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Mon May 13, 2019, 08:00 AM

US to present 'irrefutable evidence' that Iran violated the nuclear deal

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-nikki-haley-irrefutable-evidence-tiran-violated-the-iran-deal-2017-12

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Reply US to present 'irrefutable evidence' that Iran violated the nuclear deal (Original post)
oflguy May 13 OP
rampartb May 13 #1
Currentsitguy May 13 #2
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Independent.mind Tuesday #8
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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:00 AM

1. what evidence could be "irrefutable" from the country that presented the wmd to the security council

i sure don't believe it.

if we get too close to war with iran putin will stop it, just like he pulled trump's leash on venezuela.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #1)

Mon May 13, 2019, 09:05 AM

2. Putin needs to be put down like the mad dog he is.

I suspect by the end of summer we are going to see a joint US/Colombian effort (perhaps other Latin American countries as well) move into Venezuela as a stabilization force.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #2)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:50 AM

4. a proxy war?

yes i think you are correct. brazil maybe.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #4)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:56 AM

5. No matter how you fall on the issue

It is hard to deny there is a refugee crisis on the Colombian and Brazilian border that is putting a lot of stress on those two countries. I think eventually they will be forced to act if for no other reason than to relieve the burden. The role I suspect the US will play will be to keep the Cuban forces at bay and to prevent any reinforcement by sea. I would not be surprised to see us provide air support and ELINT as well.

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Response to rampartb (Reply #1)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:37 AM

3. I;m not so sure who is pulling whose leash in Venezuela

Trump has recently told Putin to back off

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 03:43 AM

6. Remarks at a Press Conference on Iranian Arms Exports

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Response to Isidore (Reply #6)

Tue May 14, 2019, 08:50 AM

7. "Iran has been misunderstood"

Yeah, so was Adolph Hitler before the blitzkrieg

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 09:37 AM

8. "The US military is exploring a plan to deploy 120,000 troops to the Middle East"

"The US military is exploring a plan to deploy 120,000 troops to the Middle East as tensions with Iran intensify"

"The US military briefed President Donald Trump's national-security aides on a revamped plan that could result in the deployment of up to 120,000 troops to the Middle East, according to national-security officials cited in a New York Times report published Monday.

The reported plan calls for the deployment of troops in the event that Iran either attacks US forces or ramps up its nuclear-weapons program, several unnamed US officials told The Times."


https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-exploring-plan-to-deploy-120000-troops-to-middle-east-2019-5

Why in the HELL are we setting the table for another war in the middle east?

How much appetite is there in the public-at-large for yet more sacrifice of blood and treasure in the desert?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #8)

Tue May 14, 2019, 09:42 AM

9. What state do you live in?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #9)

Tue May 14, 2019, 09:51 AM

10. Nope not playing your little questions questions questions game

If you have something to say to me say it but I am not going to answer endless questions.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #10)

Tue May 14, 2019, 11:07 AM

11. Unless you have been living in a cave someplace

You have to know that Iranians have been chanting death to America with their daily prayers for many years, and their leaders have vowed to destroy this country time after time. Do you think they are joking? Why do you think they have thumbed their noses at the world for so many years, demanding that they be allowed to self-inspect their military installations and nuclear facilities? Obama gladly agreed to that as he gave them billions of our taxpayer dollars. Can you imagine the laughter by Iranians when Obama did that?


The writing has been on the table for years, Iran is going to attack this country. Would you rather Iran set the table in your state, or would you rather the shit comes down the tube over there?


It looks like Iran is ready, or at least they feel like they are ready for war. I'm sure they believe Allah is on their side and are ready to die in their proposed Jihad so they can go to heaven. Thats what their religion teaches them. There is no more dangerous foe than one that doesn't mind, or aches to die for their god.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #11)

Tue May 14, 2019, 12:19 PM

12. No more pre-emptive war

without PROOF of a credible threat that is imminent.
To me that means it can not be based solely or predominantly on Israeli intelligence since they would love nothing more for the US to strike Iran on their behalf.

"Iran is going to attack this country"
Utter nonsense. That may be a possibility but it not a certainty

I am not so arrogant or naive to believe that there would never be a situation making that possible or even probable but I don't believe it has escalated to that point yet.

All the bluster, chest pounding, and saber-rattling may be moving us closer to that point however.

"Would you rather Iran set the table in your state"
What makes you think they can strike the middle of the continental United States?

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #12)

Tue May 14, 2019, 01:58 PM

13. How do I know where you live?

Its a secret

War is coming from Iran. You may as well accept that fact. They are determined to wage it.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #13)

Tue May 14, 2019, 02:01 PM

14. That is your opinion

If you are so gung-ho for it and think it needs to happen then hop your happy ass on a plane and fly on over to show us how to do it.

War needs to be a last resort not a first response.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #14)

Tue May 14, 2019, 06:16 PM

15. Gung ho?

Only a fool wants war.

Only a fool ignores the warning signs when they are so obvious. You are confused. Iran is the gung ho one.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #15)

Tue May 14, 2019, 06:56 PM

16. Yes you seem rather gung ho

You’ve already stated in another thread that you’re ready to send troops to Venezuela and now you want to start a war with Iran. Where else do you think the US need to expend blood and treasure?

And it is still just your opinion that Iran is in your words “going to attack” the US

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #16)

Tue May 14, 2019, 10:39 PM

17. Quit lying

Iraq wants to spill your blood - desperately

Good thing you are not president. You'd let them kill you - and the rest of us

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Response to oflguy (Reply #17)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:47 AM

18. Tell me where I lied

Link to a post
I sure as hell can with you.
https://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=33790


Here is where you called for direct US military intervention in Venezuela:
"Without US military intervention, I see nothing but doom and gloom ahead for the Veneuzelan people. If Trump allows Cuba and Russia to continue to prop up Maduro, thousands more will die. Hundreds of thousands of others will suffer under a repressive government."
https://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=461595


"Iraq wants to spill your blood - desperately"

Maybe but they are not capable of a military strike on the continental US.


Good thing you are not president. You'd let them kill you - and the rest of us"

Absolutely Stupid
I posted in this thread that war should be a last resort not a first response.
If there is a credible and imminent threat that can be proven to exist military intervention may be the best option.
If a direct attack occurs then military intervention my be the only option
Just because we think they might do this or that is NOT a valid reason for military intervention.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #18)

Wed May 15, 2019, 10:59 AM

19. You said I want a war with Iraq

That is a lie

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Response to oflguy (Reply #19)

Wed May 15, 2019, 11:05 AM

20. If that is the case fine

You certainly appear to want something done, what would that be?

Please explain what you would advocate for regarding Iran.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #20)

Wed May 15, 2019, 11:57 AM

21. I said nobody wants a war

If attacked, attack back

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Response to oflguy (Reply #21)

Wed May 15, 2019, 11:59 AM

22. Which is what I said and you jumped all over me

The stance I took and continue to take is we should not engage in a pre-emptive war with Iran.
Stated that plainly
https://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=462760

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #22)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:57 PM

23. I said I do not want a war with Iran

Why is that so hard to understand?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #23)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:01 PM

24. It isn't

Just wondering why you jumped on me for saying the exact same thing.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #24)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:57 PM

25. This is what you said

"Why in the HELL are we setting the table for another war in the middle east?

"How much appetite is there in the public-at-large for yet more sacrifice of blood and treasure in the desert?


There is a big difference between protecting your people and "setting the table for war." As I have said, Iran is dead set on war with us. THEY are the ones with an appetite for it. To ignore that fact would be negligence. Remember a place called Benghazi? We left those people defenseless and they were murdered.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #25)

Thu May 16, 2019, 10:07 AM

26. Read all my posts in this thread.

I have been very clear
No preemptive war

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #26)

Thu May 16, 2019, 10:18 AM

27. Oh, I get it

You never saw the news story that said we have intelligence that Iran plans to attack our people in the Middle East

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Response to oflguy (Reply #27)

Thu May 16, 2019, 10:52 AM

28. ....

12. No more pre-emptive war
without PROOF of a credible threat that is imminent.
To me that means it can not be based solely or predominantly on Israeli intelligence since they would love nothing more for the US to strike Iran on their behalf.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #28)

Thu May 16, 2019, 11:43 AM

29. I see, so they haven't shown you the proof that Iran plans to attack us.

Why those dirty birds!

You think our only source of information is Israel???

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Response to oflguy (Reply #29)

Thu May 16, 2019, 05:33 PM

30. There is no proof that a credible and imminent threat of an attack by Iran

Bolton is a war hawk and any claims he makes needs to be strongly vetted.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #30)

Thu May 16, 2019, 06:18 PM

31. Who told you there is no proof that Iran plans to attack us?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #31)

Fri May 17, 2019, 09:09 AM

32. Cant prove a negative so

YOU prove there is a credible and imminent threat that Iran is going to attack the US

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #32)

Fri May 17, 2019, 09:19 AM

33. Silly boi, if you think the Pentagon is going to tell me & YOU where and how they are getting their

intelligence, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

I know, how DARE they send aircraft carriers someplace without consulting you first.

Has it crossed your closed mind that perhaps the presence of carriers there will PREVENT war? Of course not. Liberals don't think that way.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #33)

Fri May 17, 2019, 11:32 AM

34. Couple of points

Do not call me boy, boi or any other derivative of it.
I am a grown ass man that has traveled all over the world and been working and paying taxes for almost 40 years.
I have run manufacturing facilities and managed multi-million dollar budgets and thousands of people

Secondly I have stated clearly several times that my issue is the possibility of the US engaging in pre-emptive war with Iran.
There is no reporting beyond the movement of a carrier group indicating there is an imminent and credible threat of attack by Iran.
It is my opinion that if we are to engage in pre-emptive military engagement with Iran it needs to be explained in advance to the public.
You may have a different opinion
If we are attacked that is entirely different matter

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #34)

Fri May 17, 2019, 03:57 PM

35. Trump has made it clear to his administration that he does not want to start a war with Iran

So you can get it out of your head that he is sending carriers to do that.

We conservatives understand that weakness invites conflict. You liberals should be thankful that we have a president that is demonstrating to Iran that he is not going to put up with whatever Iran has on their minds. Hopefully, this will prevent or delay the war they so eagerly crave.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #35)

Fri May 17, 2019, 05:27 PM

36. Damn funny you keep saying the same things Im saying

While you pretend I said something different

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #36)

Fri May 17, 2019, 10:57 PM

37. Damn funny I don't remember saying any of this....wanna guess who did?

“Why in the HELL are we setting the table for another war in the middle east?

“How much appetite is there in the public-at-large for yet more sacrifice of blood and treasure in the desert?”

“No more pre-emptive war
without PROOF of a credible threat that is imminent.”

“If you are so gung-ho for it and think it needs to happen then hop your happy ass on a plane and fly on over to show us how to do it.”

“You’ve already stated in another thread that you’re ready to send troops to Venezuela and now you want to start a war with Iran. Where else do you think the US need to expend blood and treasure?”

“There is no proof that a credible and imminent threat of an attack by Iran.”

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Response to oflguy (Reply #37)

Sun May 19, 2019, 11:26 AM

38. Just what of that do you disagree with

You indicated that your position is:
"21. I said nobody wants a war
If attacked, attack back"


I have not said one damn thing indicating any disagreement with that.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #38)

Sun May 19, 2019, 12:09 PM

39. So you agree with everything I have said?

And I NEVER said I'm willing to "send troops" to Venezuela. This is how you people are. You take something like "I think the US should intervene" and turn it into "I think we should send troops."

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Response to oflguy (Reply #39)

Mon May 20, 2019, 10:09 AM

40. What are you saying in this post then?

oflguy
41. “The Veneuzalens are helpless without guns
Three loyalists in the Maduro government promised to revolt in the recent uprising and reneged on that promise.

Without US military intervention, I see nothing but doom and gloom ahead for the Veneuzelan people”

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #40)

Mon May 20, 2019, 11:26 AM

43. There are many ways to help the Veneuzlans with our military

other than having our troops "shed blood" there.

We can fly food and medical supplies to their border and make sure the people get it. Some air cover can help.

As long as Maduro clings to power, Venezuelans are going to continue to starve to death and suffer under the hands of his armed motorcycle militia. People are dying from a lack of medical care, and there is not a damn thing the people can do about it as guns were seized years ago.


If Castro and Putin think they can stop us, let them try. If they want to go to war in order to starve Venezuelans, so be it.

If you are so cold-hearted that you would stand by and watch the Venezuelans starve and die from a lack of medical care, then I say fuck you. I think you would do it.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #43)

Mon May 20, 2019, 11:34 AM

44. You talk about them being

"helpless without guns" and then reference US military intervention and expect me to believe you are saying the military should be used for humanitarian relief??

Laughable.

Nowhere did I say we shouldn't help them I just said it isn't our military fight and they have to be willing to do whatever it takes themselves.

You again make shit up and pretend I said it.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #44)

Mon May 20, 2019, 11:41 AM

45. You can laugh all you want to you cold-hearted asshole

Meanwhile human beings are dying

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Response to oflguy (Reply #45)

Mon May 20, 2019, 12:18 PM

46. I am well aware of what's going on and believe we should do what we can do

short of sending in our troops at this time.

Keep calling me names all you want
You are a liar with no credibility.
https://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=33790
https://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=1993858

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #46)

Mon May 20, 2019, 12:29 PM

47. You say you managed people? I pity them having to work for a cold hearted

piece of humanity like you

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Response to oflguy (Reply #47)

Mon May 20, 2019, 12:43 PM

48. Thousands of people over my career

I pity people like you that have to lie and make things up because they can't defend their positions and can't remember what they actually said.

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Response to oflguy (Original post)

Mon May 20, 2019, 10:16 AM

41. Is it the same people that sold us the Iraq war and the Syria gas attack?

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #41)

Mon May 20, 2019, 10:34 AM

42. Is what the same people?

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