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Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:25 AM

Trump Taxes

Trump Taxes: President Ordered to Turn Over Returns to Manhattan D.A.

A federal judge on Monday rejected a bold argument from President Trump that sitting presidents are immune from criminal investigations, a ruling that allowed the Manhattan district attorney’s office to move forward with a subpoena seeking eight years of the president’s personal and corporate tax returns.

https://politicalwire.com/2019/10/07/trump-ordered-to-turn-over-8-years-of-tax-returns/

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Reply Trump Taxes (Original post)
uncledad Oct 7 OP
quad489 Oct 7 #1
uncledad Oct 7 #4
quad489 Oct 7 #5
uncledad Oct 7 #6
quad489 Oct 7 #7
uncledad Oct 7 #8
quad489 Oct 7 #9
DavesNotHere Oct 7 #18
quad489 Oct 7 #23
Currentsitguy Oct 7 #2
uncledad Oct 7 #25
Currentsitguy Oct 7 #30
Bob the Bilderberger Oct 7 #3
Steelydamned Oct 7 #10
Benevolus Oct 7 #13
Steelydamned Oct 7 #14
Benevolus Oct 7 #15
Steelydamned Oct 7 #16
Benevolus Oct 7 #17
Steelydamned Oct 7 #19
Benevolus Oct 7 #20
Steelydamned Oct 7 #21
uncledad Oct 7 #26
Steelydamned Oct 7 #29
Duke Lacrosse Oct 7 #11
uncledad Oct 7 #27
Duke Lacrosse Tuesday #31
uncledad Tuesday #32
Charlie Mike Oct 7 #12
batcat Oct 7 #22
uncledad Oct 7 #28
Steelydamned Oct 7 #24

Response to uncledad (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:28 AM

1. So you don't trust the IRS to properly make sure Trump paid all the taxes he owed, eh???

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Response to quad489 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:42 AM

4. Marrero, an appointee of President Bill Clinton in 1999...

In dismissing Trump's countersuit, US District Court Judge Victor Marrero wrote in his ruling that the president's argument makes an "extraordinary" reach and is "repugnant to the nation's governmental structure and constitutional values."

Marrero wrote that Trump's argument implies "the constitutional dimensions of the presidential shield from judicial process are virtually limitless."

Until the president leaves office, "his exemption from criminal proceedings would extend not only to matters arising from the performance of the President's duties and functions in his official capacity, but also to ones arising from his private affairs, financial transactions, and all other conduct undertaken by him as an ordinary citizen both during and before his tenure in office," the ruling said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/judge-orders-trump-turn-over-8-years-tax-returns-prosecutors-2019-10

Trump's lawyers have said they will appeal Marrero's decision.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:49 AM

5. So your answer is YES, got it.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:57 AM

6. New York ... state prosecutors ... not the IRS

A federal judge ordered President Donald Trump to turn over eight years of his tax returns to New York state prosecutors.

The Manhattan district attorney's subpoena

was part of a broader investigation into whether

the Trump Organization and Trump broke New York state laws

when reimbursing Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen,

for hush-money payments made to women who alleged affairs with Trump.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:02 AM

7. Uh, NY state dept of taxation etc already has all those tax returns..............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:05 AM

8. more

The decision came after the Manhattan district attorney's office

subpoenaed Trump's accounting firm, Mazars USA,

for his personal and corporate taxes going back to 2011.

Trump's legal team

in turn sought to block the subpoena

by arguing that a sitting president is immune from criminal investigation.

The Justice Department joined Trump's team in trying to delay the subpoena.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:16 AM

9. Again, ''NY state dept of taxation etc already has all those tax returns.....''.............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:43 PM

18. I think this is about allowing the DA to see those returns.

The NY department of revenue should have them, but I don’t think the DA is allowed to see them by default... unless the Revenue department wants to prosecute, which for 8 years, they haven’t.

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Response to DavesNotHere (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 03:35 PM

23. ''which for 8 years, they havent''...........yep, not an issue until now for some reason...

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:32 AM

2. This is something I have never cared about for any candidate.

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Response to Currentsitguy (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:35 PM

25. Not about candidate reveals.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:48 PM

30. My interest and/or support begins and ends with whether or not I agree with their policies.

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 10:35 AM

3. Because a DA can evaluate whether the IRS did its job

or not.

Right.

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:43 AM

10. What does everyone.....

...think will be in Trump's taxes that will be some sort of "gotcha" revelation? If there were improprieties within, wouldn't the IRS have caught them years ago?

Are some under the impression that there will be a listing under "Secret Payoffs" hidden somewhere in there?

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:59 PM

13. What's your point?

Law enforcement should have no access to tax returns and just assume there is nothing to be found there?

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Response to Benevolus (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:01 PM

14. What's my point?

Well it certainly had nothing to do with the words you attempted to cram in my mouth.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:06 PM

15. Well that's why there is a question mark after it.

I posited my best guess. If that's not it, lay it out.
Is there some boundary at which prosecutors should no longer have the right to examine tax returns?

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Response to Benevolus (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:13 PM

16. My "point"....

...is this is a fishing expedition from which nothing very damning is likely to be gleaned. And in doing so, they will have erected a precedent for future use..which is bad for everyone.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:40 PM

17. Perhaps they should try a better argument than

" any occupant of the White House enjoys "absolute immunity from criminal process of any kind,"".

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Response to Benevolus (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 01:52 PM

19. Who's "they?"

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 02:09 PM

20. Trump's lawyers.

Jay Sekulow maybe?

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Response to Benevolus (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 02:11 PM

21. No idea.....

....I don't keep track of who's representing whom though, if it's Trumps lawyers, why is that surprising?

They're not going to argue to just hand them over.

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Response to Steelydamned (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:36 PM

26. NY State is interested.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:48 PM

29. Yes...

...but why?

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:37 PM

11. Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the order has been stayed pending appeal.

No big surprise. Not even a little one.

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President Trump Doesn't Need To Release His Tax Returns — For Now

October 7, 201910:10 AM ET
Tanya Ballard Brown

On Monday, a judge rejected President Trump's challenge to the release of his tax returns for a New York state criminal probe.

Updated at 10:59 a.m. ET

A federal appeals court has granted President Trump a temporary stay of decision, and he will not have to turn over his tax returns to the Manhattan district attorney.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/07/767830713/federal-judge-rules-trump-must-hand-over-8-years-of-tax-returns

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:40 PM

27. The appeal was included in the link.

And in reply # 1.

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Response to uncledad (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:55 AM

31. Neither the link in the OP nor reply #1 mention the decision being STAYED.

That's why I posted NPR's updated version which does mention the stay.

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Response to Duke Lacrosse (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 12:16 PM

32. Got it, my bad.

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 12:53 PM

12. Sounds like lefty trying to use the power of the state against a political rival.

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 02:30 PM

22. I predict his taxes will be another big nothing burger. ...

He will just sucker the Dems and the liberal media into making a big deal out of them and looking foolish once again when nothing big is found.

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Response to batcat (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 04:41 PM

28. Very possible.

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Response to uncledad (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 03:50 PM

24. What is the rationale...

...behind the need to see them?

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