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Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:50 PM

Are the Mexican Drug Cartels sending the Mormons a message?

When the news of the massacre was announced I remembered the linked
video. In re-watching, I can't help but ask, "How do these Mormon enclaves
support themselves?" There is something more to the present day killings...
just a hunch but.... If you watch the video pay attention to the lavishness of
the compounds of both the LeBarons and Romneys.

One woman was, as I understand it, going to pick up her husband who was
in AZ. He was "working" in AZ. Why would she take her children? Didn't he
have a car? Were the children a cover (horrors)? I'm not buying mistaken
identity. In the video the chest thumping by one of the LeBarons is palpable
when listening to his Mormon driven allegiance to family and yet three women
set out alone in a proclaimed dangerous area? Doesn't make sense.

Now I'm going to look for another video I remember about American drug
smuggling competition with the cartels in Mexico. Frontline?



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Reply Are the Mexican Drug Cartels sending the Mormons a message? (Original post)
Fireant16 Nov 6 OP
Gunslinger201 Nov 6 #1
Fireant16 Nov 6 #2
Gunslinger201 Nov 6 #5
oldenuff35 Nov 6 #3
Steelydamned Nov 6 #4
Fireant16 Nov 6 #6
Salaam Nov 6 #7
JaimeBondoJr Nov 6 #8
Lumster Nov 6 #9
Fireant16 Nov 6 #10
joefriday6 Nov 7 #11
Fireant16 Nov 7 #12

Response to Fireant16 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:17 PM

1. You might be on to something however

I’ve seen the Cartels Kill families before

Kids aren’t going to be safe

A 15-year-old’s birthday party took a nightmarish turn in southern Mexico. The party became the scene of a ghastly massacre and 11 people were fatally shot. The shooting took place on Friday at a coming-of-age celebration (quinceanera) in the Mexican state of Guerrero, not far from Michoacan, where drug-related crimes, including homicides, are a regular occurrence

https://www.thequint.com/news/world/shooting-at-teenagers-birthday-party-in-mexico-kills-11

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:51 PM

2. I agree. Too many of these stories.

I think the women and children in the most recent slaughter were
targeted and for a reason. Were the Mormons whistleblowing? Or,
were they a part of the illegal drug smuggling themselves? Maybe time
will reveal an answer.

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Response to Fireant16 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 05:30 PM

5. Good Video though

Thank you

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Response to Fireant16 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:08 PM

3. I'm not buying into this at all. These people did nothing. They just got in the way of something.

My family, son, and extended family, (at least 10), are married into the Hispanic culture with first (born here) generation American citizens. They still have a lot of family south of the border and every year some of them are headed south to bury an innocent someone in their families who got caught in the middle or were just killed for sport. (If they are cartel or criminals not many will show up to plant their butts).

I'm talking about kids, youths, and old folks, true innocents.

When we are in Mexico we drive all over the place. We are careful but do not expect to be murdered. Yes we know the possibility exists and avoid any known hot spots, but people, us and others who live there, still have to live their lives and that includes traveling by car.

It is not unusual for US citizens or dual citizens to live on one side of the border and cross back and forth. It is not at all unusual for dual citizens to live on one side of the border and have work and business interests on the other side. It is perfectly legal and accepted along the border. There is nothing in this that demands or indicates suspicion.

The reality of Mexico.

That they know of, there were just over 33,000 homicides in Mexico last year.

It is not hard to screw up and get killed in Mexico. Trouble is not hard to find if you are not minding your own business especially for light skinned people.

It is not usual but defiantly not unheard of to just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get killed in Mexico. This happens every day down there someplace but not all over the place all the time.

Today's reality in our country.

You took some sideways shots and the LDS religion and the variants of that religion.

I am not LDS nor in a hand holding place with them either.

It would actually be hard to pass a national law today that outlaws polygamy or polyamory.

The LGBT+ community, Muslims, and the far left would never allow that to happen in this day and age.


So, trying to find a reason to blame the victims in this horrific incident is just not going to fly. I really don't think they were doing anything wrong, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and someone thought they had something to prove.

There is an individual in custody for this crime and so far I have seen nothing that links him to the cartels.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:18 PM

4. Yep, I agree with this.

I worked in Ciudad Del Carmen off and on from 2004 to 2009. I drove regularly to the Pemex base in Dos Bocas and Merida as well as all points in between. In 2009, I emerged from the house the company rented two blocks from the beach to a bunch of cops blocking off the street because there was a decapitated human head sitting in the middle of it.

When sitting in traffic, I would often purchase whatever the street kids were selling just to be nice. Often is was a copy of Los Muertos or "The Dead" which is a garish local newspaper detailing all of the recent killings in the area, replete with lots of photos

I'm convinced most of the murders never made it to American publications or, the national murder total.

I quit going down there in 2010 for work but I've been to Cozumel since then.

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Response to oldenuff35 (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 06:44 PM

6. Please, I am not blaming the victims. You may well be right...they were

just in the wrong place at the wrong time....and, to quote you, "....and someone thought
they had something to prove." Who? What? There are so many questions.

I don't think President Obrador would ever say, even if true, the cartels were involved.
He'd be signing his own death warrant.

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Response to Fireant16 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:36 PM

7. these are violent lunatics.

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Response to Fireant16 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 07:44 PM

8. I'm more likely to believe the Mormons went to local govt and asked that the cartels be curtailed.

And this was the local govt's response.

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Response to Fireant16 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:49 PM

9. Excellent OP post. Thank you.

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Response to Lumster (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 09:01 PM

10. Thank you.

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Response to Fireant16 (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:21 AM

11. One of the best presentations I have ever seen. Thank you.

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Response to joefriday6 (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 12:37 PM

12. Thank you.

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