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Thu May 21, 2020, 12:37 PM

U.S. Says Pulling out Of Open Skies Treaty, Citing Russian Violations

The Trump administration began privately informing allied nations this week that the United States will withdraw from a nearly 30-year-old treaty designed to reduce the chances of an accidental war between Russia and the United States by allowing reconnaissance flights over the two countries, according to diplomats familiar with the discussions.

A withdrawal from the Treaty on Open Skies risks driving another wedge between the United States and its allies in Europe, some of whom urged the United States to remain in the pact in recent weeks despite U.S. concerns about Russian compliance.

The treaty emerged out of a proposal that President Dwight D. Eisenhower initially suggested to the Soviets to promote transparency about military surveillance overflights.

The Soviet Union rejected his offer but President George H.W. Bush revived the idea and the multicountry pact was signed after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1992. It came into force in 2002, after the twentieth country ratified the agreement.

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Reply U.S. Says Pulling out Of Open Skies Treaty, Citing Russian Violations (Original post)
RCW2014 May 21 OP
quad489 May 21 #1
fools_gold May 21 #3
quad489 May 21 #4
fools_gold May 21 #6
Troll2 May 21 #5
Da Mannn May 21 #2
Letmypeoplevote May 21 #7
Charlie Mike May 21 #8

Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 12:50 PM

1. Satellite imaging technology negated the need for aircraft flyovers decades ago............

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Response to quad489 (Reply #1)

Thu May 21, 2020, 01:22 PM

3. No, it didn't

There are still very significant advantages to hi-res aerial photography over satellite. Plus the ELINT advantages.

Just one example, pixel resolution at 50,000 ft vs 820,000 ft (approx 250 km.). Do the math.

Trust me, I used to be in this biz.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #3)

Thu May 21, 2020, 01:55 PM

4. ''the ELINT advantages''...is why Russia needs stopped from doing their flyovers of the US since...

...most of our govt agences are still using Win95 & dial-up.

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Response to quad489 (Reply #4)

Thu May 21, 2020, 02:49 PM

6. Oh, I agree with that

Open skies was a PITA from the beginning. I spent way too much time on my ranges shutting stuff down and hiding certain equipment to avoid the stupid overflights. The satellites were bad enough, but at least their orbits were somewhat predictable.

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Response to fools_gold (Reply #3)

Thu May 21, 2020, 02:24 PM

5. Sensors are limited in type and resolution

Sensors

Open Skies aircraft may have video, optical panoramic and framing cameras for daylight photography, infra-red line scanners for a day/night capability, and synthetic aperture radar for a day/night all weather capability. Photographic image quality will permit recognition of major military equipment (e.g., permit a member state to distinguish between a tank and a truck), thus allowing significant transparency of military forces and activities. Sensor categories may be added and capabilities improved by agreement among member states. All sensors used in Open Skies must be commercially available to all signatories. Imagery resolution is limited to 30 centimetres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies#Sensors

The only advantage to having the treaty is that parties other than Russia and the US can use aircraft instead of satellites, which they may not have.

Membership

The 34 state parties to the Open Skies Treaty are: Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark (including Greenland), Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, the Russian Federation, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom. Kyrgyzstan signed the treaty but has not yet ratified it. Canada and Hungary are the Depositories of the treaty in recognition of their special contributions to the Open Skies process. Depository countries maintain treaty documents and provide administrative support.

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 12:56 PM

2. Gee whiz RC. Does that mean Trump ISN'T in Putin's pocket?

are you mad bro because its lonely in that pocket?

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Response to RCW2014 (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 08:07 PM

7. Putin is getting a great return on his investment

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #7)

Thu May 21, 2020, 11:11 PM

8. Explain how the US exiting the treaty is to Russia's advantage.

And just because you repeat your lies doesn't make them true. It just makes you a repeat liar.

No collusion.

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