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Fri Aug 22, 2014, 11:57 PM

Anti-Arab sentiment on the rise in Turkey

Ahmet, a local shopkeeper from Gaziantep, told Al-Monitor, “They are called ‘guests.’ OK, but for how long? We shared our food, clothing with them, and the government gave them priority in everything. When I go to the hospital, I have to wait in line and pay. They get it all free. They get assistance from the government. What do we receive in return? We pay higher prices on all goods. Theft is on the rise, and worse of all is the sexual harassment of our women. They cannot go out onto the street because they fear the Syrian thugs. We have had several cases of rape.”

Other locals appeared to agree with Ahmet. In their eyes, their Syrian “guests” live a government-subsidized life in Turkey, while citizens are made to pay the price. Ahmet’s neighbor Cemo, a butcher, told Al-Monitor, “Look around, sister. What do you see? All these signs in Arabic, and the government is paying them 1,000 liras per month. They say they are escaping the war in their country. Well, too bad. We stayed in our county during our war and fought.”

After assorted clashes between Syrian refugees and the locals and some unfortunate murders, Gaziantep's mayor decided to relocate hundreds of Syrian families from the city. On Aug. 20, Syrian business owners who had put up signs in Arabic were warned by the municipality to obey Turkish display rules.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/08/turkey-syria-anti-arab-sentiment-tremblay.html#ixzz3BBbcabCP

U.S border, Turkey's border, same sentiment.
This is a real hard thing. Refugees sit idle and idleness breeds trouble.
I am going to agree with Ahmet on this, they should stay and fight for their own country.
Sounds harsh on one hand but OTOH how is a country to defend itself if the citizens run away rather than defend it? It's what I would do if was was on my country's soil.
When a country has defended itself and built it up, why should others be allowed to come in and take what that country has fought for and built?

The story goes on to say that the Turkish don't like anybody, but that's here nor there, it's still their land, their country.

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TIMETOCHANGE Aug 2014 #1
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Response to Thorson (Original post)

Sat Aug 23, 2014, 09:28 AM

1. That's racist.

 

I don't know how it is but I'm waiting for someone on the left to spout it. I mean haven't we heard from the left that we have to do away with all borders. Just have one world government (who decides what government that is, because might makes right no matter what you think) to help people and make everything equal (some people are more equal than others <cough> Feinstein, Pelosi, etc.).

Turks can be an interesting folk. A lot of the population descends from Arabs because of the Islamic scourge that spread out of Arabia and enslaved and conquered the old Byzantine Empire (Istanbul used to Constantinople but that's nobody's business but the Turks). They fought for their country against various invaders throughout history, they were tough fighters in Korea, and they typically reach a good balance with being accepting of various faiths within their country (not always).

So to have Syrians sitting on their duffs not doing a damn thing, is reasonable in outraging citizens. There's always work to be done. So make these refugees became self-sufficient. Provide them with land to farm, build-up and become self-sustaining. Get them out of the cities. Put them in tent cities surrounding and in the farms. Give them security from outside threats but make them earn their keep. And make it clear this is a "temporary" solution and that they will be going back in ten years at the most. Meaning in ten years they get forced out at gun point if they don't leave peacefully.

That'll give them time to immigrate elsewhere. Rejoin their fight in Syria, etc. etc. etc..

Now if you ask me if we should do that with illegal immigrants in this country. I say hell yeah. Pay them to fence off the border than build a five square mile border line inside the U.S. where we have various refugee zones where the inhabitants have to create self-sustaining land for food, water, factories, etc..

We then turn around and take the poor on the dole here and tell them they will be hired (provided with training) as administrators, guards, teachers, builders, welders, doctors, nurses, etc..

We solve the humanitarian crises, we solve the poverty crises, and yes we fence off both sides of the refugee zone.

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Response to TIMETOCHANGE (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 23, 2014, 12:18 PM

3. Islamists don't want to admit that.

Turks can be an interesting folk. A lot of the population descends from Arabs because of the Islamic scourge that spread out of Arabia and enslaved and conquered the old Byzantine Empire (Istanbul used to Constantinople
Islamists don't want to admit that. They begin their history with the crusades so as not to admit that the crusades were an effort to get back what the Islamist invaders took.

Refugees should earn their keep, in fairness to their host country and to keep them from being idle.

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Response to Thorson (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 23, 2014, 12:30 PM

5. The Crusades were a defensive campaign.

 

Most people don't realize that the Crusades were a defensive campaign. The Byzantine Emperor petitioned the pope in Italy for military assistance. Hoping for 800 highly trained and heavily armed nights, he instead got over 60,000 people that rained chaos upon the lands.

The Crusaders were fighting to take back land that had belonged to the Byzantine Empire and the Byzantine Emperor in the first Crusade had been smart enough to negotiate that any land taken back from the Muslim scourge, was to be returned to the Byzantine Empire. The Second Crusade was a cluster fuck. And the Third Crusade was a demonstration in attrition.

The Ottoman Empire was horrific to Christians, they were mixed on Jews, but given how evil and horrible most (sans Switzerland) of Europe was, it's pretty much all the same.

Host countries should take a firm but compassionate hand with refugees. Make them earn their keep, keep them from being a burden on the local populace, but still help the refugees.

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Response to Thorson (Original post)

Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:01 AM

2. False equivalency

 

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Where do Syrian grandmothers, children and invalids go? Straight to the front lines? Every country in Nazi europe had exiles in the UK. Your presumptions are stupid, that's as generous as I get.

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Response to TexMex (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 23, 2014, 12:20 PM

4. point taken but

the strong young man with the backpack doesn't look like a grandmother or child.

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