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Wed May 20, 2020, 09:42 AM

Michigan embraces massive fraud. Trump threatens to withhold Michigan funding over mail-in voting

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/498689-trump-threatens-to-withhold-michigan-funding-over-mail-in-voting
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President Trump on Wednesday threatened to withhold federal funding to Michigan after the state's Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D) announced all of the state’s registered voters would receive applications for absentee ballots in the mail this year.

Trump charged that the step was done “illegally” and threatened to withhold funding if the state did not reverse course, suggesting the move would encourage voter fraud.

“Breaking: Michigan sends absentee ballots to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election,” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. “This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!”

Trump later copied Acting Office of Management and Budget Director Russ Vought, White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and the Treasury Department on the tweet.

Trump has frequently voiced his opposition to expansions in mail-in voting, leveling unsubstantiated and exaggerated claims that mail-in ballots are riddled with fraud and “corrupt.”

While voting experts say there are higher levels of voter fraud in mail-in voting than in-person voting, they agree that overall cases of voter fraud are rare.

“Republicans should fight very hard when it comes to statewide mail-in voting. Democrats are clamoring for it,” Trump tweeted last month. “Tremendous potential for voter fraud, and for whatever reason, doesn’t work out well for Republicans.”

Democrats have supported mail-in voting during the coronavirus pandemic as a way to ensure that voters can vote safely in the 2020 elections without risking exposure to the virus.

The $2 trillion bipartisan relief package that Trump signed into law in late March provides $400 million for states to prepare for upcoming primaries and the November general election during the coronavirus outbreak.

Benson said in a statement Tuesday that sending mail-in applications to Michigan’s 7.7 million registered voters would ensure their safety.

“By mailing applications, we have ensured that no Michigander has to choose between their health and their right to vote,” Benson said. “Voting by mail is easy, convenient, safe, and secure, and every voter in Michigan has the right to do it.”

Trump’s tweet comes just a day before the president’s scheduled trip to a Ford manufacturing plant in Ypsilanti, Mich., to highlight the company’s work producing ventilators to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.
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Mail in voting = fraud. Just a fact, Jack.

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Reply Michigan embraces massive fraud. Trump threatens to withhold Michigan funding over mail-in voting (Original post)
Da Mannn May 20 OP
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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Wed May 20, 2020, 12:12 PM

1. Trump just said the corrupt part out loud

trump is proving Chairman Adam Schiff was right about trump. trump is trying to pull the same stunt that he got impeached for https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/20/trump-just-said-corrupt-part-out-loud/

Trump is referring to the Michigan secretary of state’s announcement that applications for absentee ballots will be mailed to 7.7 million residents. That’s to ensure that Michiganders can vote safely amid a pandemic that has brought more than 50,000 cases of coronavirus to the state and killed more than 5,000 people.

Trump’s new threat is not a precise parallel to Karlan’s scenario. But Trump is threatening to somehow withdraw federal aid unless Michigan drops vote-by-mail, a naked effort to extort Michigan into doing something that could help him politically. (Trump rage-tweeted a similar threat at Nevada.)

That last point is crucial. It has been widely reported that Trump’s advisers fear he’s losing Michigan, which he probably needs again, especially with Arizona at risk.

We also know Trump fears vote-by-mail can hurt his chances. Trump explicitly admitted that with such

Democratic voting rights measures, “you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”
And so, in lodging this threat, Trump is saying the corrupt part out loud — with a bullhorn.

There have long been grounds for asking whether Trump has corrupted the process of doling out aid to states. A Post investigation found big disparities in how states are treated, which has left some officials “wondering whether politics is playing a role in the response.”

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #1)

Thu May 21, 2020, 08:08 AM

10. Schiff is a proven liar.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Wed May 20, 2020, 12:15 PM

2. What Trump threatened is illegal

trump is proving that Chairman Adam Schiff was correct about trump. trump is corrupt and it is clear that trump is breaking the law. The courts have kicked trump's sad butt a number of times on the sanctuary city issue and this stunt is just as illegal https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/20/trump-just-said-corrupt-part-out-loud/

As a threshold matter, what Trump is threatening is illegal, according to Stephen Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas at Austin.

“The federal government does not have the power to withhold funding from states because the president disagrees with something the states are doing,” Vladeck told me. “There’s no legal mechanism by which he can do that.”

Theoretically, Trump might try to do this. Under the Cares Act, which recently passed Congress, states get allotted coronavirus aid money from the Treasury Department, and then subsequently certify that they used it all on coronavirus-related purposes, a spokesperson for the House Appropriations Committee tells me.

So Trump could try to instruct the Treasury Department not to dole out that money. Note that Trump actually cc’d the Treasury Department in his tweet-threat, an act that becomes a lot more disgusting when you understand that this is how the mechanism actually does work.

Secondarily, the premise of Trump’s threat is based on lies. Michigan didn’t send out “absentee ballots.” It sent out applications for absentee ballots. “A state can decide for itself how to allow its residents to apply to vote absentee,” Vladeck points out. And the specter of voter fraud that Trump floated is itself fiction.

For all these reasons, Vladeck says, if Trump actually tried to realize the threat, it would be illegal and would be “struck down” in court.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #2)

Wed May 20, 2020, 12:20 PM

3. Photo of spinmeister LMPV...

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Wed May 20, 2020, 12:43 PM

5. LMPV...did you say something bad?

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Wed May 20, 2020, 02:19 PM

6. From Marc Elias

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #6)

Wed May 20, 2020, 02:29 PM

9. wow, a blue checkmark has an opinion. yada yada.

thanks for playing.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Wed May 20, 2020, 02:25 PM

7. Statement from Biden War Room




The president’s decision to withhold federal funding from Michiganders and Nevadans as a punishment for their state governments being proactive in ensuring all of their citizens will have the ability to vote safely in November is an alarming development in Donald Trump’s already-destructive rhetoric.

He is, once again, engaging in a quid pro quo, continuing his criminal activity while claiming the absolute authority to do so, while he bunkers (and votes) in the White House.

His fear of Joe Biden, and the fact that he cannot beat him in a fair fight, now has President Tweety openly announcing he is willing to let US citizens die to prevent them from voting.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #7)

Wed May 20, 2020, 02:28 PM

8. Gov Gretchen deliberately put covid patients in nursing homes. That is MURDER.

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Response to Da Mannn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 10:36 AM

11. Professor Pam Karlan from Stanford Law School literally made this exact thing up as a hypothetical

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