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Sat Aug 10, 2019, 08:17 PM

If You Go Home, Take Your Nukes With You! Top German MP Taunts US Threat Of Troop Withdrawal

The US must take its nukes off German soil if it is serious about relocating troops to Poland, a top opposition MP said in a tongue-in-cheek response to a veiled ultimatum from the American envoy.
German lawmakers have reacted to threats made by the US envoy to Berlin, Richard Grenell, saying that Berlin may use the ultimatum as an opportunity to push for the withdrawal of all American assets from Germany.

“The US ambassador is right: US taxpayers should not have to pay for US troops in Germany,” Bartsch said, according to the Hannoversche Allgemeine Zeitung. He also suggested that any potential troop withdrawal should be total and complete. “If the Americans pull out their soldiers, they also have to pull out their nuclear weapons,” he insisted.

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Reply If You Go Home, Take Your Nukes With You! Top German MP Taunts US Threat Of Troop Withdrawal (Original post)
RCW2014 Aug 2019 OP
orson Aug 2019 #1
Tolk Aug 2019 #2
Banshee 3 Actual Aug 2019 #18
Bob the Bilderberger Aug 2019 #3
RCW2014 Aug 2019 #4
imwithfred Aug 2019 #6
Cold Warrior Aug 2019 #9
imwithfred Aug 2019 #11
batcat Aug 2019 #5
Banshee 3 Actual Aug 2019 #19
Currentsitguy Aug 2019 #7
RCW2014 Aug 2019 #8
Currentsitguy Aug 2019 #10
RCW2014 Aug 2019 #12
Badsamm Aug 2019 #14
RCW2014 Aug 2019 #16
Currentsitguy Aug 2019 #24
RCW2014 Aug 2019 #25
Currentsitguy Aug 2019 #26
Banshee 3 Actual Aug 2019 #20
Badsamm Aug 2019 #13
RCW2014 Aug 2019 #15
Badsamm Aug 2019 #17
Banshee 3 Actual Aug 2019 #21
RCW2014 Aug 2019 #23
FreeWheelBurning Aug 2019 #22

Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:10 PM

1. That's my boy

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:14 PM

2. Works for me

 

The Germans started both world wars.
They should be contained rather than empowered.

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Response to Tolk (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:24 AM

18. Started the 2nd one, a Serbian slav started the first dustup by slotting an Austrian

and its still debatable when dustup no2 started

If you're a Pole well 1939

If you're Chinese or Ethiopian or a Spaniard then the early- mid 1930's

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:18 PM

3. The only thing propping up the German economy

are the G.I. paychecks that get spent in country.

Pull out the troops and the Germans would be marching in the streets of Berlin begging them not to go.



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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:26 PM

4. That is absolutely ridiculous but you knew that when you posted it.

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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 10:29 PM

6. ".....The only thing propping up the German economy....."

You're right; it's unfortunate that the socialist threat of homogeneity after the second world war compelled the United States to prop up our former enemy rather than carrying out the Morgenthau plan, which would've eliminated Germany as a risk to world peace and order for a very long time.

The money we spent there on defense propped up and expanded their economy, and as it was money they didn't have to allocate from their own resources, they had more than enough left over for generous social services. They got, for example, free medical care at the expense of Americans here who didn't.

And they imagined themselves virtuously superior to us, they not being like the "warlike" Americans spending tons of money for arms and ammunition. They didn't have to, because we were taking care of their defense.

Given that the socialist threat to world peace and order appears greatly reduced now, I think it's past time we yanked our assets--people, material, money--out of there, and see how the Germans fare without us.

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Response to imwithfred (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:57 PM

9. ...free medical care at the expense of Americans here who didn't...

Are you suggesting that, should we withdraw from Germany we should spend the savings on providing free (your word) medical care for all. What a socialist kind of idea!

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Response to Bob the Bilderberger (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:31 AM

11. Yes, think of all we could've had, if we hadn't had to keep the German economy afloat,

our defense and foreign aid spending there enabling them to have all sorts of social programs they wouldn't have otherwise been able to afford.

If not lower taxes because of less defense spending, we could've had infrastructure maintenance, more medical care for our own people, cheaper education for our own people, and so on and so on and so on.

And they at the same time thought themselves morally superior to us.....forgetting we were the ones paying for it.

I'm curious to find out how morally superior they are to us, when they themselves have to take responsibility.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 10:12 PM

5. We have fought two world wars with Germany. ...

History can and does often repeat itself.

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Response to batcat (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:28 AM

19. First one was horseshit, no way Mexico was going to invade on German promises

Mexican GHQ staff said it would be impossible to do with every American shooting at them

and the promised German Support and Arms?

this being the Same Germany which was starving due to a blockade is somehow getting a convoy of guns through the royal navy and to mexico after crossing the Atlantic and the US navy wasnt going to intercept and stop it?

fantasy

we jumped into a fight between inbred nephews of queen victoria we had no business in it

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:23 PM

7. Losing two World Wars comes at a cost

One of which is they have little to no say in the presence of troops and weapons on German soil, and the other is we, as victors, get to dictate the cost of said occupation to them.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:53 PM

8. By what authority does that come? You saying Germany isn't a sovereign nation and

has anybody let them know this?

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:18 AM

10. Yes, in May 1945.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:32 AM

12. Citation that the USA still controls (owns) Germany please? nt

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:53 AM

14. What do you think NATO was about? Do you not understand history

And the the truths it tells

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:57 AM

16. Entering into NATO didn't require a nation to surrender its sovereignty now, did it? Turkey is

a fine example of that.

Do tell us more of your "understanding" of history.



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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:50 AM

24. The surrender signed by Admiral Canaris

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:07 AM

25. The occupation of western Germany ended May, 1955 and local civilian control

was fullt established by Treaty.

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:23 PM

26. And yet we are still there.

Whether they like it or not.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:32 AM

20. US Occupation ended in 1955 when the General treaty took effect. from that day on FRG was sovereign

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:52 AM

13. We should plant one under their parliament and leave

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:54 AM

15. You're suggesting the US "nuke" Germany now? Do tell us whom else you wish the US to "nuke".

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Response to RCW2014 (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:23 AM

17. Why not? Are they really our friends? We fought two world wars against them

But I’m sure you will tell me Venezuela is our enemy.

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:33 AM

21. We fought 2 wars against the British, you want to nuke them also?

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Response to Badsamm (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:49 AM

23. So I suppose you support nuking Japan again too? nt

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:12 AM

22. I am on board with that

Leave Germany and reposition in Poland. The Poles actually want us there and they have not forgotten that Russia is a threat to much of Eastern Europe.

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