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Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:32 PM

Court Help Sought After Texas Official's Threats To Investigate Voters Without IDs

There was a hearing today on this issue and one of the attorneys representing the good guys will be at a meeting of a local democratic club tonight. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/texas-back-in-court-over-voter-id-law

More than a month after Texas submitted an agreement to soften its voter ID law that an appeals court called discriminatory, the legal fight around the law continues as its critics accuse Texas of allowing officials to undermine the agreement.

A district judge on Thursday scheduled a hearing later this month on the concerns raised by the private challengers in the lawsuit against the law.

The challengers -- which include voter advocacy groups and civil rights organizations -- filed a motion Wednesday questioning the comments made by Harris County Clerk Stan Stanart to the Houston Press last month.

Stanart said he intends to investigate every voter who claims he or she does not have the required photo ID and signs the court-approved affidavit exempting them from the ID requirement. He said he would check the state's database of people to whom it has issued IDs against the voters who sign the affidavit to see if they are lying about not having the required ID. Stanart said that it's "up to" the county clerk's office "whether anything happens" from the investigation.

"If the media reports are correct, Texas’s public officials are singling out for wholesale criminal investigation the disproportionately African American and Hispanic class of voters who were discriminated against by SB 14," the challengers said in the motion. They said such behavior is "intimidating, unlawful, and contrary to the purpose" of the court-approved agreement.
It will be fun hearing what happened at this hearing

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Reply Court Help Sought After Texas Official's Threats To Investigate Voters Without IDs (Original post)
Letmypeoplevote Sep 2016 OP
I814U2CY Sep 2016 #1
Grumpy Pickle Sep 2016 #2
Letmypeoplevote Sep 2016 #3
Bushmaster330 Sep 2016 #4
DDKick Sep 2016 #5
kevlar Sep 2016 #6
TexMex Sep 2016 #14
kevlar Sep 2016 #15
TexMex Sep 2016 #16
kevlar Sep 2016 #19
Dukota01 Sep 2016 #29
TexMex Sep 2016 #38
Dukota01 Sep 2016 #42
TexMex Sep 2016 #43
Letmypeoplevote Sep 2016 #26
Dukota01 Sep 2016 #30
Letmypeoplevote Sep 2016 #32
Dukota01 Sep 2016 #33
kevlar Sep 2016 #36
Letmypeoplevote Sep 2016 #39
wisbadger Sep 2016 #7
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wisbadger Sep 2016 #12
Letmypeoplevote Sep 2016 #25
wisbadger Sep 2016 #27
kevlar Sep 2016 #17
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kevlar Sep 2016 #37
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kevlar Sep 2016 #41
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Salaam Sep 2016 #18
Valishin Sep 2016 #22
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Salaam Sep 2016 #48
Valishin Sep 2016 #49
btw Sep 2016 #21
FreeWheelBurning Sep 2016 #31
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FreeWheelBurning Sep 2016 #35
Letmypeoplevote Sep 2016 #24
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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:35 PM

1. Obviously private citizens will have to do the checking then.

 

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:40 PM

2. Why are they so paranoid ?..I mean , they are legal voters, right ?

Maybe, maybe not.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:41 PM

3. From my twitter feed

It does not sound like Ken Paxton had any fun today
Lone Star Project ‏@lsptex 57m57 minutes ago
At #VoterID hearing, Judge Ramos scolds @KenPaxtonTX attorneys saying they shouldn't have "changed language agreed to in court order."
It looks like this was a fun hearing
Lone Star Project ‏@lsptex 3h3 hours ago
Hearing before Judge Ramos just ended. Judge tells @KenPaxtonTX attorneys, state's materials "misleading and confusing."

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:42 PM

4. I will agree to no ID to vote

Will you agree for no ID to buy a gun! Seriously! Vote no issues without an ID or walk into a gun store and buy what you want, pay then leave. Can we agree on this common sense issue???

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:58 PM

5. Whats to worry then ?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 06:27 PM

6. That just seems like common sense.

If you claim you don't have an ID and sign an affidavit exempting you from the ID requirement, you should be called on it if in fact the state has issued you an ID.

Silly liberal, so transparent what the left is up to.....





One Day. One ID. One Vote.

Poll tested, voter approved.



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Response to kevlar (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 03:58 PM

14. No Voter ID Required: Founding Father Tested & Approved

 

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Response to TexMex (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 04:04 PM

15. That just sounds silly.

Join us in the present where every other industrialized nation in the world has figured out what the US left cannot.

I'm certain you wouldn't like that same tactic used in other areas, say the 2nd amendment, or the advent of income taxes and the IRS, or the EPA.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 04:06 PM

16. I buy guns cash and carry

 

person to person sales in Texas are that simple

You sound like our activist SCOTUS Justices, wanting to mimic damn foreigners' laws and shit.

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Response to TexMex (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 04:21 PM

19. No sir,

there is nothing in our laws preventing the verification of voters. It is only wise considering the number of people here that are for one reason or another not eligible to vote, and the possibility of fraud of all types.

Do we turn a blind eye to one type of fraud over another or would you prefer we addressed all avenues?

Would not our efforts be better spend insuring that every citizen has the documents they need to function in society?

Or is that problem insurmountable? Would election ink be an option then?

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Response to TexMex (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:41 PM

29. Let use Mexicos voting rules

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Response to Dukota01 (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 04:32 PM

38. You should go to the nation you love

 

I'll stick with the America, the way Washington, Jefferson, Adams and the rest of the real patriots intended 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Don't let that door hit you on the butt Santa Anna 🇲🇽

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Response to TexMex (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 07:56 PM

42. You mean Washington, Jefferson and Adams used voting machines Tex-MEX?

As far as going to the nation I love Tex-MEX, while my wife was born in Mexico, she got here to the US as quickly as she could and we live here about a mile from Mexico.

You'd think someone that is so bigoted towards Mexico would have a harder time using Mex in your name.

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Response to Dukota01 (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:40 AM

43. Biggoted towards Mexico? Hardly

 

Hell my ancestors came to Texas, willingly became Mexican citizens, then Texicans. Later they completed the circle becoming U.S. citizens again. My wife's a New Mexican, her people colonized NM in the same era the Pilgrims landed...

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Response to kevlar (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:34 PM

26. Do you really want to play this game?







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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:42 PM

30. I've got one for you, and it's not even a cartoon

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Response to Dukota01 (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:52 PM

32. That is not how the GOP works

The sole and only purpose of these laws is to suppress the vote

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:59 PM

33. Why do yo insult Mexican voting rules? The Mexican people are able to get IDs to vote

Why can't the poor, poor black Americans? Are they even poorer than the Mexican voters?

Or is it the democrats don't support the Mexican voting rules because they are racist?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:57 PM

36. I'm not playing a game.

Yours is called propaganda.

When you do it right, no one notices.

You have been noticed.

One Day. One ID. One Vote.

Poll tested, Voter Approved.

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Response to kevlar (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 07:12 PM

39. Early voting is starting in several states and voter id laws will not be in effect in other states

I am so happy that the courts are there to protect voting rights from GOP voter suppressors. BTW, your fear of lawyers and the Brennan Center worries me. This cartoon is from the American Bar Association



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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:01 PM

7. And why would it be bad to check them out? I'm starting to think you

Really want voter fraud. If someone says they don't have an id......what's wrong with checking?

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Response to wisbadger (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:37 PM

9. Scott Walker Hawks Voter ID Law Despite Proof That ‘Fraud’ Claims Are Largely Made Up

From your own idiot governor http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scott-walker-voter-id-law-wisconsin_us_57e00629e4b08cb14096e46e?platform=hootsuite

Buried in the cache of documents was an interesting set of emails between Republican strategists seeking to craft a message in the event of an electoral defeat for then-Justice David Prosser, who in 2011 was seeking re-election and was a Walker favorite to hold on to his state Supreme Court seat.

The justice was seen as instrumental to the “Walker agenda,” according to the emails, which also noted that the race for his reelection was a close one.

“Do we need to start messaging ‘widespread reports of election fraud’ so we are positively set up for the recount regardless of the final number? I obviously think we should,” said one of them, a lobbyist and former GOP legislative staffer, to a group of associates.

“Yes. Anything fishy should be highlighted. Stories should be solicited by talk radio hosts,” responded another one, a former assembly speaker. Prosser ultimately held on to his seat after a recount.

This exchange ― which underscores that claims of vote-rigging and fraud are largely manufactured ― is notable because of its timing. About a month later, Walker signed the state’s controversial voter ID law, claiming its aim was to safeguard “the integrity of every single vote.”
Claims of voter fraud are bogus claims used by republicans to try to steal elections

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 10:36 AM

12. You still haven't answered why it would be so wrong to check people that

say they can't get an ID. What is wrong with checking them. Again are you trying to let people cheat?

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Response to wisbadger (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:31 PM

25. The Texas GOP selected forms of id that non-whites were less likely to have

The Texas Department of Public Safety and other agencies issue 160 different forms of id and the Texas GOP selected the forms that whites were more likely to have and which non-whites were less likely to have.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:36 PM

27. Again, what is wrong with checking the people who claim they can't get an ID?

Simple question, unless of course you are in favor of voter fraud.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 04:11 PM

17. Where is "from the idiot governor?"

You trying to pass BS and your own lack of logic as fact again?

Nothing from the idiot Governor there.

But of course, I see what you are saying, these two quoted individuals are indicative of all republicans everywhere 'cause you say so. So it follows that whatever other claims you have manufactured are equally well supported by your opinion and a little illogical extrapolation, they are almost like facts or something.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:34 PM

8. Federal Judge Says Texas Election Officials Need to Follow Voter ID Court Order

Here is a partial ruling on today's hearing http://kut.org/post/federal-judge-says-texas-election-officials-need-follow-voter-id-court-order

A federal judge sided again today with plaintiffs in the long legal battle over Texas' voter ID law.

This time, the U.S. Department of Justice joined the group of Texas voters challenging the state’s law, arguing Texas election officials were misleading voters about court-ordered changes to the law.

According to lawyers in the case, during a hearing for that motion today, U.S. District Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos ordered state officials to do a better job of communicating the changes she ordered several weeks ago.

Chad Dunn, one of the attorneys representing the plaintiffs in the voter ID case, says he doesn’t understand why the state deviated from language both sides had previously agreed upon.

“But, the communications going forward are going to accurately reflect what the court ordered as an interim remedy, and voters are going to have the correct information,” he says.

That means the state will need to make it clear to voters that, if they had trouble getting an ID, they can still vote. That’s if they present a paycheck or utility bill and sign a document saying they had a “reasonable impediment” to obtaining an ID.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:41 AM

10. "I swear, I had a problem getting an ID. Now let me vote."

That means the state will need to make it clear to voters that, if they had trouble getting an ID, they can still vote. That’s if they present a paycheck or utility bill and sign a document saying they had a “reasonable impediment” to obtaining an ID.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #10)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 03:43 PM

13. Court in TX Voter ID Case Grants DOJ Motion on Voter ID Education, Requires Preclearance of Material

This makes me smile http://electionlawblog.org/?p=86690

The plaintiffs in the Texas voter id litigation have been complaining that Texas has not properly alerted voters that for this election they can vote without one of the narrow forms of ID. The court has now issued this order, granting the US motion and denying the private plaintiffs’ motion. Among other things, the order requires Texas to show educational materials to plaintiffs before publicizing for possible objection–a type of preclearance. Wow.

From the order:

ORDERED that the State of Texas shall re-issue its press releases concerning voting to properly reflect the language in the Court’s Order Regarding Agreed Interim Plan for Elections (D.E. 895) in their respective titles or headings;

ORDERED that the State of Texas shall edit the poster to be printed and placed at polling locations to accurately reflect the language in the Court’s Order Regarding Agreed Interim Plan for Elections (D.E. 895);

ORDERED that the State of Texas shall provide to counsel for all Plaintiffs scripts and copy for documents and advertisements that have not yet been published for review and objection prior to publication;

ORDERED that the State of Texas shall edit digital materials on its website page(s) that address voting rights and procedures, including titles or headlines and FAQs to reflect that voters who “do not possess an acceptable form of photo identification and cannot obtain one due to a reasonable impediment” may vote after signing the Reasonable Impediment Declaration;

ORDERED that all materials related to the education of voters, poll workers, and election officials that have not yet been published shall reflect the language of the Court’s prior Order (D.E. 895);

ORDERED that the State of Texas is not required to alter training materials that have already been published except as set out above

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 10:00 AM

20. Your pattern is clear.

Smile at the absurd, be angry or ignore any common sense attempt at reform. Boring.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:24 PM

23. Non-law review types do tend to resent law review types

The fact that you do not see the pattern is amusing to me Voter id laws are nothing but an attempt to steal elections.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 03:04 PM

37. Thanks for your opinion.

I see a patterns in your posts and lack of responses that are highly amusing and quite telling.

Opposition to secure elections can only be to maintain an environment conducive to fraud.

You are not a lawyer, this is not a court.


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Response to kevlar (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 07:16 PM

40. Facts and lawyers really scare you

Your posts would improve if you read up on the issues and used facts in these discussions. I get to cite court rulings that are based on facts and evidence. For example the federal court in Texas just put the State of Texas under court review for all advertising and communications to voters concerning voter id
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/21/texas_voting_rights_state_put_under_court_supervision_for_flouting_id_ruling.html?sid=5388f1c6dd52b8e4110003de&wpsrc=newsletter_slatest

In response, Ramos took the remarkable step on Tuesday of putting Texas under court supervision. The state is now required to “re-issue its press releases” and edit its educational materials to correctly reflect the court’s ruling, using language issued by the court itself. Ramos also required officials to provide the Justice Department and voting rights plaintiffs with “scripts and copy for documents and advertisements that have not yet been published for review and objection prior to publication.” As Cristian Farias notes at the Huffington Post, this order suggests that these parties will be able to object to duplicitous materials before they are distributed to voters. Texas, it seems, has so thoroughly flouted the court’s initial ruling that Ramos no longer trusts officials to represent the current state of the law correctly.
The court based its ruling on facts and evidence. In the real world facts and evidence are important

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 07:23 PM

41. Anyone can cite court rulings.

Did you think you were special?

But a link to someones writings on Slate and a cut & paste from it isn't really citing a ruling is it?

You also cite leftist blogs and opinion pieces pretending they are factual.

When you have a discussion here you can be considered as in the real world.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 23, 2016, 09:55 AM

46. You are hardly a law-review type.

Don't claim to be anything other than what you are, a merger and acquisitions lawyer who puts hard working folks out of work. Own it, counselor.

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Response to MeatSandwich (Reply #46)

Fri Sep 23, 2016, 04:27 PM

47. Abbott and Paxton File Irresponsible Voter ID Appeal

What does a non-law review type think of this latest action by the state of Texas http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=824cb3251abbeba9dfdf52496&id=c1e730d9a9&e=88f3e58ec1

Earlier today Attorney General Ken Paxton filed a petition with the United States Supreme Court to have Texas’ discriminatory voter ID law reinstated. In response, Matt Angle, Lone Star Project Director, released the following statement:

“Today Ken Paxton and Greg Abbott threw another bale of taxpayer money in the dumpster and set it on fire.

“It is unlikely that the Supreme Court will even take up Paxton and Abbott’s appeal. Today’s announcement is nothing more than a political move designed to provide cover for Texas Republican’s utter failure to defend their discriminatory voter ID law.

“The voter ID appeal is irresponsible, a waste of taxpayer money, and yet another example of Paxton and Abbott putting politics ahead of common sense and fiscal responsibility.”
The 5th Circuit ruling was issued on July 20 and Texas waited until today to file and is not even asking for interim relief. How do you think this appeal will turn out?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:38 AM

11. Chad Dunn spoke to a local democratic club last night

The Texas GOP did not have a fun time yesterday in federal court. The judge thought that the purpose of the 5th Circuit ruling was to make it easier to vote and the Texas AG disagreed. Texas does not want to make it easy for people to vote and will fight to keep people from voting

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 04:14 PM

18. Texas still engaging in illegal discriminatory conduct to depress the non-white vote?

Yes, it is. The GOP can't win nationally with their message so the GOP must try to prevent non-whites from voting.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 11:17 AM

22. How exactly are they

doing that?

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Response to Valishin (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 22, 2016, 03:12 PM

44. Been covered a lot, even here.

Google can be your teacher.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 22, 2016, 10:35 PM

45. So you

don't have any examples?

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Response to Valishin (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 23, 2016, 04:44 PM

48. No, there are so many examples, even new ones today,

that if you really are unfamiliar with the topic you can quickly educate yourself.

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Response to Salaam (Reply #48)

Fri Sep 23, 2016, 04:49 PM

49. Since you made

the claim then you can provide the supporting evidence. You may very well be right, we can't determine if your statement fits the facts until the facts and reviewed to ensure they are accurate and claim what you state they claim.

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 10:20 AM

21. Texas GOP, so desperate they cannot win if it were left upto the will of the people

 

Last edited Wed Sep 21, 2016, 10:57 AM - Edit history (1)

...so they must employ multiple other voter suppression tactics that is designed to suppress Dem voters.

And every Rep thinks this is Democracy.

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Response to FreeWheelBurning (Reply #31)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:01 PM

34. yup

 

from your link

•63% of Americans support automatic voter registration
•Democrats (85%) most likely to favor early voting
•Republicans overwhelmingly support voter ID laws (95%)

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Response to btw (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:30 PM

35. What percentage of Democrats favor voter ID laws?

Why did you leave that out?

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:29 PM

24. Texas defied a court’s voting rights order, and the court’s not happy

Texas was placed under a limited form of pre-clearance in that all Texas ads and press releases on voter id now have to be approved by the DOJ and the plaintiff attorneys https://thinkprogress.org/texas-defied-a-courts-voting-rights-order-and-the-court-s-not-happy-f9e6427dbb42#.1fb9qtm15

On Tuesday, Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos, the judge overseeing this case, weighed in on Texas’ defiance of the court order. And, if the order she issued on Tuesday is any indication, she’s pissed.

For one thing, as the Huffington Post’s Cristian Farias notes on Twitter, Judge Ramos’ Tuesday order is stronger than a proposed order drafted by some of the plaintiffs in this case. The proposed order would have largely clarified that the court’s original order meant what it said. Judge Ramos’ Tuesday, order, by contrast, requires Texas to take several specific actions. It also subjects Texas to a kind of federal supervision similar to the oversight it faced before conservatives on the Supreme Court gutted a key provision of the Voting Rights Act.

Among other things, the Tuesday order requires Texas to “re-issue its press releases concerning voting to properly reflect the language in the Court’s Order,” to “edit the poster to be printed and placed at polling locations to accurately reflect the language in the Court’s Order,” and to “edit digital materials on its website page(s) that address voting rights and procedures, including titles or headlines and FAQs” to bring them into compliance with the original court order.

Significantly, the Tuesday order also provides that “the State of Texas shall provide to counsel for all Plaintiffs scripts and copy for documents and advertisements that have not yet been published for review and objection prior to publication.” As a practical matter, this gives the Justice Department (as well as the private plaintiffs in this case) the power to read over and object to new elections related materials before those materials are published.
On January 22, 2017, this same judge will consider whether Texas intentionally discriminated in the adoption of this voter suppression law. The 4th Circuit opinion will help this determination. The state of Texas is digging a big hole with these voter suppression tactics

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 01:38 PM

28. Let's use Mexicos voting rules

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Response to Letmypeoplevote (Original post)

Mon Sep 26, 2016, 05:52 PM

50. Yeah

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