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Tue Jul 9, 2019, 09:19 AM

Ross Perot has died.

89 years old. Helluva life.

RIP buddy.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/business/2019/07/09/ross-perot-self-made-billionaire-patriot-philanthropist-dies-89

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Reply Ross Perot has died. (Original post)
rh24 Jul 2019 OP
Solesurvivor Jul 2019 #1
imwithfred Jul 2019 #2
Independent.mind Jul 2019 #3
cologeek Jul 2019 #4
quad489 Jul 2019 #5
Isidore Jul 2019 #6
quad489 Jul 2019 #9
Isidore Jul 2019 #18
quad489 Jul 2019 #20
Independent.mind Jul 2019 #7
quad489 Jul 2019 #11
Independent.mind Jul 2019 #8
quad489 Jul 2019 #10
Independent.mind Jul 2019 #12
quad489 Jul 2019 #13
Independent.mind Jul 2019 #14
Grumpy Pickle Jul 2019 #15
Independent.mind Jul 2019 #16
rh24 Jul 2019 #22
quad489 Jul 2019 #21
Independent.mind Jul 2019 #23
quad489 Jul 2019 #24
Independent.mind Jul 2019 #25
quad489 Jul 2019 #26
SatansSon666 Jul 2019 #17
Bubba Jul 2019 #19

Response to rh24 (Original post)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 09:41 AM

1. Well thanks to him we got WJC and the Hillderbeast

but I guess RIP

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 10:04 AM

2. My sentiments exactly.

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Response to Solesurvivor (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 10:33 AM

3. Like Bush the elder

"read My Lips No New Taxes" was so wonderful.

Let's not forget Bush was responsible for bringing us NAFTA

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 10:53 AM

4. Yep, if Bush 41 hadn't done such a good job pissing off conservatives,

Perot would never have been a factor in the race. He might have gotten John Anderson 1980 levels of votes at best.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 12:24 PM

5. ''Let's not forget Bush was responsible for bringing us NAFTA''...wow, GHWB signed NAFTA into law?!?

Meanwhile, out here in reality world....

"Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994. Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement." NAFTA then replaced the previous Canada-US FTA."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

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Response to quad489 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 12:28 PM

6. You missed this part?

The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. President Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his 1980 presidential campaign. After the signing of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA. Each submitted the agreement for ratification in their respective capitals in December 1992, but NAFTA faced significant opposition in both the United States and Canada. All three countries ratified NAFTA in 1993 after the addition of two side agreements, the North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation (NAALC) and the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

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Response to Isidore (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:02 PM

9. And your ''this part'' changes the FACT that Pres Clinton signed NAFTA into law, how???

How's that Paris Accord agreement going today?

How's that Iran Nuke Deal agreement going today?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 01:21 AM

18. Are you saying that the President is the one ultimately responsible for any legislation they sign?  ( n/t )

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Response to Isidore (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:44 AM

20. Uh, everyone who supports a legislation is responsible for it...up to and including the President...

...do you NOT remember what President Clinton said when he signed NAFTA into law???

"NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."

Since when do we hold accountable all those who passed the laws we must live under???

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Response to quad489 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 12:50 PM

7. Bush was the one that negotiated it and pushed it through

"After the signing of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA. Each submitted the agreement for ratification in their respective capitals in December 1992, but NAFTA faced significant opposition in both the United States and Canada. All three countries ratified NAFTA in 1993 after the addition of two side agreements, the North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation (NAALC) and the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC)."

"Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1990, the leaders of the three nations signed the agreement, (George HW Bush, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney) in their respective capitals on December 17, 1992. The signed agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.


From your own link no less

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:09 PM

11. See post #9............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 12:51 PM

8. I won't wait for you to admit I am right but everyone knows I am.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:08 PM

10. And WHAT would have happened if President Clinton refused to sign NAFTA into law? ''I won't wait for

"I won't wait for you to admit I am right but everyone knows I am."

...you to admit that I am right'' that NAFTA would have died there and/or had to go back thru Congress to try getting signed again by President Clinton, "but everyone knows I am''

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Response to quad489 (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:18 PM

12. Here was my initial statement and it is 100% true

"Let's not forget Bush was responsible for bringing us NAFTA"

Clinton was, and still is, an idiot but he did not negotiate NAFTA that was ALL pappy Bush.

The thread is about Perrot and blaming him for Clinton. I blame BUSH for Clinton. If he wasn't such a screw up he would have been re-elected.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:27 PM

13. Yep, and if Bush had been re-elected and signed NAFTA into law I would be blaming him for that POS..

..agreement that encouraged millions of jobs to leave this country. TPP would have done the same thing AND enabled some foreign governing body to tell the US what it can & can not do...same thing the EU does to the UK.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:29 PM

14. Bush wanted NAFTA

Bush negotiated NAFTA
Bush signed NAFTA

NAFTA is Bush's legacy

TPP is irrelevant because it never got signed or ratified.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:37 PM

15. NAFTA was a disaster for the American people.

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Response to Grumpy Pickle (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 01:39 PM

16. Indeed it was

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:43 AM

22. Agreed. Perot was prescient.

And those in the thread blaming Perot for GHW Bush's loss to Clinton....

The Bushes fuck things up quite nicely all on their own.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 05:49 AM

21. ''TPP is irrelevant because it never got signed or ratified.''...nope, it's very important to...

...remember who in our govt was pushing for that pile of camel crap...cause we see the same morons pushing that green new deal scam. We really need to get those people out of power before they turn this country into the next USSR like police state. You did read the green new deal legislation, right?

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Response to quad489 (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 07:59 AM

23. TPP is irrelevant at this point

the green new deal is ill-conceived and never going to become law either.

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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:20 AM

24. Wowzer...................

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Response to quad489 (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:45 AM

25. I am not going to write a dissertation about the flaws and shortcomings of either the TPP or

green new deal.

I did not vote for any of the individuals that are pushing the green new deal and have not voted for a democratic candidate for president in my voting life.


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Response to Independent.mind (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:59 AM

26. If dems get back in control, TPP and GND will become the law. YOU claiming that either is irrelevant

....is just showing the forum how short-sighted you are...and THAT is why the "Wowzer......" response was given. Both of those scams need buried deep with some lime............

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Response to rh24 (Original post)

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 08:40 PM

17. RIP

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Response to rh24 (Original post)

Wed Jul 10, 2019, 02:04 AM

19. When Perot Ran For President In 1992,

I supported him at first. He was getting a lot of support, probably more than he expected.

He dropped out of the race. In August, IRCC. Then he executed the "October Surprise" and reentered - Announced that he was once again a candidate.

My guess is that he intended all along to get back in the race. Why did he drop out for two months?? Well, maybe because he was actually afraid he might win!

If he had stayed the course from the beginning, I woulda voted for him.

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