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Mon May 13, 2019, 09:55 AM

California May Go Dark This Summer, and Most Aren't Ready

• PG&E plans to cut power on windy days to avoid sparking fires
• ‘I’m worried,’ governor says, fearing week-long blackouts

By Mark Chediak and Brian Eckhouse
May 12, 2019, 7:00 AM EDT Updated on May 13, 2019, 5:00 AM EDT

A plan by California’s biggest utility to cut power on high-wind days during the onrushing wildfire season could plunge millions of residents into darkness. And the vast majority isn’t ready.

The plan by PG&E Corp. comes after the bankrupt utility said a transmission line that snapped in windy weather probably started last year’s Camp Fire, the deadliest in state history. While the plan may end one problem, it creates another as Californians seek ways to deal with what some fear could be days and days of blackouts.

Some residents are turning to other power sources, a boon for home battery systems marketed by Sunrun Inc., Tesla Inc. and Vivint Solar Inc. But the numbers of those systems in use are relatively small when compared with PG&E’s 5.4 million customers. Meanwhile, Governor Gavin Newsom said he’s budgeting $75 million to help communities deal with the threat.

"I’m worried," Newsom said Thursday during a budget briefing in Sacramento. "We’re all worried about it for the elderly. We’re worried about it because we could see people’s power shut off not for a day or two but potentially a week."

Six of the 10 most destructive wildfires in California history have come in the last 18 months, killing 123 people, and often shutting down large sections of the state’s electrical grid.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-12/california-may-go-dark-this-summer-and-most-aren-t-ready

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RCW2014 May 13 OP
Gunslinger201 May 13 #1
RCW2014 May 13 #2
Currentsitguy May 13 #6
His Daughter May 13 #11
Currentsitguy May 13 #14
His Daughter May 13 #15
Currentsitguy May 13 #16
oldenuff35 May 13 #17
Currentsitguy May 13 #3
Muddling Through May 13 #4
Badsamm May 13 #5
His Daughter May 13 #10
oflguy May 13 #7
rahtruelies May 13 #8
Squeek May 13 #9
His Daughter May 13 #12
oldenuff35 May 13 #18
GoodKraic May 13 #13

Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:02 AM

1. Good training for when they switch to renewables

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:04 AM

2. Will certainly boost interest in solar, wind and home generators. eom

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #2)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:09 AM

6. If I lived there I'd seriously look into one of the Panasonic home fuel cell systems

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #6)

Mon May 13, 2019, 12:39 PM

11. Those are over rated for the price

You also still need to be grid tied.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #11)

Mon May 13, 2019, 02:44 PM

14. Really? I was under the impression there were units that only required natural gas

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #14)

Mon May 13, 2019, 05:46 PM

15. Most places will not allow you to go off grid if hookups are available

On site generation is rare enough that they might allow it as an exception. Its a cool concept, but the current business models do not accommodate it well, including building codes and occupancy rules. I would not try in in suburbia.

I had the solar farm in CA. I still had to have residential service hooked up to the house...

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #15)

Mon May 13, 2019, 06:31 PM

16. The reason I ask

Is that the property we are considering in Wyoming is miles from the nearest electricity but gas is readily available. The idea of running a home on 24 volt appliances is absurd. We tend to stock up and every one of those I have seen looks like almost a toy. The land agent who is splitting the area up into 30-50 acre plots claims electric is coming, but from my reading they have been promising that for 10 years now, so I don't really expect it.

My off-the-grid thoughts are more of a practical nature and not political.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #2)

Mon May 13, 2019, 07:49 PM

17. So, commercial wind and solar are not dependent on transmission lines to get to the customer?

He skipped the line marked "brains" when he was coming into this world.

People who are not used to them will just gas themselves to death with their generators.

City folks are just down right helpless without the rest of the world to keep them running.

Just think,

No lights

No running water

No flushing toilets

No running gas pumps

No working street lights

No working cash registers

Them folks are just plumb screwed

That would be a great visit just to watch all the flatlander/cityslickers crash and burn.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:05 AM

3. PG&E is so full of incompetents we refuse to source them for our clients.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:07 AM

4. Maybe CA should have spent billions on hardening their electrical infrastructure

instead of wasting it on a "high speed train" that goes from nowhere to nowhere.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:09 AM

5. Sounds like a fear campaign to get more taxes

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #5)

Mon May 13, 2019, 12:38 PM

10. Actually it is a campaign tactic to get the state to allow their rate increases

They are cutting payments to their smaller solar suppliers

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 10:30 AM

7. California can flip the switch on their electricity with my utmost blessings

Maybe one day they will tell the environmental wackos to fuck off and return to proper, common sense forest management

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 11:13 AM

8. as cali heads for turd world status

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 11:32 AM

9. There's nothing

quite like being without power to build character!

It inspires creativity. How to cook on a grill, using solar powered garden lights in the house, sponge baths, etc.


It's like camping in your own home

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 12:42 PM

12. This is mostly scare tactics

They desperately need to get a rate increase from the state which is under review. If they get it, they will be able to raise funds needed for the upgrades.

It is also only and issue in wooded area. Desert and urban not so much.

It is also being used to push through some long line permits that are stalled in the approval process.


Bottom line, its mostly posturing.

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Response to His Daughter (Reply #12)

Mon May 13, 2019, 07:53 PM

18. We live in one of those wooded areas where the enviorNazis have set everyone up to get burned out.

Every time we lose a home up here because of wildfire we should be allowed to plant a mountain lion in a random park in the cities.

They don't give one damn because the fires are not a threat to them. Well, let their kids feed the lions for awhile and see if we can change any minds.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon May 13, 2019, 12:49 PM

13. Two words for the Governor of CA

“Controlled Burns”.

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