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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 08:58 PM

US lifts ban on old-style light bulbs

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-49591143?__twitter_impression=true
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The US is scrapping a ban on energy-inefficient light bulbs which was due to come in at the beginning of 2020. The rule would have prohibited the sale of bulbs that do not reach a standard of efficiency, and could have seen an end to incandescent bulbs. Many countries have phased out older bulbs because they waste energy. But the US energy department said banning incandescent bulbs would be bad for consumers because of the higher cost of more efficient bulbs. The Department of Energy said it had withdrawn the ban because it was a misinterpretation of the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act. Specifically, the law stipulated that restrictions on bulbs could only be implemented when it was economically justified , Shaylyn Hynes, a spokeswoman for the Department of Energy, told the New York Times. Activists say the government has come under pressure from manufacturers. " It makes zero sense to eliminate energy-saving light bulb standards that will save households money on electricity bills and cut climate change emissions," Appliance Standards Awareness Project executive director Andrew deLaski told the Washington Post. "Instead, the Trump administration is siding with manufacturers that want to keep selling outdated, energy-wasting light bulbs."
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Reply US lifts ban on old-style light bulbs (Original post)
Da Mannn Sep 7 OP
quad489 Sep 7 #1
Rebeca42 Sep 7 #2
Independent.mind Sep 9 #26
foia Sep 7 #3
Squeek Sep 7 #4
Da Mannn Sep 7 #5
Squeek Sep 8 #7
Da Mannn Sep 8 #10
Squeek Sep 8 #13
DillyDilly500 Sep 9 #34
LexTalionis Sep 10 #36
Currentsitguy Sep 8 #11
Squeek Sep 8 #14
Currentsitguy Sep 8 #17
Squeek Sep 9 #19
Currentsitguy Sep 9 #22
Independent.mind Sep 9 #28
Dumper Sep 8 #6
Squeek Sep 8 #8
Currentsitguy Sep 8 #12
oflguy Sep 8 #9
Squeek Sep 8 #15
Da Mannn Sep 8 #16
Squeek Sep 9 #20
Currentsitguy Sep 9 #23
Squeek Sep 9 #24
Currentsitguy Sep 9 #25
Squeek Sep 9 #27
Currentsitguy Sep 9 #29
Hades Sep 9 #30
Squeek Sep 9 #33
Hades Sep 10 #35
Squeek Sep 10 #38
def_con5 Sep 10 #37
drunk_teddy Sep 8 #18
Crazy D Sep 9 #32
Steelydamned Sep 9 #21
Valishin Sep 9 #31

Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:06 PM

1. As with Obamacare, no one should be mandated to buy a product they don't want...................

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:39 PM

2. Great news!

Using the "climate change" hoax to force the US population to purchase something they do not want is just plain wrong.

The Obama administration, in their quest to turn this country over to a New World Order, has suffered yet another defeat.

#MAGA !!!!!

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Response to Rebeca42 (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 12:34 PM

26. Except the ban was passed under the Bush administration

"The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 (Pub.L. 110-140 originally named the Clean Energy Act of 2007) is an Act of Congress concerning the energy policy of the United States. As part of the Democratic Party's 100-Hour Plan during the 110th Congress, it was introduced in the United States House of Representatives by Representative Nick Rahall of West Virginia, along with 198 cosponsors. Despite Rahall becoming 1 of only 4 Democrats to oppose the final bill, it passed in the House without amendment in January 2007. When the Act was introduced in the Senate in June 2007, it was combined with Senate Bill S. 1419: Renewable Fuels, Consumer Protection, and Energy Efficiency Act of 2007. This amended version passed the Senate on June 21, 2007. After further amendments and negotiation between the House and Senate, a revised bill passed both houses on December 18, 2007 and President Bush, a Republican, signed it into law on December 19, 2007, in response to his "Twenty in Ten" challenge to reduce gasoline consumption by 20% in 10 years."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Independence_and_Security_Act_of_2007

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:44 PM

3. Americans using incandescent bulbs spells doom for humanity

Meanwhile China puts out twice the supposed greenhouse emissions that the US does and the Democrats don't say a word about it.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:30 PM

4. sigh....

the "higher cost of more energy efficient bulbs"


yeah, they cost more upfront, but in the long run they save money


don't have to change them as often, and lower electricity bills.


but whatever...people can waste their money however they want.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:38 PM

5. Yep. Freedom is like that.

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:35 AM

7. True....

no matter how stupid the "freedom" is.


Incandescent light bulbs!!! #MAGA!!!!

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Response to Squeek (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:12 PM

10. No, it is: "Freedom to chose, MAGA!"

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 04:34 PM

13. So I've been wondering

all this time...

Why do tRumpies hate America?

Always talking about making it "great" again.

Like it hasn't been great in a long time.

When will it ever be "great" enough for righties?

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Response to Squeek (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 10:01 PM

34. Ping.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 10, 2019, 11:40 AM

36. It's my understanding, according to the left.

That America is just a place for Evil white people to exploit women, minorities,.rape the environment and wage war on the world.
Do you fly the flag on the fourth of July?
Stand and place your hand over your heart and say the pledge of alligence?
Sing the National Anthem?
Acknowledge, no matter who is president, that this is the greatest country in the world?
Believe in the Constitution?

I'm not a righty. Didn't vote for Trump. Yet believe and do all those things above.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:22 PM

11. Our home is 100% LED

That being said, it's wrong to force anyone to buy a product. We have the freedom to be dumb.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 04:36 PM

14. LED

in my home too.

Especially the automatic yard and driveway lights.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:04 PM

17. Aside from the light quality

I like the fact they last for years

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 07:59 AM

19. Exactly....

it's a good thing when you can't remember the last time you changed a light bulb


Also, I like that they come in different colors. I have a garden bench/trellis out by my big pond that's covered in little blue LED lights....solar powered, and solar powered LEDs along the driveway and along a part of chain link fence in the dog's yard.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 11:29 AM

22. The funny thing is

When our home burned we salvaged all of the bulbs we could and brought them to the home our insurance rented for us during the rebuild. When we came back, we brought them back with us. That was 6 years ago. They're still in use here. I got those back when they were like 50 or 60 bucks apiece.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 02:59 PM

28. Banning a product and forcing people to an alternative has a long history

There used to be a lot of products on the market that contained lead, asbestos, cocaine etc. that are no longer available due to government intervention.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 10:19 AM

6. For what it's worth, I've lived in places where bulbs were the only source of heat

in bathrooms.

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Response to Dumper (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:37 AM

8. Never used

regular light bulbs for heat, but ten years ago when I had geese living here, there was a red bulb in their goose house, for heat.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:24 PM

12. I'd like to be able to have one for my well pit.

It would do wonders to keep the pipes from freezing.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:54 AM

9. "save households of money on electricity bills and cut climate change emissions"

If Lefty had not killed nuclear electrical plant construction there would be no "climate change emissions"

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 10:20 PM

15. OK serious question

for righties (or anyone else opposed to the newer light bulbs)

What is the problem with using them? Honestly curious....


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Response to Squeek (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 10:36 PM

16. No problems. Let the free market and free men chose as they will

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Response to Da Mannn (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 08:02 AM

20. That doesn't

answer my question.

Why are regular lightbulbs preferable to the newer ones?

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Response to Squeek (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 11:32 AM

23. I have heard some people say they are sensitive to the 60Hz flicker in the LED's and CFL's

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 12:01 PM

24. Maybe they

are talking about the flicker in the older fluorescent lights?

I'm extremely sensitive to those, and have been for many years.


But have never had a problem with the newer lights.


I've never heard anyone complain about flicker....they only say that they want a "choice" without saying why....and the words are always said with defiance....

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Response to Squeek (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 12:08 PM

25. I'm not either

High speed film of an LED does in fact reveal that they do turn on and off 60 times a second. I think for most of us it is too fast to notice. Persistence of vision takes care of that. It is conceivable, however, that some may notice.

Have you ever been to Europe? I was there a few times back in the 90's. Their electric current, aside from being 220v, runs at 50Hz, rather than our 60. I know it was noticeable when you looked at a TV. They ran at 25 frames a second, as compared to our 30 at the time. It looked almost jerky to me.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 02:42 PM

27. I never knew

LEDs flickered like that.

Have never been to Europe.

Was TV jerky like the old old movies from the 1920s here in the US?

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Response to Squeek (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 04:43 PM

29. No. It was almost imperceptible.

It just looked "off", for lack of a better term. We're only taking about a difference of 5 frames in a second.

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Response to Squeek (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 05:02 PM

30. I love the LEDs...

...but my 75 year old mother is obsessed with the 150 watt bulbs. When she thought they were going to stop selling them, she stocked up on them. She won’t change to LEDs. She has to have those goddamn 150 watt bulbs.

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Response to Hades (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:53 PM

33. But does she

say why she loves them so much?

That's what I can't figure out.

When they were still selling them, I would often buy the pink incandescent bulbs because the regular kind had a rather ugly yellow cast to them

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Response to Squeek (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 10, 2019, 11:08 AM

35. She likes the brightness.

When I visit her, she has her place lit up. My home has the soft light LEDs; I find them soothing.

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Response to Hades (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 10, 2019, 01:10 PM

38. The newer bulbs

can be just as bright, and for less overall cost.

Granted, when you first turn them on, they are a little dim, but after a few minutes they brighten right up.


My favorite lights are in the bedroom....there are two table lamps in there with the new bulbs in them....the lamps themselves are like cast iron and the lampshades are that orange-y stuff. Mica? I forget what it's called

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Response to Squeek (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 10, 2019, 11:52 AM

37. They don't work in certain fixtures

Dimmers mostly, and our chandler over the dinning table. The bulbs kept flickering till I replaced em with incandescents. LEDs everywhere else.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:23 PM

18. How many democrats does it take to change a lightbulb? N/T

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Response to drunk_teddy (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:35 PM

32. None, they blame the burned out bulb on Trump, Republicans and racist white men

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 09:51 AM

21. I have LED...

for outside and one or two in the house but, I don't like the LED lights for my living room or bedroom as I just don't find the quality of light conducive for reading. Just my preference. I like the warm yellow glow of the incandescent lights for reading.

On Edit: If you live in an old house like mine, the LED bulbs do not necessarily have the longer life that is advertised. I've read old wiring and the like can affect the bulb life and I've found this to be true as I've had to replace several of the LED Long Life bulbs. Considering the cost, it's just easier to replace with the cheaper alternative.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 05:19 PM

31. How does this

Prevent people who want efficiency from buying the other bulbs?

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