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Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:17 PM

Power Shut Off to Thousands in California Because of Weather, Wildfire Threat

Updated 9:57 am PDT, Sunday, June 9, 2019

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — About 500 firefighters are battling a wildfire that erupted in Northern California Saturday afternoon and spread quickly across brush-covered hills.

The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection says the fire near the community of Guinda in Yolo County grew overnight to 1,800 acres (2.8 square miles).

Officials say strong winds and temperatures in the 90s fueled the fire. An evacuation order was issued for an unknown number of homes on a rural road.

Windy, dry and hot conditions are expected to continue through Sunday afternoon. Pacific Gas and Electric Co. shut off the power to selected regions to guard against wildfires.

Power was turned off to approximately 1,600 customers in Napa, Solano and Yolo counties and about 43,000 customers in Butte, Yuba, Nevada, El Dorado and Placer counties in the Sierra foothills.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Power-shut-off-to-thousands-in-California-because-13963500.php

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Reply Power Shut Off to Thousands in California Because of Weather, Wildfire Threat (Original post)
RCW2014 Jun 9 OP
batcat Jun 9 #1
Frankenvoter Jun 9 #2
batcat Jun 9 #4
oflguy Jun 10 #24
def_con5 Jun 10 #27
oflguy Jun 10 #28
RCW2014 Jun 9 #5
Muddling Through Jun 9 #7
quad489 Jun 9 #8
fools_gold Jun 9 #9
RCW2014 Jun 9 #10
fools_gold Jun 9 #13
RCW2014 Jun 9 #15
fools_gold Jun 9 #20
RCW2014 Jun 9 #23
fools_gold Jun 10 #26
oflguy Jun 9 #11
RCW2014 Jun 9 #12
fools_gold Jun 9 #14
RCW2014 Jun 9 #16
oflguy Jun 9 #18
RCW2014 Jun 9 #19
oflguy Jun 9 #21
fools_gold Jun 9 #22
oflguy Jun 9 #17
RCW2014 Jun 9 #3
batcat Jun 9 #6
Grumpy Pickle Jun 10 #25

Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:36 PM

1. For some reason I doubt if I will ever move to California. (n/t)

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Response to batcat (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:42 PM

2. I'm pretty sure if someone rubs a balloon against thier head and creates a little static electricity

Which causes a small spark, that's enough to start an infamous "California wildfire".

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:51 PM

4. I live in Florida. ...

We have controlled burns or prescribed fires to reduce the fuel load in the woods. I understand California doesn’t like that approach.

However we have power and it is shut down in some areas in California.

I have a hard time understanding why the people in California don’t boot out the Democrats who are ruining their beautiful state.

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Response to batcat (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:01 AM

24. In California they have no controlled burns, nor any other kind of fire prevention management

The way they reduce the fuel loads is to let major areas burn, including the houses. They are not very smart, but then who ever accused wacko environmentalists of being smart?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:32 AM

27. Not quite true

The federal forest service does "rake" the forest floor. The state not so much. Problem is most of the forests are under state control.

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Response to def_con5 (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:59 AM

28. "under state control"

In other words, under the control of wacko environmentalists.

Raking is not good enough. Fire Breaks have to be cut to prevent the spread of forest fires

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Response to Frankenvoter (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:53 PM

5. What is sad is that the US is not investing in its infrastructure (underground power cables in this

case) to prevent such situations.

Underground electric have so many positives but we have other bullshit expenditures to burden the US taxpayers with.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:36 PM

7. What is sad is that CA decided to waste $6 Billion on a high speed train to nowhere

rather then deal with their own, well recognized, infrastructure deficiencies.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:36 PM

8. Uh, WHO stopped California from placing it's power line underground decades ago???

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:18 PM

9. Underground high voltage transmission lines are problematic

both from technical and cost standpoints.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:20 PM

10. Do tell???

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:24 PM

13. Is that "Do tell?"

a "Do tell?" as you didn't know that and would like more information as to the technical difficulties of underground transmission lines?

Or a "Do tel???" that was just kind of snarky?

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:28 PM

15. Interested in the technical difficulties. Enlightened me on this...

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:54 PM

20. I'll find you a couple good links in the morning.

Right now I'm kinda busy. We just had a tornado touch down about a mile from my house and I have to go help some friends with emergency work on their houses,

But just real quick, here's a quickie from Wiki:

"Underground lines are strictly limited by their thermal capacity, which permits less overload or re-rating than overhead lines. Long underground AC cables have significant capacitance, which may reduce their ability to provide useful power to loads beyond 50 miles (80 kilometres). DC cables are not limited in length by their capacitance, however, they do require HVDC converter stations at both ends of the line to convert from DC to AC before being interconnected with the transmission network."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission#Underground_transmission

I'll try to find something better tomorrow.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:11 PM

23. Sorry to hear of the tornado, hope all is well and prayers going out for those affected.

Good for you helping out!

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:48 AM

26. A few more links

https://psc.wi.gov/Documents/Brochures/Under%20Ground%20Transmission.pdf

https://electrical-engineering-portal.com/download-center/books-and-guides/power-substations/underground-power-transmission-lines

https://www.datcllc.com/learn/underground-transmission/

https://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20170916/putting-power-lines-underground-can-be-complicated-expensive

There are lots more. And these articles deal with "normal" high voltage transmission lines. The new lines being constructed are larger, Very High Voltage transmission lines, and have even more problems with corona effects, inductance and capacitance of nearby soils, insulation, heat dissipation and other electromagnetic field issues. It's just not practical to bury them for any distance. And ratepayers are not willing to pay for it, including municipal power company customers.

Our local press is now calling yesterday's weather event a "suspected tornado". I'm not sure of the distinction to the 73 homeowners whose roofs are completely gone, big trees through their houses, motorhomes overturned and homes collapsed. Amazingly, as of midnight last night, there were no reported injuries. We don't usually have tornadoes in our little section of the Texas Hill Country. I've been here 22 years and this was by far the worst I've seen. The local big box building supply store (kinda like a Home Depot, but local) opened last night to provide plywood, tarps and other materials to folks trying to patch up their homes to protect interiors. That's what I love about my small little town. Everyone was out helping way past midnight.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:04 PM

11. You think the federal government maintains utility company power lines?

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Response to oflguy (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:13 PM

12. Do you think it should be a federal priority to maintain a sound infrastructure or

are you only interested in rebuilding countries we invade and destroy using US taxpayers dollars to please your neocon friends?

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:27 PM

14. The federal government doesn not have the authority or the duty

to design and/or maintain a national electrical infrastructure. I sure as hell wouldn't want them doing it.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:30 PM

16. Not sure that is true in the interest of "national security". nt

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:45 PM

18. Trust me, our national security is MUCH better off with power wires OUT of the hands of the

government, be it federal, state, or local. They are incompetent.

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Response to oflguy (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:53 PM

19. Yes, I'll trust the corporate moneychangers in NYC any day, indeed.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 10:00 PM

21. You know, you are not very smart

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Response to oflguy (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 10:01 PM

22. +1

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:35 PM

17. Sounds like a big yes to me

No, the federal government does NOT maintain utility company power lines, nor should they

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Response to batcat (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:49 PM

3. I had a 7 month Oxy/Love Canal gig out there in the late '80's and it was nice but as expensive as

hell even back then. Thankfully Oxy-Chem reimbursed for everything and the stay rewarding $$$ but not someplace I could ever live.

The unpredictability of earthquakes just wouldn't work for me.

Hurricanes, tornado's, snow/ice storms I can deal with as at least there is some notice of their approach.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:54 PM

6. Earthquakes bother me more than hurricanes, tornadoes or blizzards too. ...

It is hard to prepare for a big earthquake.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:05 AM

25. California needs to spend more money on it's fire prevention plan ( clearing the brush ) than it

does coddling it's illegal immigrants.

Like that will ever happen...

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