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Wed Sep 3, 2014, 02:59 PM

Organizers of NY's St. Pat's Day Parade will no longer ban gay groups from marching in annual event

Organizers of New York's St. Patrick's Day Parade said Wednesday they will no longer ban gay groups from marching in the annual event.

The parade committee said that OUT@NBCUniversal, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender support group, would be marching up Manhattan's Fifth Avenue as a group for the parade March 17.

Timothy Cardinal Dolan, the 2015 grand marshal, offered parade organizers "confidence and support."

"My predecessors and I have always left decisions on who would march to the organizers of the individual parades," the statement reads. "As I do each year, I look forward to celebrating Mass in honor of Saint Patrick, the Patron Saint of Ireland, and the Patron Saint of this Archdiocese, to begin the feast, and pray that the parade would continue to be a source of unity for all of us."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/03/gay-nyc-st-patricks-day-parade/15008635/?sf30619462=1

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Reply Organizers of NY's St. Pat's Day Parade will no longer ban gay groups from marching in annual event (Original post)
Strange Luck Sep 2014 OP
sungauge Sep 2014 #1
starcat Sep 2014 #3
Feldspar Green Sep 2014 #9
sungauge Sep 2014 #12
Feldspar Green Sep 2014 #16
Jimmy Calhoun Oct 2014 #47
opspec2c Oct 2014 #51
starcat Sep 2014 #2
nolens volens Sep 2014 #4
toast-chef Sep 2014 #5
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #20
studentdrake Sep 2014 #25
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #26
studentdrake Sep 2014 #27
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #28
studentdrake Sep 2014 #29
studentdrake Sep 2014 #23
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #24
sabrina Sep 2014 #40
studentdrake Oct 2014 #46
Jimmy Calhoun Oct 2014 #48
nolens volens Sep 2014 #6
galileosghost Sep 2014 #15
sungauge Sep 2014 #7
Feldspar Green Sep 2014 #10
sungauge Sep 2014 #11
Feldspar Green Sep 2014 #13
sungauge Sep 2014 #14
Feldspar Green Sep 2014 #17
sungauge Sep 2014 #18
studentdrake Sep 2014 #37
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #38
studentdrake Sep 2014 #39
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #41
studentdrake Sep 2014 #43
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #44
studentdrake Oct 2014 #45
studentdrake Oct 2014 #55
AZ0 Oct 2014 #50
studentdrake Oct 2014 #53
studentdrake Oct 2014 #56
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #21
MrSlayer666 Sep 2014 #8
TIMETOCHANGE Sep 2014 #19
saspamco Sep 2014 #32
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #22
dogpunch Sep 2014 #30
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #31
dogpunch Sep 2014 #33
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #34
dogpunch Sep 2014 #35
Banshee 3 Actual Sep 2014 #36
Liberty Oct 2014 #49
LaughingGull Sep 2014 #42
DrunkTeddy Oct 2014 #52
studentdrake Oct 2014 #54

Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:01 PM

1. Do gay parades allow conservative floats?

I.e. NRA, Pro Life etc? Serious question.

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Response to sungauge (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:10 PM

3. Excellent question. n/t

 

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Response to sungauge (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:52 PM

9. You've never heard of Log Cabin Republicans?

Beside that there are plenty of very conservative and libertarian minded LGBT folks around.

I seriously doubt that an NRA float would be disallowed at a pride parade.

And 'pro-life' is kind of an outlier in the L/G communities.

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Response to Feldspar Green (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:59 PM

12. I'm talking real conservatives not pseudo LCR

A pro life float from say Life Site or a strong bible fundamentalist based church..

I bet these would not be allowed.

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Response to sungauge (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:04 PM

16. Pseudo conservatives!

But yeah, you're probably right about the other stuff.

But the difference is that 'gays' don't have much political/legislative power against the Irish and the Catholic church in general.

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Response to sungauge (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 11:00 PM

47. Wouldn't "real conservatives" (in your wording) tend to be anti-gay as well?

So why would they want to march in a gay parade to begin with?

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Response to sungauge (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:07 AM

51. They might, but really, who wants to ride behind a float full of guys in assless chaps?

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:10 PM

2. So let's take something that was about Irish heritage

 

and make it about gays.

ridiculous

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Response to starcat (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:14 PM

4. Maybe it's only gay Irish people that are being allowed in.

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Response to starcat (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:15 PM

5. Yeah, because everybody knows that

every participant in the parade is 100% Irish. And that there are no lgbt that are of Irish descent.

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Response to toast-chef (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:49 PM

20. "All Animals are equal, some are more equal than others"- George Orwell

The NYC St. Patricks day parade host is the AOH Ancient Order of Hibernians. The Hibernians do not march as Heterosexuals, Bisexuals, Transexuals, Asexuals, Homosexuals, etc. but by County Associations (Wicklow, Munster, etc.), So now we have a Special Group with special rules just for them.

They could have always marched in the county associations and they knew that, but demanded the right to show everyone what their Sexual Orientation was.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:52 AM

25. i don't know about you, but my sexual identity/orientation is a big factor in how i identify myself.

that's why i want the general public to acknowledge and accept me as i am.

btw a straight white male.

im assuming glbt people feel the same as i do.

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Response to studentdrake (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:09 AM

26. There's no "Straight" Contingent marching as a bloc in the parade

There are County associations, and Hibernian chapters. Or hadn't you noticed this parade is a religious parade for a saint? The First NYC St. Patricks day parades since the revolution had to be escorted by the Militia to protect them from Protestants who also threatened to burn down St. Patricks cathedral.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:29 AM

27. i think we misunderstood eachother

non glbt people aren't being asked to denounce their sexual orientation in order to march.

glbt people are.

that's the difference.

nobody should be forced to denounce who they are or how the identify themselves.

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Response to studentdrake (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:32 AM

28. Again No other Sexuality is marching as a separate entity and crowing about it

Homosexuals want to. Homsexuals have always been able to march in their county associations but they now want special consideration above everyone else.

Thats the difference

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 08:38 AM

29. going to have to agree to disagree on this one

have a good night friend, hope to see you around.

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Response to starcat (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:35 AM

23. Irish heritage?

maybe in Ireland, but in the states its just an excuse to get shitfaced and bump uglies with the first person you meet.

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Response to studentdrake (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 07:39 AM

24. Last I looked no ones bumping uglies in the parade in NYC

And NYPD sees you drinking at the parade you will be arrested from what I've seen

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Response to starcat (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:37 PM

40. Irish heritage includes many Gays, should one group of people be excluded

from that heritage, and if so, WHY?

Ever heard of a great Abbey Actor called Micheal Mac Liammoir eg?

Thankfully the world is moving away from the homophobia that plagued it for so long. Ireland being no exception.

Change is always resisted, in the beginning. But when a great wrong has been done to any group of people, that change will happen eventually. In Ireland now, eg, the facts that many great Irish people were gay are finally allowed to be told and rightfully so.

I don't understand the attitude that any group of people should be marginalized in any civilized society.

An example of some of the work being done to set the historical record straight:

http://upstartpublishing.com/826/linen-hall-library-talk-by-dr-mark-phelan-queer-up-north-f-j-bigger-roger-casement-and-irish-historiogrpahy%E2%80%8F

He illustrated this point by showing how writers and thinkers like Devine (who ran the Abbey Theatre)
at the beginning of the 20th century looked at figures like Casement in a wholly negative light and developed the point by showing how gay figures in Irish theatre such as Hilton

Edwards and Michael Mac Liamor were simply not referred to as being gay in the various traditional accounts of their lives. He then showed how this had now changed and that recent historical accounts now recognized their gay identity .

Dr Phelan then made a similar observation about the innovation and change that figures like Cathal Brugha, Casement and J F Bigger had brought to the de-colonization process in Ireland.

Irish heroes deserve to have the historical record presented acurately and thankfully that is finally happening.

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Response to sabrina (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:34 AM

46. this was all new to me

thanks for sharing.

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Response to sabrina (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 11:05 PM

48. +2

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:20 PM

6. Too bad

the solution wasn't to ban parades that block traffic and waste time and energy on nonsensical "pride" or "heritage" parades.

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Response to nolens volens (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:02 PM

15. here here

 

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:29 PM

7. How long before

the floats go from this:


to this:

I say 2 years

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Response to sungauge (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:55 PM

10. Ha! You'd find both of those floats at any pride parade.

And not just now, but from waaay back.

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Response to Feldspar Green (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:57 PM

11. I'm not talking about a pride parade but the St. Patricks parade

Big difference.

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Response to sungauge (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:00 PM

13. Did you miss the "Chicago Pride" on the side of the CBS2 float?

"Pride" = "gay", btw.

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Response to Feldspar Green (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:02 PM

14. I know that...You are missing my point

How long before the floats in the St. Patty' parade turn from fairly conservative appearing(as in the first photo) to people boinking on them?

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Response to sungauge (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:09 PM

17. Aahh! The gay boinking menace!

Seriously though, I am no fan of floats like the one your second pic.

In fact I'm not a fan of parades.

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Response to Feldspar Green (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:37 PM

18. I have zero care that gays are now allowed in this parade

Just hope there is not a double standard by gays against conservatives which I suspect there is.

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Response to sungauge (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:11 PM

37. lgbt is not a political group

its a group of lesbians, gays, bisexual's, and transgender fighting for equality. very similar to the nra and the aclu.

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Response to studentdrake (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:17 PM

38. And NRA and ACLU chapters don't march in the NYC parade. Members may be there but again

Not in their own special protected bloc of marchers

Again Note who gets their very own special treatment while screaming they want the same rights as everyone else? then get into your Hibernian county association and march, not attention ho to the world Look at ME! I'm Special....

the Heterosexuals don't do it, why then the Homosexuals get special passes?

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:32 PM

39. would they be denied?

that's the question?

if the nra had a float to support gun rights, would you deny them the right to march?

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Response to studentdrake (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:37 PM

41. There's no "Floats" in the NYC parade which shows you know nothing of the background

And Yes I would deny them the right to march as a separate entity.

And I am an NRA Member, VFW Life Member

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:01 PM

43. ok

you believe in the purity of st. Patrick's day, which is why the parade should be about him.

do you truly believe that the majority of people agree with you?

besides st. Patrick was a Christian, Christians try to emulate Christ. Christ defended the underdog, and condemned the persecutors. let he without sin cast the first stone.



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Response to studentdrake (Reply #43)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:03 PM

44. Nice try kid

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #44)

Wed Oct 1, 2014, 10:09 AM

45. my bad what do you mean?

im a drunken idiot, so use small words.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #44)

Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:18 AM

55. kid?

how old do you think i am?

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Response to Feldspar Green (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 12:03 AM

50. Just a matter of time and

all parades will look like the San Francisco Fremont St. Fair. No link. Google image it if you dare. Still don't understand why LGBT people want to interject sexual preference into historically heritage & cultural type events and parades.

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Response to AZ0 (Reply #50)

Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:37 AM

53. lgbt want to be accepted like you or i.

meaning they can walk down the street holding hands, kissing, and other types of affection.

without judgement or ridicule.

just like you or i.

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Response to AZ0 (Reply #50)

Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:29 AM

56. you do not understand

they do not want to march as lgbt people, they want to march as themselves.

not being forced to denounce their sexuality.

they want the same acceptance that you and i enjoy.

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Response to sungauge (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:51 PM

21. There are no Floats in the NYC St. Patricks day parade.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 03:36 PM

8. Welcome to the twenty-first century.

Some people have to be dragged, kicking and screaming into the present.

Good for them.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 04:40 PM

19. I second.

 

Gay groups should be accepted. There should always be some discretion for taste for the floats, but they should be allowed to participate.

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Response to TIMETOCHANGE (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:41 PM

32. Well said.

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Response to MrSlayer666 (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 05:55 PM

22. Homosexuals have Always been allowed to march in the NYC parade IN the AOH county associations

They chose not to, demanding their own separate identity marching bloc. AOH always said the Homosexuals could march in their county associations but this groups was demanding special rules for itself.

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #22)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:34 PM

30. you keep repeating your pointless point .

 

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Response to dogpunch (Reply #30)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:40 PM

31. Not pointless at all, they wanted special treatment over all other marchers and have gotten it

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:43 PM

33. Nope you are just a hater, it would appear

 

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Response to dogpunch (Reply #33)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:46 PM

34. If you say so

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Response to Banshee 3 Actual (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:53 PM

35. Seems you've been wrong at least 3800 times.

 

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Response to dogpunch (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:57 PM

36. If you say so

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Response to dogpunch (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 21, 2014, 11:26 PM

49. Nope, he is right.

Why do homosexuals feel the need to make St. Patricks day about them? Simple question.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:01 PM

42. I don't have a problem with gays in anything...

I just don't want to know what kind of sex anyone has.

I also don't care if people into sadism and such want to participate. But I neither need or want them to put in front of my face what kind of sex they want/have.

Parades such as a St. Patrick's parade should be about the theme of the parade. There is no reason whatsoever for any sexual identity to be involved.

Now, if a group is a drag group and they participate as the drag group, I'm fine with that. It's the normal everyday folks who insist on dressing up in buttock-less chaps for a St. Patrick's parade that irritate me.

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Response to Strange Luck (Original post)

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:04 PM

52. I would like to see gay groups forced to march in the parade nt

 

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Response to DrunkTeddy (Reply #52)

Sun Oct 26, 2014, 10:14 AM

54. forced?

what do you mean by that?

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