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Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:00 AM

Rupert Murdoch gets it

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/553734788881076225

Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognize and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible.
Who should be responsible for rooting out Muslim terror? Should I be held responsible? No, I should not. I am a Christian and I don't even know any Muslims. No, it is Muslims themselves who must destroy the ranks of extremism in their midst.

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Reply Rupert Murdoch gets it (Original post)
john262 Jan 2015 OP
exindy Jan 2015 #1
City Kitty Jan 2015 #2
Gunslinger201 Jan 2015 #3
City Kitty Jan 2015 #7
Gunslinger201 Jan 2015 #11
Lira Jan 2015 #22
Gunslinger201 Jan 2015 #23
Lira Jan 2015 #25
Gunslinger201 Jan 2015 #28
Lira Jan 2015 #29
City Kitty Jan 2015 #31
Gunslinger201 Jan 2015 #38
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2015 #40
i verglas Jan 2015 #33
i verglas Jan 2015 #32
City Kitty Jan 2015 #34
i verglas Jan 2015 #35
john262 Jan 2015 #4
Attila Gorilla Jan 2015 #5
john262 Jan 2015 #8
Attila Gorilla Jan 2015 #10
exindy Jan 2015 #6
graham4anything4HC45 Jan 2015 #30
saspamco Jan 2015 #9
City Kitty Jan 2015 #12
john262 Jan 2015 #14
Strange Luck Jan 2015 #16
john262 Jan 2015 #18
Strange Luck Jan 2015 #19
i verglas Jan 2015 #36
shortviking Jan 2015 #20
saspamco Jan 2015 #24
Satan Jan 2015 #13
MoshMasterD Jan 2015 #15
Rephleshed Jan 2015 #43
MoshMasterD Jan 2015 #45
Rephleshed Jan 2015 #48
MoshMasterD Jan 2015 #49
Rephleshed Jan 2015 #50
MoshMasterD Jan 2015 #51
Strange Luck Jan 2015 #17
Badsamm Jan 2015 #21
Slow Slicing Jan 2015 #26
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2015 #27
i verglas Jan 2015 #37
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2015 #39
Jimmy Calhoun Jan 2015 #46
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2015 #41
MoshMasterD Jan 2015 #44
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2015 #42
Jimmy Calhoun Jan 2015 #47
TexMex Jan 2015 #52
Letmypeoplevote Jan 2015 #53

Response to john262 (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:08 AM

1. The jihadists use hate and fear as the envelop to deliver their message

So does Murdoch.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:18 AM

2. Where Were You

when Eric Rudolph was on the run? You should have done more to find him and turn him in. The blood of George Tiller is on your hands, too. You said it yourself: you're a Christian.

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:34 AM

3. Bad analogy

and I don't think Eric Rudolph Killed Tiller (whom SOME called Tiller the Baby Killer)

I myself support a women's right to choose but I bet my reasons are way different than yours

In Fact Tiller's Killer confessed in Court and treated it as an act of Civil Disobedience

Say what you want about him but he feels he saved unborn lives (and that's probably true)

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:53 AM

7. Then You Don't Understand the Whole Concept

of an analogy. The OP blames all Muslims for the actions of a few. So why don't all Christians bear the same kind of responsibility for the actions of a few of their kind? I even gave you a couple examples. Exact same thing.

Exact. Same. Thing.

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:12 PM

11. The Estimates (from Polling) are around 36% of Muslims are Radical

or at least support the radical Worldview

36% of 1.2 (or 1.6) Billion is 432,000,000 Potentially Homocidal idiots (We're gonna need a LOT of CBU-88 Cluster Bombs)

I refuse to live my life worried about offending THIS Idiot



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Response to City Kitty (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:49 PM

22. No. It's. Not. n/t

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Response to Lira (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:57 PM

23. Yes. It. Is.

Sorry if the truth hurts

The World has a problem and its called Islam

When is the World going to say Enough?

Obama never will, Maybe Europe is ready now

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 03:09 PM

25. May I respectfully request

that you reread City Kitty's post. She is saying that holding Muslims responsible for the radical Jihadists is the same thing as holding Christians responsible for every crime committed in the name of Fundamental Christians. I don't agree. Christianity hasn't preached genocide in hundreds of years. I doubt there were many priests or ministers applauding Tiller's murder from the pulpit. Because the so-called peace loving Muslims are not participating in policing their own, they are aiding and abetting the enemy.

I think you and I are on the same page; it's time to give up the meme that it is not all Muslims, but only a few, and get to work cleaning out the vermin.

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Response to Lira (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 07:08 PM

28. It's not all Muslims

But it's still millions upon millions

I personally think it needs to be banned, in Western Civilizations first then Worldwide. They can be Buddhists, Baptists Hindu A.M.E. or Atheist

But Islam will no longer be allowed

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 09:05 PM

29. Well, in a perfect world

all religions would be banned. That is not going to happen anymore than Islam is likely to be banned. And, while it may not be all Muslims, none of them are coming forward to condemn the terrorists. As they used to say if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Damn, I'm old.

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 09:56 PM

31. So Much For

Gunslinger201's belief in freedom of religion, speech, association, etc. Why do you hate the Constitution?

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 04:36 AM

38. I'm pretty sure the founders

Would be willing to exempt any religion that's declared on us

If the Pope were sniping at the people gathered at St. Peter's basilica I'd be fine with a Frag Order putting Vatican City on the approved Targets List


Islam isn't a Religion

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Response to Gunslinger201 (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:44 PM

40. Can we get rid of other religions while we are at it?

In my part of the world, most people consider Mormons to be non-christians and there is some evidence that a decent number of southern voters stayed home rather than vote for a non-christian.

My particular religion has been the subject of attacks for a while.

I urge you to read our constiution and attempt to understand the First Amendment. The establishment clause is an important part of the US Constitution

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Response to Lira (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:41 PM

33. and "the whole concept of analogy"

 

goes zoom again ...

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:39 PM

32. it's kind of hopeless

 

That "the whole concept of an analogy" thing. I've worked on it for several years with our colleagues in/from the gun dungeon. It goes nowhere.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16620867

We explored how relational complexity and featural distraction, as varied in scene analogy problems, affect children's analogical reasoning performance. Results with 3- and 4-year-olds, 6- and 7-year-olds, 9- to 11-year-olds, and 13- and 14-year-olds indicate that when children can identify the critical structural relations in a scene analogy problem, development of their ability to reason analogically interacts with both relational complexity and featural distraction. Error patterns suggest that children are more likely to select a distracting object than to make a relational error for problems that present both possibilities. This tendency decreases with age, and older children make fewer errors overall. The results suggest that changes in analogical reasoning with age depend on the interplay among increases in relational knowledge, the capacity to integrate multiple relations, and inhibitory control over featural distraction.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=3cxBWNyqxagC&pg=PA63&lpg=PA63&dq=reasoning+analogy+development+distracting&source=bl&ots=kMjPj9K8ha&sig=Txg31vTycVvIDFzrL2WyvsnmIps&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OkGzVIvaAcebyATtz4KIDQ&ved=0CGwQ6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=reasoning%20analogy%20development%20distracting&f=false

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Response to i verglas (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:52 PM

34. I Agree - With Those Hopelessly Gone

I'm not trying to convince or sway those who are too far over the line. It's the ones who are on the fence or are in the process of forming their opinions. In any thread, there are far more lurkers than posters - and they are more important in the bigger picture. That is why I keep on keeping on.

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:55 PM

35. oh, no disagreement there!

 

It's just what that analogy thing invariably brings out.

But Rupert Murdoch doesn't have a beard!!!

http://www.projectlearnet.org/tutorials/concrete_vs_abstract_thinking.html

It's certainly a notable phenomenon.

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:35 AM

4. When Eric Rudolf was on the run I was ten years old. I was hardly able

to do anything about it. I was also just a child when Tiller's clinic was first attacked and could not be held responsible for that either. His murder came later of course.

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Response to john262 (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:39 AM

5. If you had been an adult

would you have been responsible for stopping him?

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Response to Attila Gorilla (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:54 AM

8. It's impossible for me to know how I would have reacted at that time if I had been an

adult. If I had been born 30 years earlier who knows how the influences of the day would have affected me? But I was not so the point is moot.

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Response to john262 (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:06 PM

10. You would have watched it on TV and done nothing.

Nothing at all.

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:39 AM

6. Conservatives are too literal

They miss these things but nice try.

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Response to City Kitty (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 09:18 PM

30. +a zillion

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:05 PM

9. Conservatives: Replace "Muslims" with "gun owners" in Murdoch's statement.

Like what you see? No, I didn't think you would.

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Response to saspamco (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:48 PM

12. That's a Very Good Analogy As Well

Just don't expect the Kool-Aid chuggers around here to understand a word of our point.

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Response to saspamco (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:06 PM

14. There are plenty of threads at DI about guns and gun ownership.

But that's not what this OP is about. It seems that when some of the posters here have got nothing then they try to change the subject.

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Response to john262 (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:18 PM

16. The subject is blaming others for what someone else did

Are you responsible for not doing more to stop priests from molesting kids? Are gun owners doing enough to condemn other gun owners who do bad things with their guns? How about - are you doing enough to keep our fundies here in the US from using their religion to harm others? Like denying food and aid to the poor, extending ue benefits, etc? They always seem to use god in their reasoning - which you would think people would complain about, like they would sharia law, but lo and behold when it is their god they act the same.

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Response to Strange Luck (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:23 PM

18. You are continuing to try to change the subject.

Like denying food and aid to the poor, extending ue benefits, etc?
Come on, that's politics, not terrorism. And of course it's your spin on efforts to roll back the welfare state which in the long run will benefit the poor when they are taught that they should not depend on the government dole..

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Response to john262 (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:27 PM

19. I don't think you understand some basic ideas here

The subject is as I stated, supplying other examples of said subject has nothing to do with terrorism/etc because the subject itself is about blaming someone for the actions of others.

It's not about islam, terror, etc - that the flesh you are putting on the skeleton to parade it around.

When others use the same skeleton and put something else on it your are refusing to see the skeleton because you only look skin deep. Both are the same to the wise because both are built from the same core.

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Response to john262 (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 12:00 AM

36. astounding

 

In a thread where the inability to engage in abstract thinking / reasoning by analogy is the subject, we just keep getting demonstrations ...


http://www.projectlearnet.org/tutorials/concrete_vs_abstract_thinking.html

Abstract thinking is a level of thinking about things that is removed from the facts of the “here and now”, and from specific examples of the things or concepts being thought about. Abstract thinkers are able to reflect on events and ideas, and on attributes and relationships separate from the objects that have those attributes or share those relationships. Thus, for example, a concrete thinker can think about this particular dog; a more abstract thinker can think about dogs in general. A concrete thinker can think about this dog on this rug; a more abstract thinker can think about spatial relations, like “on”. A concrete thinker can see that this ball is big; a more abstract thinker can think about size in general. A concrete thinker can count three cookies; a more abstract thinker can think about numbers. A concrete thinker can recognize that John likes Betty; a more abstract thinker can reflect on emotions, like affection.

Another example of concrete thinking in young children is a two or three year old who thinks that as long as he stays out of his bedroom, it will not be bed time. In this case, the abstract concept of time (bedtime) is understood in terms of the more concrete concept of place (bedroom). The abstract idea of bedtime comes to mean the concrete idea of being in my bedroom.

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Response to saspamco (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:20 PM

20. "Like what you see? No, I didn't think you would." But you would, I'm sure.

 

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Response to shortviking (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 03:05 PM

24. Yeah, that's why I posted the comparison. Catch half a clue, why doncha?

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:57 PM

13. Ironic that Uncle Rupert would describe Islam as a "cancer"

When he himself is responsible for one of the worst cancers on Earth, the consolidation and right wing polarization of the media.

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Response to Satan (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:16 PM

15. If George Soros or Saul Alinski said it.....

you be singing a different toon.

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Response to MoshMasterD (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 05:39 PM

43. LOL @ Saul Alinsky... you folks throw that name around and know nothing about him.

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Response to Rephleshed (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:49 AM

45. I see no denial from you.

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Response to MoshMasterD (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 01:34 PM

48. Why would I engage you folks being parodies of yourselves with any seriousness?

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Response to Rephleshed (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 06:43 PM

49. Gee, is it because you know when you are defeated?

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Response to MoshMasterD (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:02 PM

50. Defeated by what? You name dropping folks you know nothing about?

Do you even know anything about the guy in your avatar?

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Response to Rephleshed (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:33 AM

51. Why pick on my avatar?

Met the guy and yes, he has conservative friends too.

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Response to Satan (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:19 PM

17. I wonder how his saudi investors/part owners feel about it all? He sure doesn't mind their money

Heck, thanks to him, they are probably making more money which he believes they are probably using for terror.

Supporting a murdoch company is supporting terror.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:26 PM

21. Did he go on to say we should bring all our troops home from the ME

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 03:09 PM

26. This is just silly.

No one is responsible for anything. Responsibility is just a social convention. If you really hate something, then try to stop it. If you don't really care that much, then try not to worry. Our common social convention here is to at least offer someone money for work we want done but won't/can't do ourselves.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 06:15 PM

27. Really?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 12:04 AM

37. "Am I gonna argue with them?"

 

"You ever tried it?"

I can now snicker and chortle as I make supper.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:40 PM

39. Paris attacks: No, Mr Murdoch. I am not responsible

This is a well done response to Murdoch's stupidity http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/paris-attacks-no-mr-murdoch-i-am-not-responsible-9970235.html

This week, I'm told I haven't apologised enough. Not nearly enough – being a British Muslim, and confining my expressions of disbelief, alarm and anger, to only my circle of friends, colleagues and family – when in Paris, 17 are dead, Europe is in mourning, and the freedoms enshrined in my own profession have been barbarically violated.

Rupert Murdoch, that upstanding pillar of the community, reminded me of my responsibilities in a tweet: "Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognise and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible." Plenty disagreed, though more than a thousand yesterday had "favourited" the comment. He joins the chorus across TV and radio stations, newspapers, and social media: "Muslims need to apologise".

So I must publicly declare myself contrite. Until I do, I am suspect. It is not good enough for me to be flabbergasted in private. I must apologise, as an ordinary Muslim, living an ordinary life in the West....

The fact is, the Kouachi brothers and their accomplice were not unlike McVeigh and Breivik and the IRA. Just as these men were no ordinary Christians, the Kouachis were no ordinary Muslims. Naming these men correctly is essential if we are to be saved from bigotry. Ian McEwan, on his website, calls them psychopaths and that is what they were – psychopaths who hijacked the Islamic faith and grossly misappropriated its messages with twisted fantasies of martyrdom and holy war for their own insane ends. Is the onus on me, and others like me, to apologise for their abominations? It would be ridiculous, if not offensive, to say so.

We know that religion has, though the ages, been hijacked, Christianity never more so than during the crusades of the Middle Ages, and with centuries of European imperialism after that which enlisted missionary Christianity to subjugate, abuse and kill. Muslims have made it perfectly clear that these lunatics are not manifesting the true spirit of Islam, but manipulating it.

For Muslims to apologise is for them to admit that they – we – harboured these men, we invited them to our mosques and listened to their bile and hatred, and perhaps even their planning. How many of us were and are complicit in this? I'm not, and the majority of Britain's 2.8 million Muslims aren't either. After 9/11, I spoke to the brother of a Muslim victim. Who should apologise to him? The policeman shot dead in the line of duty was a Muslim. Who should apologise for Ahmed Merabet's death? Me?
Murdoch is an idiot

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:16 AM

46. +1

"The policeman shot dead in the line of duty was a Muslim. Who should apologise for Ahmed Merabet's death?"

Not to mention the Malian grocery-store employee who may well have saved lives. But no right-winger thus far (to my knowledge) has said a word about either of these men.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:57 PM

41. J.K. Rowling has some fun with Murdoch on Twitter

Murdoch is an idiot

?1421084321

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:48 AM

44. Philanthropy and politics only kills careers.

JK better be careful what she says.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:00 PM

42. Islamaphobes want to ignore Christianity sins

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:29 AM

47. ...

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:56 AM

52. What a crock of shit

 

So all Protestants and Catholics are responsible for Northern Ireland. All are murders by association. Rupert is an fucking idiot.

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Response to john262 (Original post)

Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:33 PM

53. Aziz Ansari Made Rupert Murdoch Apologize & Then Sticks The Landing

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