,453 posts)
3. Bullshit.

You support Marxist dictators, so of course you support his summary execution....just saying



RCW2014 (17,206 posts)
5. No argument here. eom



oflguy (18,084 posts)
13. RCW you don't know what Marxism is

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Response to oflguy (Reply #6)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:53 PM

11. He need said he ws a marxist in that reply.

Wanna try again?

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Response to DillyDilly500 (Reply #11)

Wed May 1, 2019, 06:04 PM

14. He clearly stated that he agreed with my assertion

without argument.

He supports Marxist dictators.

He supports the summary execution of the legitimate President of Venezuela.

Wanna try again?

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:38 PM

2. interference

You mean like sending military to Venezuela to police the people like Cuba did early on?

What do you think Pompeo should do? Tell the Venezuelan people to STOP IT?

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 03:50 PM

4. I noticed Trump called out Cuba for it's intervention

in Venezuela but has not said anything about Russia's involvement.



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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #4)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:03 PM

7. Gee, I guess that means Trump is a Russian asset

Castro sent armed soldiers to protect Maduro from the very beginning of unrest.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #7)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:10 PM

8. I didn't say it meant anything but

according to Pompeo Russia talked Maduro out of leaving for Cuba:

“We’ve watched throughout the day, it’s been a long time since anyone’s seen Maduro."

"He had an airplane on the tarmac, he was ready to leave this morning as we understand it and the Russians indicated he should stay.”
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

That certainly sounds like the administration feels like Russia is directly involved and prolonging the problem.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article229874589.html

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #8)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:13 PM

9. Maybe you should write Trump and express your deep concern to him

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Response to oflguy (Reply #9)

Wed May 1, 2019, 04:26 PM

10. Where did I express any concern

I made an observation and provided links.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #10)

Wed May 1, 2019, 07:19 PM

15. Right

You was trying to imply Trump is complacent with Russia

Do you really think you are fooling anybody in the forum with that "Independent" bullshit?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #15)

Thu May 2, 2019, 07:45 AM

17. Nope

Just observing the fact that Trump has called out Cuba for being involved with the situation in Cuba but hasn't said anything about Russia being involved despite the fact his secretary of state has stated that it was Russia that convinced Maduro not to leave for Cuba.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
· Apr 30, 2019
If Cuban Troops and Militia do not immediately CEASE military and other operations for the purpose of causing death and destruction to the Constitution of Venezuela, a full and complete....
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
....embargo, together with highest-level sanctions, will be placed on the island of Cuba. Hopefully, all Cuban soldiers will promptly and peacefully return to their island!

“We’ve watched throughout the day, it’s been a long time since anyone’s seen Maduro."
"He had an airplane on the tarmac, he was ready to leave this morning as we understand it and the Russians indicated he should stay.”
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

If you can link to statements by Trump showing something different please do so.

If you somehow infer that as Trump being complacent with Russia that is on you, I just stated what I have observed and provided links to statements by Trump and Pompeo.

"Do you really think you are fooling anybody in the forum with that "Independent" bullshit?"
No because I am not trying to "fool" anyone.
I am in fact a registered independent and your opinion has no impact on that fact.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #17)

Thu May 2, 2019, 07:53 AM

18. Hmmmmm, now I'm beginning to wonder

He hasn't called out Albania either

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Response to oflguy (Reply #18)

Thu May 2, 2019, 07:57 AM

19. Is Albania involved?

Link to their involvement for me as I would like to see what they are doing in Venezuela as well.

Per Secretary of State Mike Pompeo Russia is directly involved:
“We’ve watched throughout the day, it’s been a long time since anyone’s seen Maduro."

"He had an airplane on the tarmac, he was ready to leave this morning as we understand it and the Russians indicated he should stay.”
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #19)

Thu May 2, 2019, 07:58 AM

20. We may never know

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Response to oflguy (Reply #20)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:12 AM

21. But we do know per the administration that

Cuba is involved and so is Russia.
“We’ve watched throughout the day, it’s been a long time since anyone’s seen Maduro."

"He had an airplane on the tarmac, he was ready to leave this morning as we understand it and the Russians indicated he should stay.”
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo



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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #21)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:17 AM

22. Do you have a point?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #22)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:26 AM

23. My point has already been made

It was made in my first post.

Do you have a point?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #23)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:29 AM

24. Yeah, thats what I thought, no point

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Response to oflguy (Reply #24)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:34 AM

25. Here I will state it again since you want to play games

Trump has called out Cuba on their role in the current situation in Valenzuela:



He has not however said anything about what Russia is doing despite the fact that the Secretary of State has stated that Russia has directly intervened and encouraged Marduro not to leave:
“We’ve watched throughout the day, it’s been a long time since anyone’s seen Maduro."

"He had an airplane on the tarmac, he was ready to leave this morning as we understand it and the Russians indicated he should stay.”
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article229874589.html



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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #25)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:52 AM

26. I can only guess you want people to conclude "Orange Man Bad" from your many posts

If so, you are not making your case

Otherwise, I have no idea what you want your point to be.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #26)

Thu May 2, 2019, 08:55 AM

27. My point is an observation of the facts

Sorry you seem to have a problem comprehending that.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #27)

Thu May 2, 2019, 09:09 AM

28. You forgot to include the facts about Albania

May as well state them all

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Response to oflguy (Reply #28)

Thu May 2, 2019, 09:18 AM

29. Please link to Albania's direct involvement in the situation and I will be glad to comment

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #29)

Thu May 2, 2019, 09:21 AM

30. There is none, and Trump didn't call them out

You're not the only one that can post pointless stuff

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Response to oflguy (Reply #30)

Thu May 2, 2019, 09:27 AM

31. So you don't have anything to refute the facts I posted

you just want to be obtuse and argumentative with nothing of substance to say.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #31)

Thu May 2, 2019, 09:45 AM

32. What do those facts say to you?

What is the significance?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #32)

Thu May 2, 2019, 09:52 AM

33. As yet to be determined

The official stance by the administration regarding interference in Venezuela is a threat to Cuba to leave things alone or "a full and complete embargo, together with highest-level sanctions, will be placed on the island of Cuba."

Russia has directly intervened and convinced Marduro not to leave the country thus prolonging the situation and the official stance by the administration regarding Russia's interference is what? We don't know because it has not been stated by the administration.

I will wait to see what else happens before I determine what the significance is.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #34)

Thu May 2, 2019, 10:23 AM

35. I have not advocated for war with Russia or miltary intervention in Venezueala

As I stated I will wait to see what else develops.

Trump is talking tough about Cuba but not saying anything about Russia.
Pompeo is acknowledging that Russia is playing a direct role and further destabilizing the situation.

The link you provided says that administration options are limited:
"With fewer levers left to pull and protests apparently petering out on Wednesday, President Donald Trump could suffer a setback if Guaido’s latest push fails to ignite a broader uprising against Maduro."

Our track record with nation building and regime change is not great in recent history and I don't think military intervention by the US is warranted or likely.

Evolving situation with an uncertain outcome.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #35)

Thu May 2, 2019, 10:25 AM

36. Do you support Maduro?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #36)

Thu May 2, 2019, 10:28 AM

37. Hell no

Do you?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #37)

Thu May 2, 2019, 10:50 AM

38. No, what do you think about socialism?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #38)

Thu May 2, 2019, 10:53 AM

40. I am a capitalist but keep fishing

What do you think about US military intervention in Venezuela?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #40)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:10 AM

41. The Veneuzalens are helpless without guns

Three loyalists in the Maduro government promised to revolt in the recent uprising and reneged on that promise.

Without US military intervention, I see nothing but doom and gloom ahead for the Veneuzelan people. If Trump allows Cuba and Russia to continue to prop up Maduro, thousands more will die. Hundreds of thousands of others will suffer under a repressive government.


Socialism is an evil system of economics. It serves no one but the elite in power that administer it. In Cuba, if you break a plate from your cupboard, you must save the pieces to prove to the government you didn't sell it on the black market. Only then can you obtain a replacement plate. Under a socalist system of economics doctors make little more than garbage men. Hard work is not rewarded, but frowned upon. People that want to make a better life for themselves have no hope of doing so, unless you are a favored son of the government.


Liberating people in Venezuela and saving them from a life of oppression is a good and noble thing.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #41)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:21 AM

42. So you are on record supporting sending US troops to Venezuela

Appreciate the honest response.

I will respectfully disagree as it is not our place to free Venezuelans from bad government that is their own responsibility.

Given our exploding national debt we cannot afford to continue to spend our treasure to "liberate" people from their own bad choices.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #42)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:30 AM

45. Don't you mean the bad choices of dictators?

When Castro took power in Cuba, he wisely did not say he was a communist. After, a weak JFK sabotaged a CIA sponsored coup that could have saved the Cuban people decades of misery. I hope you don't believe the Cuban people decided to live in a socialist country filled with poverty and oppression.

You can't free yourself from a dictator by talking to him. It takes guns.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #45)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:37 AM

46. Venezuela is not Cuba

Chavez was elected as was Marduro.

If the people of Venezuela truly want change they will have to force it to happen it is not the responsibility of the US and if they don't then US intervention will not have the desired outcome long-term.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #46)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:40 AM

47. "force it to happen"

how?

The overthrow of Bautista was very much supported by the Cuban people


Just as Obama, they never tell you what they really have in mind. Were it not for gun ownership in this country, Obama would still be calling the shots

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Response to oflguy (Reply #47)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:57 AM

48. How can the US force the people of Venezuela to embrace

anything similar to our system of government and values?

What makes you so sure that the over-throw of Maduro will have any better outcome of than what happened in Cuba?

If the people of Venezuela want change so desperately they have to fight for it.

Guaido is calling for protests and marching in the streets today and I haven't seen much being reported saying the people are with him and following thru on his request.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #48)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:18 PM

49. they have to fight for it.

how?

With what?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #49)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:20 PM

50. Follow Guido's lead if he is the chosen leader

What makes you so sure the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #50)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:26 PM

51. You mean Guaido should try to reason with Maduro?

Can Guaido talk Maduro into stepping down?

The only thing certain about Venezuela's future is it will continue to be awful under Maduro

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Response to oflguy (Reply #51)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:31 PM

52. Is that what Guaido is calling for, reasoning with Maduro?

What makes you so sure the outcome in Venezuela will be any better than what happened in Cuba?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #52)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:36 PM

53. Evidently that is what you think should happen

What other options do Venezuelans have?

They could always just shut up and starve. I almost forgot about that option.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #53)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:45 PM

54. What makes you think the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?

Why do you keep making up stuff and saying it's my position and responding to your own words?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #54)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:47 PM

55. Why do you keep evading my question?

What can the Venezuelan people do?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #55)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:50 PM

56. What makes you think the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?

You have ignored my question repeatedly however

I answered your question (see post #47) https://www.discussionist.com/1014461459#post47
They have a leader for their cause they need to follow his lead.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #56)

Thu May 2, 2019, 12:53 PM

57. Follow his lead and do what?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #57)

Thu May 2, 2019, 01:02 PM

58. What makes you think the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?

I am not going to continue to waste time with you given that you don't want to have an actual conversation.

It is not the responsibility of the US military or US taxpayers to facilitae and pay for in lives and treasure regime change in Venezula, it is the responsibility of Venezuelans to pay the price.

They have a cause.
They have a leader for that cause
If it matters enough to them to make it happen they will figure out a way to make it happen.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #58)

Thu May 2, 2019, 01:06 PM

59. I answered your question the very first time you asked it

Its pretty clear that you understand that without outside help the people of Venezuela are doomed to live under an oppressive communist dictator. They are helpless without guns.


Again, the only thing certain about Venezuela's future is that it is grim without somebody's help (and I don't mean Castro or Putin)

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Response to oflguy (Reply #59)

Thu May 2, 2019, 01:18 PM

60. What makes you so sure the outcome will be any better in Venezuela than it was in Cuba?

Where in this is your answer to that question?

48.IM How can the US force the people of Venezuela to embrace anything similar to our system of government and values?

What makes you so sure that the over-throw of Maduro will have any better outcome of than what happened in Cuba?

If the people of Venezuela want change so desperately they have to fight for it.

Guaido is calling for protests and marching in the streets today and I haven't seen much being reported saying the people are with him and following thru on his request.

49.OFG they have to fight for it.
how?
With what?

50.IM Follow Guido's lead if he is the chosen leader
What makes you so sure the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?

51.OFG You mean Guaido should try to reason with Maduro?
Can Guaido talk Maduro into stepping down?
The only thing certain about Venezuela's future is it will continue to be awful under Maduro

52. IMIs that what Guaido is calling for, reasoning with Maduro?
What makes you so sure the outcome in Venezuela will be any better than what happened in Cuba?

53.OFG Evidently that is what you think should happen
What other options do Venezuelans have?
They could always just shut up and starve. I almost forgot about that option.

54.IM What makes you think the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?
Why do you keep making up stuff and saying it's my position and responding to your own words?

55.OFG Why do you keep evading my question?
What can the Venezuelan people do?

56.IM What makes you think the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?
You have ignored my question repeatedly however
I answered your question (see post #47) https://www.discussionist.com/1014461459#post47
They have a leader for their cause they need to follow his lead.

57. OFG Follow his lead and do what?

58.IM What makes you think the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?
I am not going to continue to waste time with you given that you don't want to have an actual conversation.
It is not the responsibility of the US military or US taxpayers to facilitae and pay for in lives and treasure regime change in Venezula, it is the responsibility of Venezuelans to pay the price.
They have a cause.
They have a leader for that cause
If it matters enough to them to make it happen they will figure out a way to make it happen.

59.OFG I answered your question the very first time you asked it
Its pretty clear that you understand that without outside help the people of Venezuela are doomed to live under an oppressive communist dictator. They are helpless without guns.
Again, the only thing certain about Venezuela's future is that it is grim without somebody's help (and I don't mean Castro or Putin)

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #60)

Thu May 2, 2019, 01:49 PM

61. Why do you continue to evade my question?

What can they do to end the oppression of Maduro?


Its obvious you lied when you said you don't support Maduro and that you are a capitalist. Your position is that the people should just shut up and obey the dictator because that is what is best for them.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #61)

Thu May 2, 2019, 02:02 PM

62. Again with making shit up and saying it's my postion

Maduro needs to go but it is the burden and responsibility of Venezuelans to make that happen.
It isn't the responsibility of the US to remove him and shoulder the burden in lives and treasure.


What makes you so sure the outcome in Venezuela will be any different than Cuba?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #62)

Thu May 2, 2019, 02:08 PM

63. make that happen how?

You won't answer that question because you can't.

You know full well the people in Venezuela are fucked. They have no guns. If they show resistance to Maduro they will be killed or imprisoned. That is how socialism works. You must be a good little socialist or you no longer exist. The people's only hope is for somebody to step in and help them. But socialists like you do not want that to happen.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #63)

Thu May 2, 2019, 02:23 PM

64. What makes you so sure the outcome will be any better in Venezuela than it was in Cuba?

"If they show resistance to Maduro they will be killed or imprisoned."

Oh really?

How do you explain Juan Guaido walking around and freely calling for the overthrow of Marduro?

You have no problem sending in troops and spending more taxpayer money for what may or may not be favorable outcome.

Where else do you want to spill American blood and spend American money to force regime change?

They have a cause
They have a leader for that cause
If they have the will they can figure out how to make it happen and if they don't American intervention will fail anyway.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #64)

Thu May 2, 2019, 02:30 PM

65. You have shown your true colors in blatant fashion

Some of us believe in freedom, thank goodness.

Hopefully, Trump will not tolerate Maduro's crimes against the Venezuelan people much longer. The people there don't have much else to hope for.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #65)

Thu May 2, 2019, 02:38 PM

66. I sure have

And so have you.

You support spilling American blood and spending American treasure to bring about regime change in Venezula and god knows where else with nothing but hope that it will turn out well.

I have stated without hesitation that Maduro needs to go and had it not been for Russian influence he may very well be in Cuba today.
What has Trump said about Russia talking Maduro into not leaving yesterday as it appears, and from what US Secretary of State Pompeo stated, he was ready to do.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #66)

Thu May 2, 2019, 02:42 PM

67. Don't worry about Trump

Give a fuck about the Venezuelan people for a change

I swear, you people disgust me.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #67)

Thu May 2, 2019, 02:50 PM

68. You disgust me as well

You keep making up shit and saying it is my position and getting your little panties in a knot based on what you think and claim is my postion.

I sure as hell care about the people of Venezula, happen to work with one and he has family still fucking there.
We have been discussing this situation for weeks so I likely know more about this than you do.

You get all fucking high and mighty thinking you know shit and you don't.

If you are so keen to spill American blood to help the Venezuelan people hop on a plane and get on down there.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #68)

Thu May 2, 2019, 02:53 PM

69. What a liar

You don't give a fuck about them one tiny bit

You have made that abundantly clear repeatedly

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Response to oflguy (Reply #69)

Thu May 2, 2019, 03:13 PM

70. Keep it up your just showing how little you really know

Let me know when you get your flight booked.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #70)

Thu May 2, 2019, 03:20 PM

71. I'm finished with you and your lies

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Response to oflguy (Reply #71)

Thu May 2, 2019, 03:26 PM

73. What makes you think the outcome in Venezuela will be better than Cuba?

The only one lying here isn't me.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Wed May 1, 2019, 05:05 PM

12. Thats a hoot!

Russia is knee deep in interfering in Valenzuela and he is warning someone else!

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Response to nolidad (Reply #12)

Wed May 1, 2019, 05:11 PM

13. Both the Russians and the Cubans were invited

to Venezuelan by the sitting government.

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Response to DillyDilly500 (Reply #13)

Wed May 1, 2019, 07:27 PM

16. But not the Venezuelan people

"sitting government"

You mean Maduro

Its obvious who you side with

Are you a Marxist too?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #16)

Thu May 2, 2019, 10:51 AM

39. *crickets*

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Response to oflguy (Reply #16)

Thu May 2, 2019, 07:29 PM

74. The Venezuelan people voted their government

so yes, they did.

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Response to DillyDilly500 (Reply #74)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:11 PM

75. Weak, Dilly

EXTREEMLY weak

I guess you're going to say the Venezuelan people want to be oppressed by an evil dictator?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #75)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:14 PM

76. Not unlike most of your posts.

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Response to DillyDilly500 (Reply #76)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:23 PM

77. Are the Veneuzelan people getting what they deserve?

since they voted for him?

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Response to DillyDilly500 (Reply #13)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:25 AM

44. And we were invited to South Vietnam and Kuwait

Cubans would be the only ones with balls to fight

russians and Chicoms too far from home base

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:24 AM

43. By Who? russia has no power projection other than some old subs and bear bombers

ground/Airborne forces are at least a week away and would be seen as invaders by the world and Venezuelans and your supply line would be quite taught

All Vladboi puffery by Lackey Lavrov

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 03:24 PM

72. FUCK RUSSIA

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